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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #23

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    Post  auslander Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:09 am

    OminousSpudd wrote: Scratch that, get three jobs, I'll move over and get studied up on Russian, meet a girl and settle down, we can all kickback in Krim with Auslander and co. Very Happy

    You can come for a visit any time, just follow the rules:
    1. The ladies must be in proper attire, including ankle length skirts, blouses with long sleeves and high collars. Ladies must have hair longer than 50 cm. Gentlemen must have hair shorter than 50 cm. and should not wear skirts and blouses.
    2. No spitting, swearing or body noises in public.
    3. When a black S Klasse with darkened windows passes you on the streets you will doff your hat and bow humbly.
    4. No disruption of vehicular traffic is allowed. This means you will be fined if you are clumsy enough to trip and fall in our sainted street pot holes, some of which are so old they have names and honorary plaques proudly counting the number of axles they have broken.
    5. Please do not pick your nose or clean your ears when listening to our politicians pontificate in regards to how great they are and their vast accomplishments.
    6. It is considered bad form to void one's bladder on the hood of the odd seven ton SUV parked on our sidewalks. These people are important and do not have the time to find a parking place.
    7. It is not allowed to denigrate in any way our honored guests from up north. All those military age young men with the AH (AN) and BB (VV) tags on their cars are fulfilling important coordination and support tasks for their honored and revered brothers fighting in the lines of Novorossiya.
    8. It is not allowed to denigrate in any way our honored guests from Kiev. Those worthy and valiant men with the AA tags on their cars are important resistance members struggling against the coup d'etat in Kiev for two years.
    9. Please do not make fun of our tourists. I know it is an annoyance to see them waddling down the middle of the streets with their gaggle of children and 100 kilo wives but be patient with them. After all most have never seen a paved, after a fashion, street and heavy traffic to them means two cows and a tractor on their local streets. Please kindly pick up the trash they accidentally drop on our streets. It is quite difficult for them to drop their half eaten sandwich in that trash container 10 cm away.
    10. When driving on our streets please remember that those pretty red, green and yellow lights that change colors in seemingly random fashion are not Christmas lights. If the light is for instance red try to slow down to at maximum 80 kph as you pass the light.
    11. Do not go to our beaches from May to October without taking your heart meds with you.
    12. While at our beaches please remember proper attire. If you are over 80 years it is recommended that ladies wear both parts of their bathing suits and gentlemen kindly refrain from wearing thongs.

    Please remember these basic rules for proper behavior and enjoy your visit to our pleasant little city. If you see us in City Center Park please do not touch our dogs. Trust me, Aleksandr and Yekatarina do not like you.
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    Post  auslander Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:36 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Despite this countries protest (Canada) i know I will go to Crimea.  My buddy (old chilean guy) is headed to Moscow for a wedding to attend to and then to Crimea for vacation.  He couldnt give a crap what the government says here.

    Just wish I had the money.  Things are getting bad here, doubt I'll be able to afford it anytime soon.
    I have a quick off topic question for you, Sepheronx. I was wondering what you thought about Trudeau and the Canadian economy?

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I am really upset about this. Our Congress and the Obama Administration funding persons who imho are just like the persons who murdered Jews, Russians, Poles, and Ukrainians in WW2. The Pentegon, Obama Administration, Congress including Paul Ryan.


    Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill.
    Hard not to see this coming honestly. Upsetting nonetheless, but still it would have been more naive not to think they would have prevented this. All hope for Ukraine to survive militarily in the coming years may come down to if there is an establishment candidate in the Oval Office, there is only one real anti-establishment candidate too.

    The witch will be the next president. The anti-establishment candidate will be destroyed this year at a time that will make it too late for another viable candidate to give anything but token opposition. Azov and the other misguided volunteer battalions will continue to be trained and supported as will be the regime in Kiev.
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    Post  OminousSpudd Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:50 am

    auslander wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote: Scratch that, get three jobs, I'll move over and get studied up on Russian, meet a girl and settle down, we can all kickback in Krim with Auslander and co. Very Happy

