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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:44 am

    Poro is trying to add another reason for Minsk failure in the future, not meeting a timetable.

    President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has underlined a necessity to clarify a concrete timeframe for implementation of the clauses of Minsk Agreements.

    "We stress that all clauses of the Minsk Agreements must be fulfilled, and due to Russia's failure to perform its part of commitments, we firmly set an issue for 2016 to link all the steps envisaged by the Minsk Agreements to the certain date," Poroshenko told the journalists in Ternopil on Monday.

    According to the president, all international talks between 'Normandy Four leaders' and in the frames of Trilateral Contact Group will be focused on this issue.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/316543.html
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:53 am

    Then Poro loses his mind again. Where is Ukraine going to find billions of cubic meters of gas, they are currently burning about 110 million cubic meters a day, if not from Russia? Only 'energy independent' now because they have 13 billion cubic meters of Russian gas in storage.

    Ukraine is energy independent, can do without Russian gas - Poroshenko

    All international financial institutions are expecting positive changes in the Ukrainian economy, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has stated. "Both the IMF and the World Bank, the EBRD and other international financial institutions clearly state they are expecting positive changes for the better in 2016," the president said during his visit to Ternopil.

    He noted that Ukraine has adequately overcome the challenges it faced in 2014-2015. "These challenges could lead to default, there was the threat of bankruptcy of the banking system, and we did not allow a default," the head of state said.

    In addition, he said the authorities are taking steps to improve the situation in public procurement, ensuring the energy independence of the country.

    "Of course, in the conditions when Russia decided to declare an embargo on a significant part of Ukrainian goods... we demonstrated that we are able to defend ourselves. Today we are energy independent, because when Russia tried to block gas supplies, we said we would dispense without your gas," Poroshenko said.

    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/316489.html

    Update today on gas stocks/use http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/316457.html
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jan 12, 2016 3:43 am

    Some brainless dudes in Ukraina once said that EU gas is cheaper than Russian gas... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

    Well, if EU really has some gas of their own ... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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    http://nashpoz.ru/blog/43177185097/Mnenie:-pochemu-Rossiya-spasayet-Siriyu,-a-ne-Ukrayinu?utm_campaign=transit&utm_source=main&utm_medium=page_0&domain=mirtesen.ru&paid=1&pad=1&image=20834992406

    Basically the article said: Syrian elities, goverment and population have been tried their best to save themselves and to fight against White House's beasts. Meanwhile, Ukrainian counterparts surrendered from the first days.

    That's why Putin actively helps Assad to fight the thugs and terrorists, while he leaves Ukraina alone and let them taste the full consequences of "democracy".
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:45 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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    Shocked


    higurashihougi,

    Did you draw it yourself?
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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:01 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

    Shocked


    higurashihougi,

    Did you draw it yourself?

    No cry cry

    I can only draw with pencils and color pencils/crayon cry cry
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:39 am

    Russia is not renewing the electricity supply contract that expired end 2015 as Ukraine stopped supplying Crimea. In effect Russia input electricity into Ukraine much of which was then output to Crimea. Yats said 'no problem we have upped coal stocks so can make our own'. Much of that coal coming from Donbas. They recon they can stand 2 weeks of -15 before they get serious issues if those supplies were disrupted for any reason.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:26 pm

    Don't think this lady has read and understood the Agreement. Or if she has she is ignoring key parts. Still that's the Kiev line until someone forces adherence on them.

    Kyiv insists on the complete fulfillment of the Minsk agreements by all sides and is ready to search for compromises in the release of detained Ukrainian citizens, Ukrainian representative to the humanitarian subgroup of the Trilateral Contact Group for Ukraine Iryna Gerashchenko has said.

    "Minsk is today. No matter who represents Moscow, it is most important to us how we represent Ukraine. The reinforcement of the Russian mission only unites our small delegation and our position remains clear and unwavering: the Minsk agreements must be fulfilled, including by Russia and the militants it controls," Gerashchenko wrote on Facebook on Wednesday morning.

