Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

Full name is Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov

I never actually noticed before but really long name plates are kind of a Russian thing
Big K also has a very long name Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov, they split it across two lines with Kuznetsov much bigger


Gorshkov is actually Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov
Name plate is beside the heli-pad


The 11356 class are just Admiral xxx though


I look forward to that Military Acceptance episode getting translated, there is some real interesting looking stuff in that.

franco wrote:

Hole wrote:

hoom wrote:The name plate


Not fake, you can see it in this pic

Pretty sure it also shows no rear facing radar panels on the stub mast.

Can you imagine the guy having a second name?

Builder: We can´t name the ship after him.
Admiral: Why?
Builder: Ship is to short!

I believe it is a she??

ЦЫДЕНЖАПОВ - HE (ON)

ЦЫДЕНЖАПОВА -SHE (ONA)

My bad! Had mixed picture and story up with a female WWII naval hero. Here is the story for the sailor this ship is named after...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldar_Tsydenzhapov

Oh wow, recent & definitely brave.

Video of the roll-out

Can see that it doesn't have rear corner panels (one of them has a ladder where the panel would be) but there is a logo in the shot that would show if there was a 3rd panel on the aft face.

2nd 20385

Russian shipbuilders in final stretch to test cutting-edge missile corvette

Now the corvette has switched to the trials of the helicopter-borne system

ST. PETERSBURG, October 4. /TASS/. The delivery team of the Severnaya Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwest Russia has carried out 70% of all the work as part of the shipbuilders sea trials of the Project 20385 lead corvette Gremyashchiy, the Shipyard’s press office reported on Friday.

"The Project 20385 corvette Gremyashchiy continues undergoing shipbuilders’ trials in the Baltic Sea. The shipbuilders have fully completed testing the main propulsion unit in various speed modes, the navigation and communications systems and checked the ship’s performance and maneuverability and its habitability and life support conditions," the press office said in a statement.

"The crew is checking the armament systems. Overall, the Severnaya Shipyard’s delivery team has closed 70% of performance certificates. Now the Gremyashchiy has switched to the trials of the helicopter-borne system," according to the statement.

The Gremyashchiy is the Project 20385 lead corvette laid down on February 1, 2012 and floated out in June 2017. The corvettes of this Project developed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau are designated to detect and destroy enemy submarines and surface ships, provide for troop landing and cope with numerous green-water tasks.

The corvette Gremyashchiy will become the first warship in the Pacific Fleet to carry Kalibr cruise missiles. The warship is expected to enter service with the Pacific Fleet by the end of 2019. Project 20385 envisages a hangar for a Ka-27 helicopter.

Project 20385 corvettes displace 2,200 tonnes, have an operating range of 3,500 miles and their sea endurance is 15 days. They are armed with Kalibr-NK universal missile systems, Redut anti-aircraft missile complexes and Paket anti-submarine warfare technology.

https://tass.com/defense/1081481

“Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov” (third corvette of project 20380 under construction in Amur Shipyard) was launched.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3812191.html

Corvette Gremyashchiy to carry Tsirkon hypersonic missiles, says Putin

KALININGRAD, October 31./TASS/. The corvette Gremyashchiy will be equipped with cutting-edge hypersonic anti-ship missiles Tsirkon, President Vladimir Putin said as he toured the vessel in Russia’s northwestern city of Kaliningrad on Thursday.

Getting on board the corvette, the president examined it, as well as familiarized himself with the weapons systems and equipment. The corvette’s commander, Captain 2nd Rank Roman Dovgailov drew attention of the president to the bow section, where the launch containers for Kalibr missiles are located, saying that Tsirkon missiles could be placed there in the future.

"It will certainly have Tsirkon," the president replied, addressing Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu. The minister smiled and nodded. Then, the president wished the commander happy sailing and successful state trials.

https://tass.com/defense/1086428

Gremy arrived in Severodvinsk for weapons testing.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3838245.html

With the array of missiles this ship will carry, it is one fearsome (and pretty) little beast. !!!I think the strategy of the Russian Navy is smaller ships with immense missile capability and drones that can cover and attack targets in a massive radius. Its hard to imagine this little ship with Tsirkon would have sliced Bismark in two without them even knowing where it came from.

mnztr wrote:With the array of missiles this ship will carry, it is one fearsome (and pretty) little beast. !!!I think the strategy of the Russian Navy is smaller ships with immense missile capability and drones that can cover and attack targets in a massive radius. Its hard to imagine this little ship with Tsirkon would have sliced Bismark in two without them even knowing where it came from.

I kinda disagree. It's frigates and destroyers that should be very well armed. Corvettes should provide anti air and anti sub capabilities over anti ship since the air force will have its own "Zirkons" and fighter-bomber are better suited to deal with ships than other ships.

Corvettes should be cheap, like the basic Steregouchshy which was quoted at 120 million for export version (so russian variant is half of that price) so that they can have lot of them to protect their waters efficiently.

