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Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

GunshipDemocracy

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Post n°301

Re: Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

GunshipDemocracy Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:24 pm

PapaDragon wrote:

No surprise there, whole thing is a complete disaster. They should really design something usable from scratch because these junkpiles are dead end. Is it true that they do not even have kitchens installed on them? What do sailors on those bathtubs eat?

To be honest, you need to ask yourself how did it look Amur shipyards 5 years ago...how crap it was. Organizing company without financing and enough qualified workers is no easy task. Besides I am no fan of 20380 but replacing something is in series is not trivial task and time here is critical. US cannot delay default forever so more and more wars will be around. Russian fleet soon will be depleting quicker than is replaced in terms of corvettes or frigates.

PapaDragon wrote:
Swiped these, Boiky and Stoiky deployed last week. Does anyone know where these pics might have been taken?

Great Belt Bridge (Danemark -Sweden Smile

to me

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TheArmenian Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:04 am

PapaDragon wrote:

George1 wrote:Project 20380 corvettes delivery has been delayed

Deputy Defense Minister: Amur plant has delayed the state defense order

No surprise there, whole thing is a complete disaster. They should really design something usable from scratch because these junkpiles are dead end. Is it true that they do not even have kitchens installed on them? What do sailors on those bathtubs eat?

ALSO:

Swiped these, Boiky and Stoiky deployed last week. Does anyone know where these pics might have been taken?
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You remind me of ultron/resistance.
Don't worry, sailors on these corvettes are not starving. Watch the""Baltic fleet "" corvette vs submarine series to see with your own eyes.

The Boiky and Stoiky have indeed crossed the straits in Danemark and are now in the North Sea to troll NATO navies. And by the way, the sailors are having warm meal
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PapaDragon Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:45 pm

TheArmenian wrote:............
You remind me of ultron/resistance.
Don't worry, sailors on these corvettes are not starving. Watch the""Baltic fleet "" corvette vs submarine series to see with your own eyes.

The Boiky and Stoiky have indeed crossed the straits in Danemark and are now in the North Sea to troll NATO navies. And by the way, the sailors are having warm meal
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Let's keep this civil, I haven't insulted you and I expect same in return.

I am no fan of this class of ships (White Elephants to be more precise) and I have gone on the record about it before. They have been in ''production'' for nearly two decades and even if there were more than handful of them made (which there aren't) they would still be due for replacement simply on basis of being obsolete by now. And they were never even decent let alone good product to begin with.

Switching to new class of ships is matter of time and money. In this case there is no reason not to abandon this model. They take so long to build that they are due for upgrade even before they are finished and they cost as much as full sized frigate.

Somebody is getting both screwed and robbed blind here.

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wilhelm Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:39 pm

Sovershennyy, the first of the Amur built vessels, finally looks closer now to completion.
With this completion now imminent, and serving as the pattern ship for the shipyard, the other 3 vessels from this yard should hopefully follow much quicker.

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TheArmenian Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:00 pm

@ Papadragon,

Hey, take it easy.
I did not mean to offend you. Sorry if I did. In my books, you are one of the good guys here.

On the other hand, you are yourself being too harsh on this class of ships.

First of all, they have not been in production for 2 decades.
The lead ship (Steregushy) was laid down in 2001 and commissioned in 2007.
4 are already built and in service. 8 more are in construction.
The latest one (Rezky) was laid down earlier this month. So, if they are still ordering them, they must be satisfied with them.

What makes you say they are due for replacement?
What makes you think they are obsolete already?
What makes you say they need upgrades?

These relatively modest sized ships (2000T) come with the latest anti-air system (Redut) and the latest antisubmarine system (Paket).
They also carry a full-sized helicopter, large caliber modern gun, variable depth sonar, modern radars that we know very little about etc.etc.
So, what is exactly obsolete about them?

With so much cutting edge equipment (The equipment level is similar to a larger frigate), it is natural that they end up being a bit expensive. No wonder.

The relatively slow (by western standards) construction speed is not the ships fault. Blame it on the MoD not financing the projects quick enough and on the shipyard(s) slowness or maybe the equipment suppliers being tardy.

@ Wilhelm,

That photo you posted is at least 2 months old.

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wilhelm Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:43 pm

TheArmenian wrote:

@ Wilhelm,

That photo you posted is at least 2 months old.

Thanks. I assume then that it is probably a little further along then?
Any newer pics?
Also, has there been any release of a date on when they anticipate it will start trials?

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TheArmenian Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:58 pm

wilhelm wrote:

TheArmenian wrote:

@ Wilhelm,

That photo you posted is at least 2 months old.

Thanks. I assume then that it is probably a little further along then?
Any newer pics?
Also, has there been any release of a date on when they anticipate it will start trials?

No newer picture since then.
We don't know how much work has progressed since then.

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Post n°308

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PapaDragon Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:41 pm

First decent footage of Steregushi class corvette in quite a while, even some interiors too.

