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Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette
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Cucumber Khan wrote: Pretty sure it's simply a cost-cutting move. It will be interesting to see what the 20386 will be.
Looks like 20386 is alive and kicking
at least 12th of May
http://www.flotprom.ru/2015/Снсз7/
Sredne-Nevskiy shipyard - one of the leaders in composite shipbuilding Russia. On the eve of the International naval salon FlotProm prepared an interview with the General Director of the enterprise Vladimir Seredka who told you about technologies, the specifics of import substitution in industry and planned modernization of production facilities.
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One of the most interesting orders of the enterprise - the construction of a series of add-ons made of composite materials for new Russian corvettes. What is the advantage of these add-ons before metal? Historically there were two kinds of superstructures: steel and aluminum. The second appearance was due to the increasing demands for their weight. The steel superstructure is heavy, but if its volume is large, it begins to affect the stability of the ship. Of course, if the superstructure is small, it plays no role. But now their size is continuously growing, there is a lot of weapons, radio-electronic means. So, increasing the mass of the structure. Metacentric height begins to decrease and the vehicle becomes less stable on the course, on the reverse. In order to facilitate used aluminum. But it has negative side - it is very easily burns in the combustion process emits poisonous gas. Therefore, these add-ons are very dangerous for the crew. The composite material does not burn, it just smolders and gas does not emit. We checked in the test unit the difference between aluminum and composite when exposed to high temperatures. Aluminum is burned out completely, and from the composite workpiece only separated layers, but it is not fully burnt. Moreover, the composite material even easier. It is ideal for vehicle as it allows to put more equipment, weapons. Corvettes of project 20380 built including the far East, the Amur shipyard. Whether justified economically shipping add-on that distance? Shipping cost add-on is only 10% of the cost of their production. Relatively inexpensive. However, starting from next add-on, we decided to change the concept and to deliver the finished structure, but only its elements. Assembly to be manufactured in the far East, there is a small shop on composite materials. This, of course, reduce the cost of delivery.
Do you plan to make add-ons for larger ships? While we have a request for the production of the superstructure for the new generation Corvette project 20386. It will be large enough.[/b]
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Nice 
In Kolomna developed an engine that will replace imported counterparts on the ships of the Russian Navy
In Kolomna developed an engine that will replace imported counterparts on the ships of the Russian Navy
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Project 20386: The latest version of the Project 20380 series
First boat is expected to be laid down at the end of the year.
First boat is expected to be laid down at the end of the year.
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TheArmenian wrote:Project 20386: The latest version of the Project 20380 series
First boat is expected to be laid down at the end of the year.
There are VLS for ASW missiles but what about AAD?
TheArmenian wrote:And this is another project based on a mock-up that was shown at an earlier exhibition.
wow ! 50 knots kick @ss
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TheArmenian wrote:Project 20386: The latest version of the Project 20380 series
First boat is expected to be laid down at the end of the year.
Holy heck this looks sweet. I wanna know more, can you post link to the source?
I see 16 VL missiles. Where do the keep the rest of the armaments? Does it have any?
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PapaDragon wrote:TheArmenian wrote:Project 20386: The latest version of the Project 20380 series
First boat is expected to be laid down at the end of the year.
Holy heck this looks sweet. I wanna know more, can you post link to the source?
I see 16 VL missiles. Where do the keep the rest of the armaments? Does it have any?
This is supposed to be 76mm gun similar to 22160 project shown to Rogozin earlier on. BTW 16VL is to small to be UKSK, so guewss you´re right.
sources? I have found some but not sure what was used above :)n.
naval engineer blog
https://www.russiadefence.net/post?p=105267&mode=quote
Almaz representatives talk about new corvettes
http://www.oborona.ru/includes/periodics/navy/2015/0625/140716058/detail.shtml
paralay:
http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1553&start=420
But nos sure if pics are not just fan boys phantasies
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:......This is supposed to be 76mm gun similar to 22160 project shown to Rogozin earlier on. BTW 16VL is to small to be UKSK, so guewss you´re right.
sources? I have found some but not sure what was used above :)n.
naval engineer blog
https://www.russiadefence.net/post?p=105267&mode=quote
Almaz representatives talk about new corvettes
http://www.oborona.ru/includes/periodics/navy/2015/0625/140716058/detail.shtml
paralay:
http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1553&start=420
But nos sure if pics are not just fan boys phantasies
Could those blue containers below deck be Klub-K container missile launchers?
I think there is something similar on Project 22160 patrol ship.
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PapaDragon wrote:
Could those blue containers below deck be Klub-K container missile launchers?
I think there is something similar on Project 22160 patrol ship.
Can be but then lotsa place is wasted. BTW if all is in containers why not to pursue 22160?
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PapaDragon wrote:TheArmenian wrote:Project 20386: The latest version of the Project 20380 series
First boat is expected to be laid down at the end of the year.