    You can come for a visit any time, just follow the rules:
    1. The ladies must be in proper attire, including ankle length skirts, blouses with long sleeves and high collars. Ladies must have hair longer than 50 cm. Gentlemen must have hair shorter than 50 cm. and should not wear skirts and blouses.
    2. No spitting, swearing or body noises in public.
    3. When a black S Klasse with darkened windows passes you on the streets you will doff your hat and bow humbly.
    4. No disruption of vehicular traffic is allowed. This means you will be fined if you are clumsy enough to trip and fall in our sainted street pot holes, some of which are so old they have names and honorary plaques proudly counting the number of axles they have broken.
    5. Please do not pick your nose or clean your ears when listening to our politicians pontificate in regards to how great they are and their vast accomplishments.
    6. It is considered bad form to void one's bladder on the hood of the odd seven ton SUV parked on our sidewalks. These people are important and do not have the time to find a parking place.
    7. It is not allowed to denigrate in any way our honored guests from up north. All those military age young men with the AH (AN) and BB (VV) tags on their cars are fulfilling important coordination and support tasks for their honored and revered brothers fighting in the lines of Novorossiya.
    8. It is not allowed to denigrate in any way our honored guests from Kiev. Those worthy and valiant men with the AA tags on their cars are important resistance members struggling against the coup d'etat in Kiev for two years.
    9. Please do not make fun of our tourists. I know it is an annoyance to see them waddling down the middle of the streets with their gaggle of children and 100 kilo wives but be patient with them. After all most have never seen a paved, after a fashion, street and heavy traffic to them means two cows and a tractor on their local streets. Please kindly pick up the trash they accidentally drop on our streets. It is quite difficult for them to drop their half eaten sandwich in that trash container 10 cm away.
    10. When driving on our streets please remember that those pretty red, green and yellow lights that change colors in seemingly random fashion are not Christmas lights. If the light is for instance red try to slow down to at maximum 80 kph as you pass the light.
    11. Do not go to our beaches from May to October without taking your heart meds with you.
    12. While at our beaches please remember proper attire. If you are over 80 years it is recommended that ladies wear both parts of their bathing suits and gentlemen kindly refrain from wearing thongs.

    Please remember these basic rules for proper behavior and enjoy your visit to our pleasant little city. If you see us in City Center Park please do not touch our dogs. Trust me, Aleksandr and Yekatarina do not like you.

    Got it, but forget the visit, I'm coming to stay, vulgar Kiwi behavior included. lol1
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    Post  auslander Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:19 am

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote: Scratch that, get three jobs, I'll move over and get studied up on Russian, meet a girl and settle down, we can all kickback in Krim with Auslander and co. Very Happy

    You can come for a visit any time, just follow the rules:
    1. The ladies must be in proper attire, including ankle length skirts, blouses with long sleeves and high collars. Ladies must have hair longer than 50 cm. Gentlemen must have hair shorter than 50 cm. and should not wear skirts and blouses.
    2. No spitting, swearing or body noises in public.
    3. When a black S Klasse with darkened windows passes you on the streets you will doff your hat and bow humbly.
    4. No disruption of vehicular traffic is allowed. This means you will be fined if you are clumsy enough to trip and fall in our sainted street pot holes, some of which are so old they have names and honorary plaques proudly counting the number of axles they have broken.
    5. Please do not pick your nose or clean your ears when listening to our politicians pontificate in regards to how great they are and their vast accomplishments.
    6. It is considered bad form to void one's bladder on the hood of the odd seven ton SUV parked on our sidewalks. These people are important and do not have the time to find a parking place.
    7. It is not allowed to denigrate in any way our honored guests from up north. All those military age young men with the AH (AN) and BB (VV) tags on their cars are fulfilling important coordination and support tasks for their honored and revered brothers fighting in the lines of Novorossiya.
    8. It is not allowed to denigrate in any way our honored guests from Kiev. Those worthy and valiant men with the AA tags on their cars are important resistance members struggling against the coup d'etat in Kiev for two years.
    9. Please do not make fun of our tourists. I know it is an annoyance to see them waddling down the middle of the streets with their gaggle of children and 100 kilo wives but be patient with them. After all most have never seen a paved, after a fashion, street and heavy traffic to them means two cows and a tractor on their local streets. Please kindly pick up the trash they accidentally drop on our streets. It is quite difficult for them to drop their half eaten sandwich in that trash container 10 cm away.
    10. When driving on our streets please remember that those pretty red, green and yellow lights that change colors in seemingly random fashion are not Christmas lights. If the light is for instance red try to slow down to at maximum 80 kph as you pass the light.
    11. Do not go to our beaches from May to October without taking your heart meds with you.
    12. While at our beaches please remember proper attire. If you are over 80 years it is recommended that ladies wear both parts of their bathing suits and gentlemen kindly refrain from wearing thongs.

    Please remember these basic rules for proper behavior and enjoy your visit to our pleasant little city. If you see us in City Center Park please do not touch our dogs. Trust me, Aleksandr and Yekatarina do not like you.