Last variants of Steregouchshy like this Gremy are as expensive as frigates and not that usefull for their price and the way they are used (around the shores). Their anti ship role can be done by the air force, their land attack role can be done by cheaper karakurt or land based truck mounted kalibr launcher for 20 times cheaper, their radar/anti air are too much expensive and could have been changed for something less powerfull because it's not even sure they can use the long range 9m96e2 but only the 40km 9m96 (cheaper shtill-1 or tor could do as good as that). Their anti sub role is perfect but could also be replace by a simple Gepard frigate which is much cheaper to buy and to operate.

With the money of that ship they could have had probably 3-4 karakurt or almost 1 gorshkov or 2 first variant of Steregoushchy.

They spend huge amount of time and money on improving  and building corvettes. What they need is many cheap missile boat (karakurt), many cheap corvettes (Steregoushchy), many expensive state of art frigates (Gorshkov), and few destroyer (Gorshkov m).

It does have a pretty good operating radius but not sure what its sea handling capabilities are. Perhaps the bulbous bow and extra size are to improve this and make it essentially into a frigate with a smaller foot print. EDIT - it does have 7400 KM cruising range, so I think the concept they are testing is mini frigate. If they can make it work delivering close to the same firepower in half the displacement is a win. Plus I think the lack of Turbines has forced them to try out this concept.

Isos wrote:
I kinda disagree. It's frigates and destroyers that should be very well armed. Corvettes should provide anti air and anti sub capabilities over anti ship since the air force will have its own "Zirkons" and fighter-bomber are better suited to deal with ships than other ships.

Corvettes should be cheap, like the basic Steregouchshy which was quoted at 120 million for export version (so russian variant is half of that price) so that they can have lot of them to protect their waters efficiently.

Last variants of Steregouchshy like this Gremy are as expensive as frigates and not that usefull for their price and the way they are used (around the shores). Their anti ship role can be done by the air force, their land attack role can be done by cheaper karakurt or land based truck mounted kalibr launcher for 20 times cheaper, their radar/anti air are too much expensive and could have been changed for something less powerfull because it's not even sure they can use the long range 9m96e2 but only the 40km 9m96 (cheaper shtill-1 or tor could do as good as that). Their anti sub role is perfect but could also be replace by a simple Gepard frigate which is much cheaper to buy and to operate.

With the money of that ship they could have had probably 3-4 karakurt or almost 1 gorshkov or 2 first variant of Steregoushchy.

They spend huge amount of time and money on improving  and building corvettes. What they need is many cheap missile boat (karakurt), many cheap corvettes (Steregoushchy), many expensive state of art frigates (Gorshkov), and few destroyer (Gorshkov m).

Isos wrote:

mnztr wrote:With the array of missiles this ship will carry, it is one fearsome (and pretty) little beast. !!!I think the strategy of the Russian Navy is smaller ships with immense missile capability and drones that can cover and attack targets in a massive radius. Its hard to imagine this little ship with Tsirkon would have sliced Bismark in two without them even knowing where it came from.

I kinda disagree. It's frigates and destroyers that should be very well armed. Corvettes should provide anti air and anti sub capabilities over anti ship since the air force will have its own "Zirkons" and fighter-bomber are better suited to deal with ships than other ships.

Corvettes should be cheap, like the basic Steregouchshy which was quoted at 120 million for export version (so russian variant is half of that price) so that they can have lot of them to protect their waters efficiently.

Last variants of Steregouchshy like this Gremy are as expensive as frigates and not that usefull for their price and the way they are used (around the shores). Their anti ship role can be done by the air force, their land attack role can be done by cheaper karakurt or land based truck mounted kalibr launcher for 20 times cheaper, their radar/anti air are too much expensive and could have been changed for something less powerfull because it's not even sure they can use the long range 9m96e2 but only the 40km 9m96 (cheaper shtill-1 or tor could do as good as that). Their anti sub role is perfect but could also be replace by a simple Gepard frigate which is much cheaper to buy and to operate.

With the money of that ship they could have had probably 3-4 karakurt or almost 1 gorshkov or 2 first variant of Steregoushchy.

They spend huge amount of time and money on improving  and building corvettes. What they need is many cheap missile boat (karakurt), many cheap corvettes (Steregoushchy), many expensive state of art frigates (Gorshkov), and few destroyer (Gorshkov m).

Have to agree with all that

But I would add that its not even the Gremyashchiy's that are so expensive; they shouldn't be too much more expensive than the Stereguschiy - but the Project 20386 class which is near twice the price of the Steregushiy/Gremyaschiy. In any case the Gremyaschiy doesn't look to be getting ordered anymore.

All the more absurd since Project 20386 has actually gone back to the Uran missiles (unless the Kalibr 'module' is employed)
They tried to make it modular and stealth and of composite everything. What they ended up with is a F-35 lemon.

At this point they should just go back to the Steregushiy with some improvements, new tech and lessons from the Project 20385 & 20386 experience
Multifunctional, proven technologies and weapons. No expensive materials. No modules. Stealth a secondary consideration.

20386 is quite a different ship with turbine power plant and 1000 tons more displacement.