    There must be no Russian troops in Donbas, and Ukraine must get control over the border, Gerashchenko said. She also said that the Donbas elections must be held "only under Ukrainian laws, with the OSCE monitoring, and after the disarming." According to Gerashchenko, the amnesty was possible only after the reopening of Ukrainian courts in the territories which were currently beyond Kyiv's control, and the Verkhovna Rada would play the key role in a decision on the amnesty bill. "Minsk is only a debate platform," Gerashchenko said. "Besides, there are grave crimes which do not fall under the amnesty."

    Speaking of the humanitarian aspect, she said that the Ukrainian side was ready to search for compromises for the sake of the release of Ukrainians and insisted on unhampered access of humanitarian missions to Donbas. "The ceasefire regime must be fully honored. Every violation must be recorded by the OSCE SMM in a determined and clear manner. And this will require the mission's access to all territories, up to the border, and the precise fulfillment of its tasks rather than 'monitoring' of cities in the rear. This is our position," Gerashchenko said in conclusion.

    The Trilateral Contact Group is planned to have the first meeting of 2016 in Minsk on Wednesday, January 13.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/316952.html
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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:40 pm

    Interfax wrote:Kyiv insists on the complete fulfillment of the Minsk agreements by all sides and is ready to search for compromises in the release of detained Ukrainian citizens, Ukrainian representative to the humanitarian subgroup of the Trilateral Contact Group for Ukraine Iryna Gerashchenko has said.

    A prostitute is trying to say something about protecting virginity.
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    Post  Neutrality Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:50 pm

    French volunteers in Donbass. The guy in the suit (who seems to be the head of the delegation) says that France is proud of these guy's valor and that everyone should know them.

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    Post  franco Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:56 pm

    Seems that the Good people of "Zorya" - "Mashproekt" have spent the $100,000,000 they got in prepayment for the turbine engines for the 11356 frigates and feel the gratefulness of their US and EU bosses is not enough. They need contracts or hand outs.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1676811.html
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:20 am

    franco wrote:Seems that the Good people of "Zorya" - "Mashproekt" have spent the $100,000,000 they got in prepayment for the turbine engines for the 11356 frigates and feel the gratefulness of their US and EU bosses is not enough. They need contracts or hand outs.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1676811.html

    Yandex translate

    Ukrainian Internet-resource "My City" (Nikolaev) published the article "Nikolaev "Zorya"-"Mashproekt" has dealt a devastating blow to Russian military shipbuilding", which tells the known facts about what the Russian military shipbuilders were in a critical dependence on the Nikolaev scientific-production complex gas turbine construction "Zorya" — "mashproyekt": this is one of three world monopolist in the production of ship gas turbine engines primarily for military vehicles. The same resource cites statements by 2015, Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin about the fact that despite the payment of the Ukrainian party of 100 million. for turbines for the construction of frigates, they have not been received, which adversely affects the pace of construction of frigates.

    However, the most interesting in the material is another message. According to the resource, the people's Deputy from the Nikolaev area in the Verkhovna Rada Taras Kremin considers that today "Zorya"-"mashproyekt" needs support, both at the state and local level, because "blow of Russian military shipbuilding." Is the quotation:

    "One of the best world monopoly on gas turbine units for marine engines "Zorya"-"mashproyekt", came out on the path of diversification, is blow to the Russian military shipbuilding. It is known that the equipment manufactured by our countrymen, designed by the famous series of both Soviet and modern warships of the Russian Navy: patrol ships, frigates, future multi-purpose destroyers. It is very important to support the staff of the enterprise today, not only nationally, but also at the local level. Our "dawn-mashproyekt" — the guarantor of prosperity and stability," writes on his page in Facebook Taras Kremin.