    Got it, but forget the visit, I'm coming to stay, vulgar Kiwi behavior included. lol1

    In that case, welcome! You will fit right in with the rest of us, just remember about the dogs. Aleksandr has teeth the size of golf tees.
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:26 am

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I am really upset about this. Our Congress and the Obama Administration funding persons who imho are just like the persons who murdered Jews, Russians, Poles, and Ukrainians in WW2. The Pentegon, Obama Administration, Congress including Paul Ryan.

    Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill

    http://www.thenation.com/article/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/

    I believe we should remember this event

    http://tass.ru/en/world/837935.

    Canada, US, Ukraine vote against UN resolution condemning glorification of Nazism
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:46 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Despite this countries protest (Canada) i know I will go to Crimea.  My buddy (old chilean guy) is headed to Moscow for a wedding to attend to and then to Crimea for vacation.  He couldnt give a crap what the government says here.

    Just wish I had the money.  Things are getting bad here, doubt I'll be able to afford it anytime soon.
    I have a quick off topic question for you, Sepheronx. I was wondering what you thought about Trudeau and the Canadian economy?

    Well, I guess the simplist way I can put it is.....we are screwed.  Essentially, Trudeau has yet to accomplish 1 thing he promised besudes the Syrian refugees, which is already surpassed the proposed 5 year budget for them, in not even a full year.  And as well, his whole campaign was about legalization of weed and now he said he cant even do that,  not that I care cause I dont smoke nor do I condone the use of it or any other drug.  But the point is, his entire campaign was that and he couldnt even fullfill that.  Only good thing he has done was tell Obama no F-35's. But eventually Lockmart will get through to him through other groups....

    Now, economically is a whole other thing.  Essentially, the Alberta province is screwed (where I live) and there is no economic plan at all.  And we are spending even more.  Wanna talk about deficit? Canada exceeds Russia on borrowing, thats for sure.  No reserve fund either to help soften the blow.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:24 pm

    Interfax reports that Ukraine announced that it will carry out 7th wave of mobilization to armed forces
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    Post  Guest Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:54 pm

    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Despite this countries protest (Canada) i know I will go to Crimea.  My buddy (old chilean guy) is headed to Moscow for a wedding to attend to and then to Crimea for vacation.  He couldnt give a crap what the government says here.

    Just wish I had the money.  Things are getting bad here, doubt I'll be able to afford it anytime soon.
    I have a quick off topic question for you, Sepheronx. I was wondering what you thought about Trudeau and the Canadian economy?

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I am really upset about this. Our Congress and the Obama Administration funding persons who imho are just like the persons who murdered Jews, Russians, Poles, and Ukrainians in WW2. The Pentegon, Obama Administration, Congress including Paul Ryan.

    Congress Has Removed a Ban on Funding Neo-Nazis From Its Year-End Spending Bill.
    Hard not to see this coming honestly. Upsetting nonetheless, but still it would have been more naive not to think they would have prevented this. All hope for Ukraine to survive militarily in the coming years may come down to if there is an establishment candidate in the Oval Office, there is only one real anti-establishment candidate too.

    The witch will be the next president. The anti-establishment candidate will be destroyed this year at a time that will make it too late for another viable candidate to give anything but token opposition. Azov and the other misguided volunteer battalions will continue to be trained and supported as will be the regime in Kiev.
    I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happento to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer.

    sepheronx wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Despite this countries protest (Canada) i know I will go to Crimea.  My buddy (old chilean guy) is headed to Moscow for a wedding to attend to and then to Crimea for vacation.  He couldnt give a crap what the government says here.

    Just wish I had the money.  Things are getting bad here, doubt I'll be able to afford it anytime soon.
    I have a quick off topic question for you, Sepheronx. I was wondering what you thought about Trudeau and the Canadian economy?

    Well, I guess the simplist way I can put it is.....we are screwed.  Essentially, Trudeau has yet to accomplish 1 thing he promised besudes the Syrian refugees, which is already surpassed the proposed 5 year budget for them, in not even a full year.  And as well, his whole campaign was about legalization of weed and now he said he cant even do that,  not that I care cause I dont smoke nor do I condone the use of it or any other drug.  But the point is, his entire campaign was that and he couldnt even fullfill that.  Only good thing he has done was tell Obama no F-35's. But eventually Lockmart will get through to him through other groups....