Hopefully with engine issue now finally solved they can fully switch to Gremashi class or even something newer (there was proposal for Tiger class) so RU Navy can finally get some mass produced stuff and put the whole corvette issue to bed.

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Post n°309

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sepheronx Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:24 pm

So we got confirmation on that? I know we were debating it a while ago since Gorshkov was pushed back to November.

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hoom Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:32 am

Well Shtil-1 works.

If it can be made to work properly Redut 20380 makes for a very powerful & useful Corvette IMO.
20385 is more like a light frigate but basically the same size, hopefully the AESA radar on that will be able to work properly with the 9m96es (if the issue isn't the missiles...)

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hoom Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:25 pm

it has a lock on after launch capability which means it can be fired blind and directed towards the target and get a lock on the target in flight after launch

True.

Can we finally stop discussing 9M96 missile and 20380 corvette already? They have no connection nor relation with one another.

20380 (other than Steregushchy with the Kashtan) has Redut & there are only 3 missiles associated with that launcher: 9m100, 9m96 & 9m96M.
There isn't any other missile for it to use & yes 20380 did have reported development problems/test fails.

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George1 Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:25 pm

Corvette "Sovershennyy" on the demagnetization

Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette - Page 13 YbrocHqHyz0

Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette - Page 13 UJ6jJ8yoOg8

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2146361.html

This ship was laid down 10 years ago... unshaven

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AlfaT8 Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:08 am

George1 wrote:Corvette "Sovershennyy" on the demagnetization

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2146361.html

This ship was laid down 10 years ago...

Amur shipyard??

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George1 Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:29 am

AlfaT8 wrote:

Amur shipyard??

Yes. First ship of that class for Pacific fleet

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hoom Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:23 am

Looks pretty far short of the completion state that other ships have been at for demagnetisation Neutral

Pretty unusual to do it tied up to a dock with all sorts of random chunks of steel still onboard/right next to it...

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hoom Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:52 am

One of the 20380s Soobrazitelnyy tested 9M96 vs surface target

Most AA missiles seem to have secondary anti-surface ability but pretty rare to see it used.
Fair bit of it going round lately, particularly US made a big hoo-hah about testing SM-6es, even our local mini-navy shot a couple of old Sea Sparrows at a target ship at RIMPAC.

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George1 Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:02 am

Corvette " Sovershenny" on demagnetization

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GunshipDemocracy Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:43 pm

TV Zvezda: The barrier: the Corvette "Resistant" and "Savvy" staged a duel in the Baltic sea

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Isos Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:33 pm

GunshipDemocracy wrote:TV Zvezda: The barrier: the Corvette "Resistant" and "Savvy" staged a duel in the Baltic sea

Did they shot down the Kh-35 or a drone ??

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hoom Sun Nov 20, 2016 1:51 pm

It's supposedly the Kh-35 fired from one shot down with 9M96 from the other.

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Rmf Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:48 pm

still using uran?? its a shame russia doesnt have stealthy subsonic antiship missile in this day....

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GarryB Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:58 pm

It does... the anti ship versions of Klub.

Stealth would be pointless for Uran and the upgraded Uran as they are active radar homing...

A better alternative for stealth is speed because most modern ships would have a good chance of detecting an incoming missile stealthy or not due to IR sensors and EO systems.

The solution of speed means no time to react effectively.

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Rmf Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:37 am

again this, you always same, going offtopic picking some sideline point- and driving with that, instead of adressing real question.- e.g. stealth subsonic antiship missile.

could kh-ushke from pak-fa programe be used....?

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GarryB Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:16 am

Me going off topic.. you are the one complaining about lack of stealth anti ship missiles for Russian corvettes.

Uran is the bargain basement missile... for upgrades and for ships that don't need anything better.

There is nothing wrong with the missile... it actually has better performance than the exocet or harpoon which would be the closest western equivalents.

When operating in a small enclosed area with the enemy in a known position and expecting to be fired upon then a single uran missile is not going to be a devastating weapon... nor is harpoon or exocet or anything else really.

Ships don't operate with their radars blasing away all the time scanning for threats... that gives away their position and gives up the element of surprise... when they don't have their radars on the Uran will get much closer before it is detected and when more than one is fired its chance of success will be much greater.

could kh-ushke from pak-fa programe be used....?

If you mean the latest version of the AS-11 it could only be used if the target is using its radar and the obvious problem there is that it would likely take out the targets radar but not sink the ship...

For most targets a Uran is fine... for better protected targets several Uran would probably still do the job. For most modern targets bigger than a corvette you would need Yakhont or the supersonic Klub or Zircon/Brahmos II.

Stealthy subsonic will be detected no matter how radar invisible it is... even old missiles are stealthy in that they don't emit radar signals so a target not scanning... which will be all the ones that don't want to be detected at long range and saturation attacked... wont see it till it is visual on EO or Thermal optics... for subsonic targets that gives little time... for supersonic targets next to no time at all.

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chicken Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:41 am

GarryB wrote:It does... the anti ship versions of Klub.

Did Russia buy that version? I was under the impression that they did not.

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