    Thus, implicitly recognized that the refusal to cooperate with Russia affected the Nikolaev enterprise is not the best way, and this requires government support. Recall that in recognition of the leadership of Ukraine, up to 70% of products were exported to Russia (including the orders of OJSC "Gazprom").
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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:50 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:Seems that the Good people of "Zorya" - "Mashproekt" have spent the $100,000,000 they got in prepayment for the turbine engines for the 11356 frigates and feel the gratefulness of their US and EU bosses is not enough. They need contracts or hand outs.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1676811.html

    Yandex translate

    Ukrainian Internet-resource "My City" (Nikolaev) published the article "Nikolaev "Zorya"-"Mashproekt" has dealt a devastating blow to Russian military shipbuilding", which tells the known facts about what the Russian military shipbuilders were in a critical dependence on the Nikolaev scientific-production complex gas turbine construction "Zorya" — "mashproyekt": this is one of three world monopolist in the production of ship gas turbine engines primarily for military vehicles. The same resource cites statements by 2015, Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin about the fact that despite the payment of the Ukrainian party of 100 million. for turbines for the construction of frigates, they have not been received, which adversely affects the pace of construction of frigates.

    However, the most interesting in the material is another message. According to the resource, the people's Deputy from the Nikolaev area in the Verkhovna Rada Taras Kremin considers that today "Zorya"-"mashproyekt" needs support, both at the state and local level, because "blow of Russian military shipbuilding." Is the quotation:

    "One of the best world monopoly on gas turbine units for marine engines "Zorya"-"mashproyekt", came out on the path of diversification, is blow to the Russian military shipbuilding. It is known that the equipment manufactured by our countrymen, designed by the famous series of both Soviet and modern warships of the Russian Navy: patrol ships, frigates, future multi-purpose destroyers. It is very important to support the staff of the enterprise today, not only nationally, but also at the local level. Our "dawn-mashproyekt" — the guarantor of prosperity and stability," writes on his page in Facebook Taras Kremin.

    Thus, implicitly recognized that the refusal to cooperate with Russia affected the Nikolaev enterprise is not the best way, and this requires government support. Recall that in recognition of the leadership of Ukraine, up to 70% of products were exported to Russia (including the orders of OJSC "Gazprom").

    I see these fucktards are still masturbating about blows to Russia. No, fuckwit Kremin, it is your Banderastan that has gotten the blow, self-inflicted. Russia just got the
    incentive to make these parts by itself and it is fully capable of doing this.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:02 am

    kvs wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:Seems that the Good people of "Zorya" - "Mashproekt" have spent the $100,000,000 they got in prepayment for the turbine engines for the 11356 frigates and feel the gratefulness of their US and EU bosses is not enough. They need contracts or hand outs.

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1676811.html

    Yandex translate

    Ukrainian Internet-resource "My City" (Nikolaev) published the article "Nikolaev "Zorya"-"Mashproekt" has dealt a devastating blow to Russian military shipbuilding", which tells the known facts about what the Russian military shipbuilders were in a critical dependence on the Nikolaev scientific-production complex gas turbine construction "Zorya" — "mashproyekt": this is one of three world monopolist in the production of ship gas turbine engines primarily for military vehicles. The same resource cites statements by 2015, Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin about the fact that despite the payment of the Ukrainian party of 100 million. for turbines for the construction of frigates, they have not been received, which adversely affects the pace of construction of frigates.

    However, the most interesting in the material is another message. According to the resource, the people's Deputy from the Nikolaev area in the Verkhovna Rada Taras Kremin considers that today "Zorya"-"mashproyekt" needs support, both at the state and local level, because "blow of Russian military shipbuilding." Is the quotation:

    "One of the best world monopoly on gas turbine units for marine engines "Zorya"-"mashproyekt", came out on the path of diversification, is blow to the Russian military shipbuilding. It is known that the equipment manufactured by our countrymen, designed by the famous series of both Soviet and modern warships of the Russian Navy: patrol ships, frigates, future multi-purpose destroyers. It is very important to support the staff of the enterprise today, not only nationally, but also at the local level. Our "dawn-mashproyekt" — the guarantor of prosperity and stability," writes on his page in Facebook Taras Kremin.