    Now, economically is a whole other thing.  Essentially, the Alberta province is screwed (where I live) and there is no economic plan at all.  And we are spending even more.  Wanna talk about deficit? Canada exceeds Russia on borrowing, thats for sure.  No reserve fund either to help soften the blow.
    Interesting. All I heard is from a few of my acquaintances that study international politics who thought highly of Trudeau because of his socialist leaning. Then again, those same kids also think that Sweden is a great place and a leader in how countries should be run. So I wanted to hear from a not radicalized source and I wanted to hear how the oil glut is affecting an economy driven by natural resources.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:09 pm


    ''Top US, Kremlin officials meet at Russian border for closed Ukraine talks''

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-kremlin-officials-meet-russian-border-ukraine-talks-143617817.html

    Gray Cardinal and Cookie Monster, this should be interesting. Ukrops announced 7th mobilization wave just after it was over.
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    Post  Godric Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:46 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    ''Top US, Kremlin officials meet at Russian border for closed Ukraine talks''

    http://news.yahoo.com/us-kremlin-officials-meet-russian-border-ukraine-talks-143617817.html

    Gray Cardinal and Cookie Monster, this should be interesting. Ukrops announced 7th mobilization wave just after it was over.

    i got into a bit of heated debate with some of the west good Russia evil brainwashed clowns
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    Post  auslander Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:46 pm

    "I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."

    I see her and I see evil incarnate. It is an amazement, and truly baffling, the numbers of people who will vote for her and adore her. Who was it that said 'useful fools' or something of that ilk?

    On the other hand I had a conversation with a soldier I know, this was back on October when I was 'home' for about three weeks. I've known him for almost 30 years, from when he was a shave tail. He has matured considerably and our conversation was in essence a 'good bye'. Gone was the confidence from before, now he is not at peace, he is worried. He clearly said he has trepidations about coming against Russia and he is worried that his unit will be ordered to attack Russia ergo at least some planning is being done in that regard. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, to an attack against Russia. If it does for me it will be a civil war but I will fight anyone to defend my city, my home, my family. He knows and he understands this, hence our 'good bye'. It hurts to lose an old comrade but so be it. I am what I am and he is what he is. Damn them, damn for doing this to all of us.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:05 pm

    auslander wrote:"I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."

    I see her and I see evil incarnate. It is an amazement, and truly baffling, the numbers of people who will vote for her and adore her. Who was it that said 'useful fools' or something of that ilk?
    ............................

    I could not agree more.


    Godric wrote:.................................

    i got into a bit of heated debate with some of the west good Russia evil brainwashed clowns

    Been there back in a day myself man. Just ignore the tools, not worth the stress....
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:30 pm

    auslander wrote:"I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."

    I see her and I see evil incarnate. It is an amazement, and truly baffling, the numbers of people who will vote for her and adore her. Who was it that said 'useful fools' or something of that ilk?

    On the other hand I had a conversation with a soldier I know, this was back on October when I was 'home' for about three weeks. I've known him for almost 30 years, from when he was a shave tail. He has matured considerably and our conversation was in essence a 'good bye'. Gone was the confidence from before, now he is not at peace, he is worried. He clearly said he has trepidations about coming against Russia and he is worried that his unit will be ordered to attack Russia ergo at least some planning is being done in that regard. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, to an attack against Russia. If it does for me it will be a civil war but I will fight anyone to defend my city, my home, my family. He knows and he understands this, hence our 'good bye'. It hurts to lose an old comrade but so be it. I am what I am and he is what he is. Damn them, damn for doing this to all of us.
    I think your friend is a little too over cautious.  US wont attack Russia directly as they know they will get limited to no support from allies, and as well, know that millions would die.  No one is willing to risk that.  You got lots of hit heads making claims to win political browny points.  Thats all.  At least I hope.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:42 pm

    Maybe Ukraine is really going to regret pissing off Moscow. This could turn very nasty if Russia pushes this to the cliff and the IMF have moved on their 'got to support Ukraine' position. So far they have shown little inclination to do this in other matters but this is money, so different (banker no mercy) rules may apply!

    WASHINGTON (Sputnik) – The International Monetary Fund (IMF), in case of Russia’s demands to drop the assistance program to Ukraine due to the default on debt, will possibly need to gather a separate board of directors to consider the bona fide behaviour of the debtor and the creditor, a source in the organization said Friday.

    "If the creditor says he doesn’t agree to the continuation of the program, in other words, demands to suspend it, a mechanism stipulated by new rules enters into force. Before the meeting on the continuation of the aid program to Ukraine, another meeting of the board, which discusses the integrity of the borrower and the lender, is convened," the source told RIA Novosti.

