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    Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:51 am

    I know that appearances aren't everything but they could have cleaned her down couldn't they? Those decks are a disgrace.
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    Post  kumbor Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:00 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:I know that appearances aren't everything but they could have cleaned her down couldn't they?  Those decks are a disgrace.

    Evidently, the ship is in process of working up close to completion!
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    Post  hoom Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:01 am

    I know that appearances aren't everything but they could have cleaned her down couldn't they? Those decks are a disgrace.
    Not actually complete yet.
    Interestingly has only 1 set of Urans even.
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    Post  hoom Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:27 pm

    Status on 3rd ship for Pacific Aldar Tsydenzhapov (just flows off the tongue that one Neutral )


    Meanwhile Derzky seems to have got a delay https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20180905/1527848528.html
    Google Translate wrote:The corvette of project 20386 "Daring" will be transferred to the Russian Navy at the turn of 2021/22, the general director of the enterprise Igor Ponomarev told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.

    Four corvettes of the project 20380 and two corvettes 20385 have been built to the present. The corvette of the new improved project 20386 was laid at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in 2016.

    "The main difference between the project 20386 corvette is the modularity of its impact weapons, which differs even from the corvette 20385," Ponomarev said.

    At the same time, the general director stressed that, in agreement with the Ministry of Defense (Navy), all the design work will be carried out on the main ship so that in the future it would be possible to build the whole series on time without global changes. This, in particular, will contribute to the modularity of the ship.

    "We plan to complete the construction of the ship for about five years," the source added.
    So they're not going to start series production until its all completed?
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:08 pm

    hoom wrote:.......
    So they're not going to start series production until its all completed?

    This is seriously dumb approach.

    Yes, they should make sure everything works and be ready to make modifications but there is no way in hell that general shape and layout of the hull will be changing.

    Why don't they start cutting metal on several more ships so they can be ready to slap them together quickly after trials of first ship are done?

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    Post  hoom Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:38 am

    Thing I don't get about that is its supposed to be based on a full digital 3D design which should mean stuff is actually more likely to work to design.
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    (ignore the ?)
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    Post  hoom Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:45 pm

    First pic of Gremy mast un-scaffolded cheers
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    (Kasatanov at the back in drydock?)

    The new Pacific boat
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:18 pm


    Hold on a second!

    I see 12 UKSK cells in the front instead of planned 8.

    This is huge!!!
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:39 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Hold on a second!

    I see 12 UKSK cells in the front instead of planned 8.

    This is huge!!!


    As far as I know it has no UKSK vls cells, but only uran antiship missiles.

    I believe that they are the 12 redut vls cells. They should be standard in all 20381 (20385 has instead 8 UKSK in that position and 16 redut cells in the back). UKSK cells are  bigger in size than redut.

    I believe in this website there is a picture that shows the differences between vls cells position in 20381 and 20385

    https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/red-corvette-russia-ready-to-install-engines-in-its-new-stealth-warship
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:07 pm


    Gremashi has UKSK cells in the front and Redut in the back next to hangar doors

    It's the main difference from Steregushi class
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    Post  hoom Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:35 pm

    The 2nd pic is the 2nd 20380 in the Pacific, the one recently moved to Vladivostok by floating dock, those are Redut cells.
    My captioning wasn't entirely clear Embarassed
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:19 am

    Yup, it checks out.

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    Post  hoom Sun Sep 16, 2018 4:33 am

    That model of 20385 is inaccurate (I think early version), this is the correct version
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    Post  miroslav Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:11 am

    hoom wrote:First pic of Gremy mast un-scaffolded  cheers
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    The green tubes next to the ship, right behind the helicopter pad remind me of the green tubes that they use for transporting Kaliber missiles.

    There was a picture on the Grigorovic thread when they where loading the missiles in Sevastopol, green tubes like those where standing next to the ship.

    Right next to it is the Vsevolod Bobrov, project 23120 combat logistics ship. It's the sister ship to Elbrus that was commissioned earlier this year. One more ship should be under construction, the Kapitan Shevchenko.
    These ships will be crucial for the Arctic region operations.
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    Post  hoom Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:51 am

    Does rather look like missile tubes there Suspect
    But feels like a lot too early for that sort of thing, even if they're about to start sea-trials they would surely want to do testing of pretty much everything else before loading missiles.
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    Post  hoom Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:56 am

    Interesting pic via reddit
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    Its Steregushchy in 2015, I always get surprised at how large & deep the sonar dome is on these things.
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    Post  kumbor Fri Sep 28, 2018 9:30 am

    hoom wrote:Interesting pic via reddit
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    Its Steregushchy in 2015, I  always get surprised at how large & deep the sonar dome is on these things.

    Starting from early 60s Americans were the first to put sonar in a bulbous sonar dome in bow. Russians did it only in 1135 Burevestnik - Krivak and on. Such a dome also enhances sea keeping due to added buoyancy, but the anchors should be arranged differently. It affects draught, but it`s normal,
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    Post  hoom Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:14 pm

    Yes I know that, just its proportionally particularly large on the small 20380 design, same sonar is used on the bigger 22350 & from recollection its a development from the Udaloy bow sonar.
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    Post  hoom Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:24 pm

    Uran shooting & reload at sea
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    Post  kumbor Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:54 pm

    hoom wrote:Yes I know that, just its proportionally particularly large on the small 20380 design, same sonar is used on the bigger 22350 & from recollection its a development from the Udaloy bow sonar.

    Sonar used on Gorshkov is much bigger and has longer range!
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    Post  hoom Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:13 pm

    They're both Zarya M.
    Some sources say version 2 on 20380 & version 3 on 22350 but I couldn't find any reference to what the difference is.
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    Post  kumbor Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:35 pm

    hoom wrote:They're both Zarya M.
    Some sources say version 2 on 20380 & version 3 on 22350 but I couldn't find any reference to what the difference is.

    Difference is in size and in range. Zarya is rather big sonar in general.
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    Post  hoom Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:03 am

    2nd Pacific 20380 starting de-perming
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    Post  hoom Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:50 am

    de-perming
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    Post  Labrador Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:53 pm

    hoom wrote:That model of 20385 is inaccurate (I think early version), this is the correct version
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    The mast, antennas different but no changes for armament a light frigate and small 9M100 SAMs can be quadpacked in Redut cell's clearly more capable than 20380 1st variant
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