    Thus, implicitly recognized that the refusal to cooperate with Russia affected the Nikolaev enterprise is not the best way, and this requires government support. Recall that in recognition of the leadership of Ukraine, up to 70% of products were exported to Russia (including the orders of OJSC "Gazprom").

    I see these fucktards are still masturbating about blows to Russia.  No, fuckwit Kremin, it is your Banderastan that has gotten the blow, self-inflicted.   Russia just got the
    incentive to make these parts by itself and it is fully capable of doing this.

    I was seeing pictures and documents posted on comments sections in sdelanounas of Russian made (no imported parts) of engines for ships of various types. I wish I saved the posts. But yeah, they shot themselves in the foot. So what if it takes a year more now to make them? As long as it is Russian, the Ukrainians just removed themselves from the market.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:09 am

    New attempt to block major highway made in western Ukraine World January 13, 21:12 UTC+3 The police report did not mention who the protesters are

    More:
    http://tass.ru/en/world/849431

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    Post  wilhelm Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:22 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Ukrainian Internet-resource "My City" (Nikolaev) published the article "Nikolaev "Zorya"-"Mashproekt" has dealt a devastating blow to Russian military shipbuilding", which tells the known facts about what the Russian military shipbuilders were in a critical dependence on the Nikolaev scientific-production complex gas turbine construction "Zorya" — "mashproyekt": this is one of three world monopolist in the production of ship gas turbine engines primarily for military vehicles. The same resource cites statements by 2015, Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin about the fact that despite the payment of the Ukrainian party of 100 million. for turbines for the construction of frigates, they have not been received, which adversely affects the pace of construction of frigates.

    However, the most interesting in the material is another message. According to the resource, the people's Deputy from the Nikolaev area in the Verkhovna Rada Taras Kremin considers that today "Zorya"-"mashproyekt" needs support, both at the state and local level, because "blow of Russian military shipbuilding." Is the quotation:

    "One of the best world monopoly on gas turbine units for marine engines "Zorya"-"mashproyekt", came out on the path of diversification, is blow to the Russian military shipbuilding. It is known that the equipment manufactured by our countrymen, designed by the famous series of both Soviet and modern warships of the Russian Navy: patrol ships, frigates, future multi-purpose destroyers. It is very important to support the staff of the enterprise today, not only nationally, but also at the local level. Our "dawn-mashproyekt" — the guarantor of prosperity and stability," writes on his page in Facebook Taras Kremin.

    I've seen it all now.
    A company gloating about losing 70% of their market to score political points.
    Amazing.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:12 pm

    wilhelm wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Ukrainian Internet-resource "My City" (Nikolaev) published the article "Nikolaev "Zorya"-"Mashproekt" has dealt a devastating blow to Russian military shipbuilding", which tells the known facts about what the Russian military shipbuilders were in a critical dependence on the Nikolaev scientific-production complex gas turbine construction "Zorya" — "mashproyekt": this is one of three world monopolist in the production of ship gas turbine engines primarily for military vehicles. The same resource cites statements by 2015, Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin about the fact that despite the payment of the Ukrainian party of 100 million. for turbines for the construction of frigates, they have not been received, which adversely affects the pace of construction of frigates.

    However, the most interesting in the material is another message. According to the resource, the people's Deputy from the Nikolaev area in the Verkhovna Rada Taras Kremin considers that today "Zorya"-"mashproyekt" needs support, both at the state and local level, because "blow of Russian military shipbuilding." Is the quotation:

    "One of the best world monopoly on gas turbine units for marine engines "Zorya"-"mashproyekt", came out on the path of diversification, is blow to the Russian military shipbuilding. It is known that the equipment manufactured by our countrymen, designed by the famous series of both Soviet and modern warships of the Russian Navy: patrol ships, frigates, future multi-purpose destroyers. It is very important to support the staff of the enterprise today, not only nationally, but also at the local level. Our "dawn-mashproyekt" — the guarantor of prosperity and stability," writes on his page in Facebook Taras Kremin.