    A $3-billion debt in Eurobonds to Moscow, which was secured in 2013 by the government of then-President Viktor Yanukovych, matured on December 20, 2015. The Russian Finance Ministry announced on December 31 that Ukraine had defaulted as it had missed the 10-day deadline to repay the debt.

    Moscow disagrees with Kiev's stance that the bond is part of an external commercial debt, arguing that the bond is a loan provided by one country to another.


    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160115/1033220878/imf-separate-ukraine-debt-board-convention.html#ixzz3xLqhivUX
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:55 pm

    sepheronx wrote:
    auslander wrote:"I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."

    I see her and I see evil incarnate. It is an amazement, and truly baffling, the numbers of people who will vote for her and adore her. Who was it that said 'useful fools' or something of that ilk?

    On the other hand I had a conversation with a soldier I know, this was back on October when I was 'home' for about three weeks. I've known him for almost 30 years, from when he was a shave tail. He has matured considerably and our conversation was in essence a 'good bye'. Gone was the confidence from before, now he is not at peace, he is worried. He clearly said he has trepidations about coming against Russia and he is worried that his unit will be ordered to attack Russia ergo at least some planning is being done in that regard. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, to an attack against Russia. If it does for me it will be a civil war but I will fight anyone to defend my city, my home, my family. He knows and he understands this, hence our 'good bye'. It hurts to lose an old comrade but so be it. I am what I am and he is what he is. Damn them, damn for doing this to all of us.
    I think your friend is a little too over cautious.  US wont attack Russia directly as they know they will get limited to no support from allies, and as well, know that millions would die.  No one is willing to risk that.  You got lots of hit heads making claims to win political browny points.  Thats all.  At least I hope.
    I agree. It would be very difficult for the US to create a coalition, even of the unwilling. There are too many (and their families) still alive from the last war in Europe who remember how the US benefited so much whilst they suffered for it to be politically acceptable, because its us old folks that get out and vote!

    The current sanctions were when that train probably left town, Europe now suffering quite badly at the moment (especially farmers and German industry, both big vote influencers) whilst the US lords it over us with little impact on it.

    The logistics of the US having do do it without access to Russia via and with its assets in Europe makes it a non starter. The politicians is Europe may or may not be 'bought and paid for' by TPTB but laying waste to their continent is not a winning ploy. WMD are a game changer.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:33 pm

    Poro has given his first press conference of the year. Amongst the gems are

    I am certain that the photos confirming this will be available shortly............

    Ukraine has evidence of Russian troops and equipment crossing into its territory, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has said.

    "We have irrefutable evidence - both satellite images and video footage made by our intelligence services - of Russian military hardware and Armed Forces units crossing the Ukrainian border," he told a press conference in Kyiv on Thursday.

    "And we demand that, once we have conveyed this position, there should be a decisive and fast reaction in the form of withdrawal of the invading troops and access by the OSCE [the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe] for checks and for creation of all conditions, primarily, concerning the safety issue, and for launching of the political settlement process," Poroshenko said.

    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/317477.html

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has said that his first priority in 2016 will be to ensure peace in Donbas and bring Ukraine back into the region. "This is primarily to ensure peace and - I stress - Ukraine's return into Donbas. In 2016, Ukrainian sovereignty over the occupied territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions must be restored," Poroshenko said at the start of his first press conference this year in Kyiv on Thursday.

    Another top priority on the agenda is the fight for the return of Crimea, he said. "We will propose creating an international mechanism for the de-occupation of the peninsula. The optimal format for launching such a mechanism is, in my view, the Geneva plus format, which involves our partners from the European Union, the United States and possibly the signatories to the Budapest Memorandum," the Ukrainian president said.

    "The toughest challenges such as the return of Donbas and Crimea, I am planning to tackle primarily by way of political diplomacy and international law. I reiterate our firm commitment to the full implementation by all parties, without exception, of all clauses of the Minsk agreements. We will not allow any revision of the Minsk agreements," Poroshenko said.

    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/317396.html


    Meanwhile, in the Minsk discussions, note the hard line, my highlights and note also that this is no direct Steinmeier quote.

    The captives detained by illegal armed formations to be liberated in the east of Ukraine in next few days, said German Foreign Minister and OSCE Chairperson-in-Office Frank-Walter Steinmeier on Thursday.

    "The OSCE Council is running in Vienna, for the first time under residency of one of the key states of the 'Normandy format' – Germany. German Foreign Minister and Chairperson-in-Office Mr. Steinmeier yesterday was optimistic regarding Russian statements in Minsk about ceasefire and the statements of the militants on the release of the hostages that is to be held the other day," wrote Ukraine's envoy for humanitarian issues in Trilateral Contact Group MP Iryna Heraschenko on Facebook on Friday. She said that Ukrainian party already handed the lists with the names of captives on January 6, backed them up during the last meeting in Minsk and until now is waiting for the response.

