Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

Oguzhanoz wrote:
Can anyone write down the ammunition that Russian air force used in Syria so far ?

Oguzhanoz wrote:Well,please don't be fanboys.If you keep tell asslovers etc, i will just remind you that we shot your plane down and you just cried.
Please make logical comments.
Oh they shot our plane down,we won't sunbath on hot beach this year.
This doesn't work man.

Well we are just curious people that write stories about the intel we find.
Yea i would wait for an air strike.So aggrasive comment.Maybe you may taste some new weapons in ukrain don't you Wink
I really don't understand your point of view.I really have no position,i don't support anyone but telling my ideas according to intels we have so far.
Can anyone write down the ammunition that Russian air force used in Syria so far ? Let's see the war crimes.I don't support head cutters but as you know " you should not throw stones to other houses' windows if your home is made of glass".

Oguzhanoz wrote:Well we are just  curious people that write stories about the intel we find.
Yea i would wait for an air strike.So aggrasive comment.Maybe you may taste some new weapons in ukrain don't you
I really don't understand your point of view.I really have no position,i don't support anyone but telling my ideas according to intels we have so far.
Can anyone write down the ammunition that Russian air force used in Syria so far ? Let's see the war crimes.I don't support head cutters but as you know " you should not throw stones to other houses' windows if your home is made of glass".

Militarov wrote:

Acheron wrote:

Militarov wrote:[i]"Russian Su-24M communications equipment blamed for shootdown

We know that's BS because Hmeymim airbase and the second Su-24 did not register any warnings on the agreed-upon frequency. What is the chance that 3 out of 3 receivers just malfunctioned at the same time?
The Russian tracking data shows that this was clearly an ambush on Syrian territory. Also, the turks refused to release detailed data of the intercept + warning message to the Russians and denied the validity of the purported warning message leaked online. Is it me, or is something fishy?

No, no, check the rest of the post. It seems R-862 model that SU24M had was VHF only.

Acheron wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Acheron wrote:

Militarov wrote:[i]"Russian Su-24M communications equipment blamed for shootdown

We know that's BS because Hmeymim airbase and the second Su-24 did not register any warnings on the agreed-upon frequency. What is the chance that 3 out of 3 receivers just malfunctioned at the same time?
The Russian tracking data shows that this was clearly an ambush on Syrian territory. Also, the turks refused to release detailed data of the intercept + warning message to the Russians and denied the validity of the purported warning message leaked online. Is it me, or is something fishy?

No, no, check the rest of the post. It seems R-862 model that SU24M had was VHF only.

Yes, I did read the article. I find it hard to believe that after the first big commotion a month or so ago when the Russian plane first violated Turkish airspace, and after apparently agreeing to use a certain frequency in the future, something as stupid as this could actually happen. This would be as stupid as two presidents sharing telephone numbers in case of an international crisis, and then finding out that the phone number is wrong just as a call is to be made in order to prevent an international incident. Does that sound feasible to you? It sounds too comical to me.
Let's not blindly trust Jane's just yet. I'd like to hear some corroborating evidence from Russian aviation specialists and/or MoD officials on the ground in Syria.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Mostly accept,sometimes death.
Well i am mocking that guy.He always reply me with a fanboy mouth.
how did you understand that i support erdogan and jihadists You really comment about things you don't even know the word meaning.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Ok it is my turn,but no fanboying please ^^
1. so i am wrong,i just told the knowledge we have so far.But one was inside of the airspace.Maybe Airforce planned the shoot down one of the planes and waited for it to enter the airspace.
2.Yea Turkish side protested,because Turkmens there is what we care at first place.
For the other numbers : It is politics.Maybe this is what planned.Making Russia to enter a war that it can never win.We know that in syria,now or later,rebels will win.Because it is on enormous numbers today.If Russia and iran goes,Esad can not hold one week.Nobody can hold a war far away.Russia hold sivastopol which is a big naval base and nobody could do anything about it.I think politics can not hold this much.

Yea turkmens and nusra is in close relationship.Because they both fight against Esad and Pyd.Nobody likes Nusra,actually we don't even know them and we only care turkmens just because they are Turks and fighting against Esad.Actually the relation between Syria and Turkey was never good.Syria always supported Pkk and we were close to war at the end of 90s.

Everybody in here talks about Erdogan,Erdogan.Just because they only know it,but it is only one thing in Turkey.Clearly he is not a Putin for us.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Lets say all of russia in in war with moscow.Do you think moscow wins that war ? Even though it wins on field,it becomes enemy with its people.That i count a lose.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Lets say all of russia in in war with moscow.Do you think moscow wins that war ? Even though it wins on field,it becomes enemy with its people.That i count a lose.

arpakola wrote:

Oguzhanoz wrote:Well,please don't be fanboys.If you keep tell asslovers etc, i will just remind you that we shot your plane down and you just cried.
Please make logical comments.
Oh they shot our plane down,we won't sunbath on hot beach this year.
This doesn't work man.

SturmGuard wrote:It's nice this thread finally reached its actual purpose, the comedy relief. Well done, some genuine talent here.

PapaDragon wrote:

Agreed, but mods should rename this thing anyway....

Rodinazombie wrote:

Acheron wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Acheron wrote:

Militarov wrote:[i]"Russian Su-24M communications equipment blamed for shootdown

We know that's BS because Hmeymim airbase and the second Su-24 did not register any warnings on the agreed-upon frequency. What is the chance that 3 out of 3 receivers just malfunctioned at the same time?
The Russian tracking data shows that this was clearly an ambush on Syrian territory. Also, the turks refused to release detailed data of the intercept + warning message to the Russians and denied the validity of the purported warning message leaked online. Is it me, or is something fishy?

No, no, check the rest of the post. It seems R-862 model that SU24M had was VHF only.

Yes, I did read the article. I find it hard to believe that after the first big commotion a month or so ago when the Russian plane first violated Turkish airspace, and after apparently agreeing to use a certain frequency in the future, something as stupid as this could actually happen. This would be as stupid as two presidents sharing telephone numbers in case of an international crisis, and then finding out that the phone number is wrong just as a call is to be made in order to prevent an international incident. Does that sound feasible to you? It sounds too comical to me.
Let's not blindly trust Jane's just yet. I'd like to hear some corroborating evidence from Russian aviation specialists and/or MoD officials on the ground in Syria.

And the headline just would be 'russian equipment at fault for shootdown' wouldnt it? Nothing to do with the idiots who fired the missile then at a plane that was no threat to you or your country that flew about seven seconds over your territory?

Even if, even if janes were correct, it doesnt make that the reason for the shootdown, it doesnt explain away the blatant ambush or the fact that the turkish plane encroached into syrian airspace and shot the plane down in syria. I smell someone trying to deflect here.

Militarov wrote:

Serbian Red Star fans during match with Real raised Russian flag and transparent with the name in honor of Russian pilot.