    I've seen it all now.
    A company gloating about losing 70% of their market to score political points.
    Amazing.

    Most of the old directors of such state-enterprises have been chucked out onto their ass during the last 24 months, and replaced with functionaries that tow the party line.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:59 pm


    Those kangaroo-huggin' sellouts!!! lol1

    Australian Company Accused of 'Selling Out' for Launching Tours of Crimea

    An Australian travel company has been accused of "selling out" to Russia after announcing its plans to start organizing tours of Crimea.


    http://sputniknews.com/art_living/20160114/1033118880/australia-crimea-tours.html

    In December, Sydney-based Gateway Travel announced it would run tours to Crimea which reunited with Russia as a result of the March 2014 referendum. Tours were set start between May and October 2016. They would include passage to and sightseeing in Simferopol, Yalta and Sevastopol.

    This led to a complaint from the Australian Federation of Ukrainian Organizations which represents 24 of the country’s most prominent Ukrainian community organizations.

    The referendum has not been officially recognized by the international community, and Crimea is considered Ukrainian by many countries, including Australia.

    The Australian Federation of Ukrainian Organizations said it had addressed Foreign Minister Julie Bishop and was waiting for a response. It also plans to raise the issue with Gateway Travel.

    Stefan Romaniw, chairman of the federation, said the initiative should be condemned.

    "Selling out to those who have little regard for Australian values, who stand accused of shooting down MH17 and supporting those who invaded Crimea goes against the grain of Australian sentiment at this time," he was quoted as saying by The Guardian.

    Gateway Travel has defended its position, saying that the decision was "non-political."

    "If people want to go to Crimea and we can get them a Russian visa, they can go,” she said. “If the Ukrainian government doesn’t like it: well, tough luck. It belongs to Russia at the moment," spokesperson Antonina Kislyakov was quoted as saying by RT.

    "If it returns back to Ukraine later on, which I sincerely doubt, then it will become Ukrainian. But I don’t see that there’s anything wrong with this, because people will go," she added.

    People around the world are now interested in visiting Crimea, she noted.

    The Australian authorities continue to warn its citizens against travelling to Crimea, citing a "very high risk." According to them, regular travel insurance policies would be void and the government is unlikely to be able to help if anything goes wrong, according to The Guardian.

    Crimea reunified with Russia in March 2014 following a political referendum in the region, in which 96 percent of the population voted in favor of joining Russia. Ukraine and the West have to date refused to recognize the vote, imposing economic sanctions against the peninsula that include investment bans and restrictive measures targeting Crimean individuals and entities.

    Moscow has insisted that the vote was held in full compliance with democratic procedure and international rule of law.


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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:45 pm

    Despite this countries protest (Canada) i know I will go to Crimea.  My buddy (old chilean guy) is headed to Moscow for a wedding to attend to and then to Crimea for vacation.  He couldnt give a crap what the government says here.

    Just wish I had the money.  Things are getting bad here, doubt I'll be able to afford it anytime soon.
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    Post  Guest Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:48 pm

    sepheronx wrote:Despite this countries protest (Canada) i know I will go to Crimea.  My buddy (old chilean guy) is headed to Moscow for a wedding to attend to and then to Crimea for vacation.  He couldnt give a crap what the government says here.

    Just wish I had the money.  Things are getting bad here, doubt I'll be able to afford it anytime soon.

    If everything goes as i would like, i am planning on moving to Russia in next year or two to be permanently with my fiance in Moscow. Still finding a way and a job, we will naturally go to vacation to Crimea coz why the hell not.
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:13 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Despite this countries protest (Canada) i know I will go to Crimea.  My buddy (old chilean guy) is headed to Moscow for a wedding to attend to and then to Crimea for vacation.  He couldnt give a crap what the government says here.

    Just wish I had the money.  Things are getting bad here, doubt I'll be able to afford it anytime soon.