Holy heck this looks sweet. I wanna know more, can you post link to the source?
I see 16 VL missiles. Where do the keep the rest of the armaments? Does it have any?
Here you go:
http://forums.airbase.ru/2015/06/t85910,103--ctorozhevye-korabli-korvety-proekta-20380-stereguschij-5.3776.html
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Corvette "Sovershennyy", built for the Pacific Fleet, will go to the outfitting area in the 2nd half of July.
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:This is supposed to be 76mm gun similar to 22160 project shown to Rogozin earlier on. BTW 16VL is to small to be UKSK, so guewss you´re right.
No, it's A-190 with a new casing.
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Could those blue containers below deck be Klub-K container missile launchers?
Can be but then lotsa place is wasted. BTW if all is in containers why not to pursue 22160?
Actually I think it is pretty clever... it means that it is rather more flexible... if you look at the image there are three under deck sections... from the rear appears to be recovery gear for towed equipment or speed boats or whatever, while the centre section has space for two containers for 8 long range land attack cruise missiles and a speed boat on each side, and the front section has a Kamov helicopter on a lift mechanism to raise it to the deck level.
Now the yellow overhead crane system actually covers the rear two sections so I rather suspect that if they wanted to they could load up to 4 blue containers in the middle section at the cost of the two large speed boats... that is 16 large cruise missiles.
Conversely if they know they wont need large cruise missiles and are on pirate patrol then I suspect the two small jet boats could have a Ka-226T sitting between them that can be moved forward onto the lift and raised to the deck for extra air support... or indeed a range of UAVs and underwater unmanned vehicles could be carried in the space freed up.
the rear section is interesting too... perhaps subs or two further speed boats could be stored on either side of the winch mechanism...
No, it's A-190 with a new casing.
Good... 100mm is rather more powerful.
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Another corvette of 20380 project will be laid in Amur shipyard tomorrow
Corvette "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov" for the Pacific Fleet (PF) Russia lay at the Amur Shipyard on July 22, said Tuesday the head of the press service of the Pacific Fleet Roman Martov.
This ship will be the third Project 20380 corvette, which will be built at the Amur shipyard for the Pacific Fleet.
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I hope that Amur shipyard is now more capable to finish that ship for less then 10 years 
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A spate of eye-catching photos of the most advanced Russian corvette, Boykiy, has been obtained by a correspondent from the Russian website defendingrussia.com.
View of Boikiy's cabin
Boikiy's AK-630M
Boikiy's guided missile complex
Boikiy's launching containers
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150904/1026600778/russia-corvette-photos-weapons.html#ixzz3kpSomv4Q
View of Boikiy's cabin
Boikiy's AK-630M
Boikiy's guided missile complex
Boikiy's launching containers
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150904/1026600778/russia-corvette-photos-weapons.html#ixzz3kpSomv4Q
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George1 wrote:Corvette "Sovershennyy", built for the Pacific Fleet, will go to the outfitting area in the 2nd half of July.
any update? Is there any chanches that this ship will be finished ? Ever
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marat wrote:George1 wrote:Corvette "Sovershennyy", built for the Pacific Fleet, will go to the outfitting area in the 2nd half of July.
any update? Is there any chanches that this ship will be finished ? Ever
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Thank you,
months of work will be needed to finish it, evenin faster shipyards, i hope they will make it during 2016....
Do you have any info about Gromky ( same shipyard) or about Gremyashchy or Provorny ?
months of work will be needed to finish it, evenin faster shipyards, i hope they will make it during 2016.... Do you have any info about Gromky ( same shipyard) or about Gremyashchy or Provorny ?
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marat wrote:Thank you,
Do you have any info about Gromky ( same shipyard) or about Gremyashchy or Provorny ?
I want to know when will they start building 20386? Gremyashchy is considered dead end...
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Even if they are "dead end" they should be finnished as soon as posible, Russia desperately need each modern ship.
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marat wrote:Even if they are "dead end" they should be finnished as soon as posible, Russia desperately need each modern ship.
I don't think they need that particular type of ship given time and money wasted. And after all this time it is not even remotely modern anymore...
Start fresh, 20386 or 22800 since they already want to build them, can't be worse than this boondoggle.
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Completed ships don't take up shipyard space... and the Russian navy has an enormous range of roles and missions that need to be performed... even a flawed new vessel is better than nothing.
A bird on the water is worth 1,000 times more than keel frames on the floor of a shipyard...
A bird on the water is worth 1,000 times more than keel frames on the floor of a shipyard...
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GarryB wrote:Completed ships don't take up shipyard space... and the Russian navy has an enormous range of roles and missions that need to be performed... even a flawed new vessel is better than nothing.
A bird on the water is worth 1,000 times more than keel frames on the floor of a shipyard...
Agreed on that.
What I was saying is: finish the ones still being built but only lay down new types of ships from now on.
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