    Besides, the Ukrainian parliamentarian stressed that after Russia declared ceasefire, "shell attacks in Donbas even increased", and the OSCE monitors stated about numerous registered facts of hampering to their activities. "Russia is completely responsible for the actions of the militants. This is clearly understood both in Germany, OSCE and in the whole world. And their failure to implement the given in public promises will be in complete responsibility of Kremlin itself, which now is represented in Minsk by one of the leaders of Yedinaya Rossiya [United Russia] party, acting member of Russian Security Council and their puppets of certain districts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions," she said.

    As reported, in the morning of January 6, LPR leader Igor Plotnitsky said he intends to release all captured Ukrainian military, who are on the territory of the LPR as a good will gesture.

    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/317598.html
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:00 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Interfax reports that Ukraine announced that it will carry out 7th wave of mobilization to armed forces

    KIEV, January 15. /TASS/. Ukraine is heading for a seventh wave of drafting to the army, the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces said on Friday in a report in Facebook. "A seventh wave of drafting will take place," it said.

    The General Staff said a yet another campaign to resolve problems with manpower in the Ukrainian ground troops will be focused on getting contract servicemen and conscripts likewise. "The more contract soldiers we get, the fewer draftees we'll need," the report said. The citizens who complete and eleven-months tour of duty in the army will be given an opportunity to sign contracts for six months and the military who have civil higher education can take three-months-long upgrade courses for getting commissioned ranks.

    Ukrainian media said earlier the new wave of drafting was most likely to begin at the end of February to and to take up two months. Partial drafting to the Armed Forces has taken place six times over the past two years.

    Ukrainian defense sources say the numeric strength of the Army grew almost twofold over the period to 280,000 servicemen. Almost 70,000 Ukrainian military are deployed at present along the Line of Contact in Donbas, a territory in eastern Ukraine where the self-proclaimed unrecognized Donetsk and Luhanksk republics are located. At the moment, the army is staffed with soldiers drafted during the fourth, fifth and sixth waves of drafting.

    More: http://tass.ru/en/world/850057
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter Sat Jan 16, 2016 12:05 am

    auslander wrote:"I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."

    I see her and I see evil incarnate. It is an amazement, and truly baffling, the numbers of people who will vote for her and adore her. Who was it that said 'useful fools' or something of that ilk?

    On the other hand I had a conversation with a soldier I know, this was back on October when I was 'home' for about three weeks. I've known him for almost 30 years, from when he was a shave tail. He has matured considerably and our conversation was in essence a 'good bye'. Gone was the confidence from before, now he is not at peace, he is worried. He clearly said he has trepidations about coming against Russia and he is worried that his unit will be ordered to attack Russia ergo at least some planning is being done in that regard. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, to an attack against Russia. If it does for me it will be a civil war but I will fight anyone to defend my city, my home, my family. He knows and he understands this, hence our 'good bye'. It hurts to lose an old comrade but so be it. I am what I am and he is what he is. Damn them, damn for doing this to all of us.

    We the people in the USA are screwed. We're run by the richest few, and they have the game rigged.
    Presidents don't make decisions, the Pentagon and the CIA and big business does. Most of Congress is bought and paid for.

    I looked at who voted how on the budget:

    Some examples

    "The House majority whip, Steve Scalise, tried to argue that the H-2B visa expansion addresses a “current and projected H2B worker shortage.” Mark Krikorian scoffs at NRO:

    Most of the e-mail is the usual lobbyist-written baloney, but it takes an especially clumsy (or shameless) lobbyist to try to justify this captive-worker program by citing “the current and projected H2B worker shortage”. Worker shortage? To get a sense of how ridiculous that is, just one number: In the second quarter of this year there were 6.5 million people working part-time who said they wanted full-time work but couldn’t find it. (For more, including the growing number and percentage of working-age people dropping out of the labor market, see here.) In such an environment, what possible justification can there be for importing construction workers and hotel maids?

    And the party’s brain trust can’t understand why people are attracted to Trump.

    Trump is a self-inflicted wound."

    http://hotair.com/archives/2015/12/18/breaking-omnibus-passes-house-316-113/

    Find Out How Your Senators Voted on the Government Spending Bill

    http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/18/find-out-how-your-senators-voted-on-the-government-spending-bill/

    & running for President is a gravy train

    The power players behind Hillary's campaign
    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/hillary-clintons-power-players-116874
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    auslander wrote:"I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."

