Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

My understanding is that that is still an ARM but with backup guidance options...

A large radar generates a lot of heat that is rather hard to hide.

For instance an AWACS aircraft could be targeted based on its radar emissions, but if shut down when the incoming missile is detected then the missile would still detect the heat signature of the target and home in on the turned off radar system.

The same would apply to ground based radar... I would suspect with a naval vessel the IR signature of the vessel against the water at a different temperature would allow engagement but again I suspect the engagement of the radar would result in trivial/ie not terminal damage as the radar arrays would be hit but the hull would not likely be penetrated.

Of course taking out the main radar array would leave the vessel vulnerable to attack from more conventional missiles.

Did Russia buy that version? I was under the impression that they did not.

Have heard all sorts of rumours... mostly from western sources about them not working. If they want them their new vessels all have UKSK launchers which are compatible with Onyx, Zircon, Calibr... which is the long range land attack version of Klub, and also the rocket powered torpedo delivering Klub model.. I don't see why they would not buy the anti ship subsonic and anti ship supersonic models of Klub too... there is talk of a supersonic anti ship missile in Russian service with a range of 1,500km... sounds like supersonic Klub to me. the whole purpose of a subsonic cruising stage and a supersonic terminal stage is maximum range and max effect in the terminal phase... it ticks all the boxes.

KiloGolf wrote:

George1 wrote:The Pacific Fleet, a territorial division of the Russian Navy, plans to commission the corvette Sovershenny (Unbeatable) in the first half of 2017

The Sovershenny was laid down at the Amur shipbuilding yards in the Far East of Russia back in 2006 and launched in 2015. The Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy, Viktor Bursuk said last year the military hoped to put it into service before the end of 2016.

11 years for a corvette is terrible.
Also "first half of 2017" lingo has a familiar ring to it

It's more the tonnage of a light frigate but 11 years for a 3Ton ship is beyond terrible.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

George1 wrote:The Pacific Fleet, a territorial division of the Russian Navy, plans to commission the corvette Sovershenny (Unbeatable) in the first half of 2017

The Sovershenny was laid down at the Amur shipbuilding yards in the Far East of Russia back in 2006 and launched in 2015. The Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy, Viktor Bursuk said last year the military hoped to put it into service before the end of 2016.

11 years for a corvette is terrible.
Also "first half of 2017" lingo has a familiar ring to it

It's more the tonnage of a light frigate but 11 years for a 3Ton ship is beyond terrible.

Nothing to do with the structure. The problems are money and integration of Advanced system. Building just the structure can be done in less than a year.

TheArmenian wrote:Guys,

Please refrain from quoting KiloGolf.

Look at his posts on the various threads. He and his cohort (Militarov) are spreading only negativity about Russian Navy, Kuznetsov carrier, Russian welding etc. etc.

I give them the benefit of doubt for too long. But it turns out that they have an agenda. Enough is enough.
I don't want to waste my time reading their garbage.
So, I have used the ignore function for these clown posters and I am now enjoying the forum to its fullest.

It is up to you to reply to their cacophony. If you want to do so, please go ahead but don't use the "quote" function because their post will show up.

Thanks

In all fairness there I have seen them posts none negativity about russian gear.

That said it's no secret the Russian navy isn't in good shape there is nothing wrong with commenting on that. This is a forum for discussion no? no kiss assing.

Comments both negative and positive should be welcome. I have critical doubts about the Navy but I do think their aircraft and tanks are top notch stuff.

Covering the truth and not pointing at bad things you did will not help you to improve yourself.

Who is covering up the truth?

This is an internet forum... focusing on the bad things only and whining that Russia is not better than the US or the UK or the EU will not effect Russia in any way or form.

Addmiting that you made mistake and that you have a problem is first step in problem resolving.

Ahhh... so admitting that the Russian Navy is all crap will suddenly stop the Ukraine from sanctions restricting access to propulsion systems and all of a sudden Poliment redut will work fine.

Trolling on a forum wont solve any problems.

But there are sectors as shipbuilding industry in which they are not good enought today.

You say that... all the people involved should be fired I guess. There will always be problems.... with any navy... for instance the US Navy can't build a conventional sub to save its own ass... and its new carriers are ridiculously expensive sitting targets.

I hope they will be better and that next two Corvetes for Pacific fleet will be completed soon.

They will be ready when they are ready... how old are you... 12?

What is status of Gromkiy? He is also 4 years in production and that is also too long for ship of its size.

And that is the heart of the problem... a 2,000 ton ship must be completed within 3 years or else your navy is crap. What are the problems and issues? What solutions are there?

They could put out thousands of small ships and be building larger ships right now... it is easy... just make them crap with old technology and old weapons.

Russian ships are very good but they can't buy lot of them immediatly. Yassen, grigorovitch, gorshkov, impro kilo ... Very good but they have like one or two them that won't be decisive in a battle against NATO, that's why they are focusing on nulear weapons.

Russian navy is well trained and very good as a power, not superpower. Most navy's on the world won't attack them. But if you are comparing it with NATO yes it's a crap navy even French, german, UK, US navies are crap if you compare them with NATO. It's the richest countries with the best technlogy in one entity. You can't do anything against that. So having 1 gorshkov, 1 yassen and lot of older but still capable ship is more than enough for a one vs one comparison.

Against China, there are more and more comparison with china these days, it will act very good as china is not a blue navy at all and the SNA would just destroy all the pseudo-frigate destroyer that china has. The quality of their ship is really bad. 20 years ago they made 0 ship and now they build 40 per years. It's impossible they have good quality ships, the fact they make lot of them proves that they are chosing quantity over quality. The recent Attack on US ship with chinese missiles shows how it's easy to jamm them.

The same way a west navy like UK's won't be able to do anything against an alliance Russia-China. their destroyer don't even have anti ship missiles... So Russian navy is very good.

Like I said the shipyards are not bad. They achieve to produce any ship at time. The problems are integration of system and now they have issues with engines. They can produce easily 10 gorshkov in 2 years but it would be stupid as they don't have new engine and till recently they had issues with the anti air system.


Back to the topic, Steregoushy corvettes are very good for closed sea. Their paket-NK would be usefull in the black sea and near the cost in pacific to intercept (with the recent kilos) diesel subs and protect naval formations.

Well about time dam.

The pacific fleet should be getting the next five if I understand right after that this class won't be produced anymore.