    If everything goes as i would like, i am planning on moving to Russia in next year or two to be permanently with my fiance in Moscow. Still finding a way and a job, we will naturally go to vacation to Crimea coz why the hell not.
    Seeing as i am your new best buddy, move to Crimea, get a job, get me a job, and ill move there.  Maybe we can get others and have a rd.net crimea party.  Woman and booze and all.
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    Post  Guest Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:33 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Despite this countries protest (Canada) i know I will go to Crimea.  My buddy (old chilean guy) is headed to Moscow for a wedding to attend to and then to Crimea for vacation.  He couldnt give a crap what the government says here.

    Just wish I had the money.  Things are getting bad here, doubt I'll be able to afford it anytime soon.

    If everything goes as i would like, i am planning on moving to Russia in next year or two to be permanently with my fiance in Moscow. Still finding a way and a job, we will naturally go to vacation to Crimea coz why the hell not.
    Seeing as i am your new best buddy, move to Crimea, get a job, get me a job, and ill move there.  Maybe we can get others and have a rd.net crimea party.  Woman and booze and all.

    Hahaha, yeah my best RD.net buddy. Well they say its possible to find job there now FAIRLY easy. Tho it really depends whats your field of work. My better half is conceptual artist and i am IT abit of everything guy so.. idk, we shall see. But i totally wouldnt mind dacha on Crimea thats for sure xD

    Getting Russian work/living permit is a hell on Earth tho, plus i am already bipatriot i have 2 citizenships....
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:41 pm

    I have heard that there is an outbreak of deadly flu virus in Ukrainian-occupied Donbass. At least 20 Ukrainian occupiers have already perished and it is spreading to the DLPR.

    Does anyone know more about this issue?
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    Post  OminousSpudd Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:28 am

    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Despite this countries protest (Canada) i know I will go to Crimea.  My buddy (old chilean guy) is headed to Moscow for a wedding to attend to and then to Crimea for vacation.  He couldnt give a crap what the government says here.

    Just wish I had the money.  Things are getting bad here, doubt I'll be able to afford it anytime soon.

    If everything goes as i would like, i am planning on moving to Russia in next year or two to be permanently with my fiance in Moscow. Still finding a way and a job, we will naturally go to vacation to Crimea coz why the hell not.
    Seeing as i am your new best buddy, move to Crimea, get a job, get me a job, and ill move there.  Maybe we can get others and have a rd.net crimea party.  Woman and booze and all.

    Hahaha, yeah my best RD.net buddy. Well they say its possible to find job there now FAIRLY easy. Tho it really depends whats your field of work. My better half is conceptual artist and i am IT abit of everything guy so.. idk, we shall see. But i totally wouldnt mind dacha on Crimea thats for sure xD

    Getting Russian work/living permit is a hell on Earth tho, plus i am already bipatriot i have 2 citizenships....

    Scratch that, get three jobs, I'll move over and get studied up on Russian, meet a girl and settle down, we can all kickback in Krim with Auslander and co. Very Happy
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:44 am

    I am really upset about this. Our Congress and the Obama Administration funding persons who imho are just like the persons who murdered Jews, Russians, Poles, and Ukrainians in WW2. The Pentegon, Obama Administration, Congress including Paul Ryan.


    Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill

    http://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/

    Under pressure from the Pentagon, Congress has stripped the spending bill of an amendment that prevented funds from falling into the hands of Ukrainian neo-fascist groups.
    By James Carden
    Today 10:08 am

    In mid-December 2015, Congress passed a 2,000-plus-page omnibus spending bill for fiscal year 2016. Both parties were quick to declare victory after the passage of the $1.8 trillion package. White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters “we feel good about the outcome, primarily because we got a compromise budget agreement that fought off a wide variety of ideological riders.” The office of House Speaker Paul J. Ryan touted the bill’s “64 billion for overseas contingency operations” for, among other things, assisting ”European countries facing Russian aggression.”

    It would be safe to assume that one of the European countries which would stand to benefit from the omnibus measure—designed, in part, to combat “Russian aggression”—would be Ukraine, which has already, according to the White House, received $2 billion in loan guarantees and nearly $760 million in “security, programmatic, and technical assistance” since February 2014.