    I see her and I see evil incarnate. It is an amazement, and truly baffling, the numbers of people who will vote for her and adore her. Who was it that said 'useful fools' or something of that ilk?

    On the other hand I had a conversation with a soldier I know, this was back on October when I was 'home' for about three weeks. I've known him for almost 30 years, from when he was a shave tail. He has matured considerably and our conversation was in essence a 'good bye'. Gone was the confidence from before, now he is not at peace, he is worried. He clearly said he has trepidations about coming against Russia and he is worried that his unit will be ordered to attack Russia ergo at least some planning is being done in that regard. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, to an attack against Russia. If it does for me it will be a civil war but I will fight anyone to defend my city, my home, my family. He knows and he understands this, hence our 'good bye'. It hurts to lose an old comrade but so be it. I am what I am and he is what he is. Damn them, damn for doing this to all of us.

    You writing skills are as sharp as always. Wink
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    Post  auslander Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:18 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    auslander wrote:"I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."

    I see her and I see evil incarnate. It is an amazement, and truly baffling, the numbers of people who will vote for her and adore her. Who was it that said 'useful fools' or something of that ilk?

    On the other hand I had a conversation with a soldier I know, this was back on October when I was 'home' for about three weeks. I've known him for almost 30 years, from when he was a shave tail. He has matured considerably and our conversation was in essence a 'good bye'. Gone was the confidence from before, now he is not at peace, he is worried. He clearly said he has trepidations about coming against Russia and he is worried that his unit will be ordered to attack Russia ergo at least some planning is being done in that regard. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, to an attack against Russia. If it does for me it will be a civil war but I will fight anyone to defend my city, my home, my family. He knows and he understands this, hence our 'good bye'. It hurts to lose an old comrade but so be it. I am what I am and he is what he is. Damn them, damn for doing this to all of us.

    You writing skills are as sharp as always. Wink

    I have the deepest respect for my friend, we've been pretty close over the years. The very fact that he is worried is, to me, a harbinger of things to possibly come. He is a warrior although now he is above company grade. 'They' could care less what the general populace in either US or EU thinks, if they choose to go to war, war it will be. I personally do not think this will happen by design but with the inexperienced witch heading for ultimate power in US it is time to have some serious thoughts on the subject.

    The sky is not falling and I'm not saying it is by any stretch of the imagination, I am simply reporting what one friend indicated to me, this indication by his actions in addition to his words.
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    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    auslander wrote:"I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."

    I see her and I see evil incarnate. It is an amazement, and truly baffling, the numbers of people who will vote for her and adore her. Who was it that said 'useful fools' or something of that ilk?

    On the other hand I had a conversation with a soldier I know, this was back on October when I was 'home' for about three weeks. I've known him for almost 30 years, from when he was a shave tail. He has matured considerably and our conversation was in essence a 'good bye'. Gone was the confidence from before, now he is not at peace, he is worried. He clearly said he has trepidations about coming against Russia and he is worried that his unit will be ordered to attack Russia ergo at least some planning is being done in that regard. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, to an attack against Russia. If it does for me it will be a civil war but I will fight anyone to defend my city, my home, my family. He knows and he understands this, hence our 'good bye'. It hurts to lose an old comrade but so be it. I am what I am and he is what he is. Damn them, damn for doing this to all of us.

    You writing skills are as sharp as always. Wink

    I have the deepest respect for my friend, we've been pretty close over the years. The very fact that he is worried is, to me, a harbinger of things to possibly come. He is a warrior although now he is above company grade. 'They' could care less what the general populace in either US or EU thinks, if they choose to go to war, war it will be. I personally do not think this will happen by design but with the inexperienced witch heading for ultimate power in US it is time to have some serious thoughts on the subject.

    The sky is not falling and I'm not saying it is by any stretch of the imagination, I am simply reporting what one friend indicated to me, this indication by his actions in addition to his words.
    Oh I understand completely what you mean. You just happened to put it so eloquently that the scene would not look out of place in your novel.
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    Post  Neutrality Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:54 am

    auslander wrote:"I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."

    I see her and I see evil incarnate. It is an amazement, and truly baffling, the numbers of people who will vote for her and adore her. Who was it that said 'useful fools' or something of that ilk?