Corvettes are remnants of previous defense doctrine from time when wars were over and corvettes were supposed to be backbone of entire fleet

Times and doctrine have changed and now backbone are to be missile ships for local zone and frigates for far zone

Corvettes are now just additional assets, middle ground but not great for either

That's why they were sent to back burner

Corvettes are perfectly fine for the relatively coastal, enclosed spaces that are the main areas of concern for most of the fleet.
They just need a whole heap of them.
6* 20385s per fleet would be a really big capability improvement.

Edit: even just filling out the rest including the 20380s to 6 per fleet.

Doctrine is constantly changing. The latest gen missiles are much smaller and more deadly. Before Frigates were the core of the blue water fleet, it was cruisers, then destroyers, and now frigates. 12-15K tons then 9K tons now 5-7. Who says smaller ships 3500T cannot fullfill the same role. A destroyer hit by a hypersonic missile is dead meat anyway. So as long as a corvette has the range and arms, the idea has potential

PapaDragon wrote:
Corvettes are remnants of previous defense doctrine from time when wars were over and corvettes were supposed to be backbone of entire fleet

Times and doctrine have changed and now backbone are to be missile ships for local zone and frigates for far zone

Corvettes are now just additional assets, middle ground but not great for either

That's why they were sent to back burner

The problem is that technology has also changed.... corvettes used to be fairly weakly armed patrol boats except for the small missile boats with supersonic anti ship missiles which made them patrol boats with the fire power of a battleships broadside.

Yeah but that's a useless comparison. Frigates, destroyers and cruisers have also evolved and are still more powerfull than a corvette.

Isos wrote:

The problem is that technology has also changed.... corvettes used to be fairly weakly armed patrol boats except for the small missile boats with supersonic anti ship missiles which made them patrol boats with the fire power of a battleships broadside.

Yeah but that's a useless comparison. Frigates, destroyers and cruisers have also evolved and are still more powerfull than a corvette.

Sure but you assume you are relying on a ship to ship battle. On a 1-5 ship to ship battle 1 corvette vs 5 destroyers its STILL not clear if all 5 of the destroyers wiil not end up on the bottom. It all comes down to who can get their missiles launched first and who has better ECM.

Remember the sinking of the Eilat, its lessions are still revelant today. The missiles are 1000x more deadly.

A single Corvette equipped with drones can sail out and deliver firepower to a massive radius of sea space with these missiles. If big bullies are headed there a flight of TU-22s or Mig-31s can deliver a hammer blow. Or a submarine can send a hail of missiles at some point along their journey.

Sure but you assume you are relying on a ship to ship battle. On a 1-5 ship to ship battle 1 corvette vs 5 destroyers its STILL not clear if all 5 of the destroyers wiil not end up on the bottom. It all comes down to who can get their missiles launched first and who has better ECM.

If you want to launch a missile you need a radar detection. 5 destroyers will come with 5-10 helicopters and will have the advantage.

With a cheap corvette you will end up with 5 corvettes vs those 5 destroyers and air cover with some sukhois.

Remember the sinking of the Eilat, its lessions are still revelant today. The missiles are 1000x more deadly.

A single Corvette equipped with drones can sail out and deliver firepower to a massive radius of sea space with these missiles. If big bullies are headed there a flight of TU-22s or Mig-31s can deliver a hammer blow.

I never said corvettes are useless. I think the opposite actually. They are very cheap options if you want ships to protect your water.

But they don't need to be expensive.

A steregouchshy can deal with any NATO ships because it has 12 redut cells for 9m96 and CIWS and all nato ships have only 8 anti ship missiles. It carries a ka-27 with a radar of 250km aginst ships to provide radar info to it kh-35. It can also stop a sub with its paket nk and send the ka-27 with a torpedo to kill it.

With its cheap design they can afford many of them to go 1 vs 1 ship scenerio against any navy. That's why chinese are building 70 type 056 corvettes.


The only thing it can't face is a carrier group because they would be overwhelmed and for that reason Russia needs destroyers/cruisers and yasen with 32-40 VLS.


Frigates will do the same work as corvettes but far away without coming to close from enemy country or carrier. But they need more weapons that can go further and better radars to see far away. Corvettes "long range" part is done by the air force or naval air wing.

If russia has no intention patroling far away but just countering US carriers then they only needs nuclear destroyer and cruisers and many corvettes.
If they want to also patrol far away then they need a balanced fleet with fewer corvettes, many frigates (that can also be used around their mainland) and some nuclear cruisers and no destroyers.

Isos wrote:

If you want to launch a missile you need a radar detection. 5 destroyers will come with 5-10 helicopters and will have the advantage.

With a cheap corvette you will end up with 5 corvettes vs those 5 destroyers and air cover with some sukhois.

drones will replace helos as radar plaform I am not sure why you expect corvettes to be cheap. They have all the same basic parts as a destroyer if they are going to be any good they will have espensive weapons systems. Steel is not that expensive.

When you have similar corvettes with significantly differing weapons systems the enemy is not going to know what they are dealing with. Is this the one with 150km missiles or hypersonic 500KM missiles..yikes!!!