    Yet some have expressed concern that some of this aid has made its way into the hands of neo-Nazi groups, such as the Azov Battalion. Last summer the Daily Beast published an interview by the journalists Will Cathcart and Joseph Epstein in which a member of the Azov battalion spoke about “his battalion’s experience with U.S. trainers and U.S. volunteers quite fondly, even mentioning U.S. volunteers engineers and medics that are still currently assisting them.”

    And so, in July of last year, Congressmen John Conyers of Michigan and Ted Yoho of Florida drew up an amendment to the House Defense Appropriations bill (HR 2685) that “limits arms, training, and other assistance to the neo-Nazi Ukrainian militia, the Azov Battalion.” It passed by a unanimous vote in the House.

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    And yet by the time November came around and the conference debate over the year-end appropriations bill was underway, the Conyers-Yoho measure appeared to be in jeopardy. And indeed it was. An official familiar with the debate told The Nation that the House Defense Appropriations Committee came under pressure from the Pentagon to remove the Conyers-Yoho amendment from the text of the bill.

    The Pentagon’s objection to the Conyers-Yoho amendment rests on the claim that it is redundant because similar legislation—known as the Leahy law—already exists that would prevent the funding of Azov. This, as it turns out, is untrue. The Leahy law covers only those groups for which the “Secretary of State has credible information that such unit has committed a gross violation of human rights.” Yet the State Department has never claimed to have such information about Azov, so funding to the group cannot be blocked by the Leahy law. The congressional source I spoke to pointed out that “even if Azov is already covered by Leahy, then no there was no need to strip it out of final bill.” Indeed, the Leahy law cannot block funding to groups, no matter how noxious their ideology, in the absence of “credible information” that they have committed human-rights violations. The Conyers-Yoho amendment was designed to remedy that shortcoming.

    Considering the fact that the US Army has been training Ukrainian armed forces and national guard troops, the Conyers-Yoho amendment made a great deal of sense; blocking the avowedly neo-Nazi Azov battalion from receiving US assistance would further what President Obama often refers to as “our interests and values.”

    That neo-Nazis (or neo-fascists, if you prefer) are a distinctly minority taste in Western Ukraine, is clear and is not in dispute. Of late, however, there have been troubling signs that they may become a force to be reckoned with. According to The Jerusalem Post, in Ukrainian municipal elections held last October, the neo-Nazi Svoboda party won 10 percent of the vote in Kiev and placed second in Lviv. The Svoboda party’s candidate actually won the mayoral election in the city of Konotop. Meanwhile, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty reported in November that Azov operates a boot camp that exposes children to “the regiment’s far right-wing ideology.”

    Whether White House spokesman Josh Earnest was referring, in part, to the Conyers-Yoho amendment as one of those “ideological riders” the administration fought to defeat is unclear. What is clear is that by stripping out the anti-neo-Nazi provision, Congress and the administration have paved the way for US funding to end up in the hands of the most noxious elements circulating within Ukraine today.


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    Post  Guest Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:03 am

    sepheronx wrote:Despite this countries protest (Canada) i know I will go to Crimea.  My buddy (old chilean guy) is headed to Moscow for a wedding to attend to and then to Crimea for vacation.  He couldnt give a crap what the government says here.

    Just wish I had the money.  Things are getting bad here, doubt I'll be able to afford it anytime soon.
    I have a quick off topic question for you, Sepheronx. I was wondering what you thought about Trudeau and the Canadian economy?

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I am really upset about this. Our Congress and the Obama Administration funding persons who imho are just like the persons who murdered Jews, Russians, Poles, and Ukrainians in WW2. The Pentegon, Obama Administration, Congress including Paul Ryan.


    Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill.
    Hard not to see this coming honestly. Upsetting nonetheless, but still it would have been more naive not to think they would have prevented this. All hope for Ukraine to survive militarily in the coming years may come down to if there is an establishment candidate in the Oval Office, there is only one real anti-establishment candidate too.

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