    On the other hand I had a conversation with a soldier I know, this was back on October when I was 'home' for about three weeks. I've known him for almost 30 years, from when he was a shave tail. He has matured considerably and our conversation was in essence a 'good bye'. Gone was the confidence from before, now he is not at peace, he is worried. He clearly said he has trepidations about coming against Russia and he is worried that his unit will be ordered to attack Russia ergo at least some planning is being done in that regard. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, to an attack against Russia. If it does for me it will be a civil war but I will fight anyone to defend my city, my home, my family. He knows and he understands this, hence our 'good bye'. It hurts to lose an old comrade but so be it. I am what I am and he is what he is. Damn them, damn for doing this to all of us.

    The witch has been very clear about USA-Russia relations. She's actively pushing towards a confrontation but I think even she realizes the consequences of a military confrontation between the most powerful nuclear states in the world. I think there are still some wise people in the Pentagon and the State Dep. who won't let it come to that. A coup will happen and she will be set aside. No one wants to destroy modern civilization because of some hardline SJW lunatic.
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    Post  auslander Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:22 am

    [quote="Ivan the Colorado"]
    auslander wrote:
    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    auslander wrote:"I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."
    You writing skills are as sharp as always. Wink

    I have the deepest respect for my friend, we've been pretty close over the years. The very fact that he is worried is, to me, a harbinger of things to possibly come. He is a warrior although now he is above company grade. 'They' could care less what the general populace in either US or EU thinks, if they choose to go to war, war it will be. I personally do not think this will happen by design but with the inexperienced witch heading for ultimate power in US it is time to have some serious thoughts on the subject.

    The sky is not falling and I'm not saying it is by any stretch of the imagination, I am simply reporting what one friend indicated to me, this indication by his actions in addition to his words.
    Oh I understand completely what you mean. You just happened to put it so eloquently that the scene would not look out of place in your novel.

    I understand that you understood, I simply wanted to reinforce what I said to a couple of the others.

    Thank you for your compliments on Never The Last One and my writing skills. So far every review has been five star. The novel is doing well considering I am not publicizing so very much.
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    Post  auslander Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:51 am

    Neutrality wrote:
    auslander wrote:"I fear the witch will come to power too. Although none of the other candidates with the exception of the King of New York (who also happens to be a outspoken Russophile) aren't any good either. Life here has gotten only worse since 2008 and I fear what may happen to this country if these people are allowed to hold the reins of power longer."

    I see her and I see evil incarnate. It is an amazement, and truly baffling, the numbers of people who will vote for her and adore her. Who was it that said 'useful fools' or something of that ilk?

    On the other hand I had a conversation with a soldier I know, this was back on October when I was 'home' for about three weeks. I've known him for almost 30 years, from when he was a shave tail. He has matured considerably and our conversation was in essence a 'good bye'. Gone was the confidence from before, now he is not at peace, he is worried. He clearly said he has trepidations about coming against Russia and he is worried that his unit will be ordered to attack Russia ergo at least some planning is being done in that regard. I sincerely hope it does not come to that, to an attack against Russia. If it does for me it will be a civil war but I will fight anyone to defend my city, my home, my family. He knows and he understands this, hence our 'good bye'. It hurts to lose an old comrade but so be it. I am what I am and he is what he is. Damn them, damn for doing this to all of us.

    The witch has been very clear about USA-Russia relations. She's actively pushing towards a confrontation but I think even she realizes the consequences of a military confrontation between the most powerful nuclear states in the world. I think there are still some wise people in the Pentagon and the State Dep. who won't let it come to that. A coup will happen and she will be set aside. No one wants to destroy modern civilization because of some hardline SJW lunatic.

    I think you may be mistaken about the witch. She has never had to suffer the consequences of any questionable activities she has been involved in therefore she has no fear on regards to what will happen if Russia is attacked more than the current economic attacks. Mr. Putin has been very clear on what any military attack will bring and we can only hope that there are, indeed, some level heads in Pentagon and Langley. DoS is a total write off for the near and not so near future. That herd of morons is patently insane.
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    Post  Ispan Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:09 pm

    Hello, a request for help:

    A CENSORED BY SECURITY REASONS contacted me through my blog. From what he says, he is one of ours and seems legit. He is in Ukraine now, doing a report on the children from Chernobyl, he is moving to CENSORED BY SECURITY REASONSand then asked if I know any contacts that could help him to go to CENSORED and tell what is really happening there. Maybe any of the Russian members on this board can find out how to contact the Novorussia press agency or some other individual that can help him go to Donbass with a pass and can perform his work safely , or as safe as it can be in a war zone, without being arrested as a spy.

    I know that in theory civilians can cross the frontlines through checkpoints, but don't know what are the current conditions there.


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