Project 2038.0: Steregushchy Corvette

Isos wrote:

The problem is that technology has also changed.... corvettes used to be fairly weakly armed patrol boats except for the small missile boats with supersonic anti ship missiles which made them patrol boats with the fire power of a battleships broadside.

Yeah but that's a useless comparison. Frigates, destroyers and cruisers have also evolved and are still more powerfull than a corvette.

But their basic weapons systems and radars are similar. Its kinda like a gun with 6 vs 14 rounds. You only need one kill shot. By spreading the capability into 3 smaller ships you can sail them in a triangle formation and cover a HUGE area, one gets hit you have 2 left. With a destroyer, one gets hit you are done. Plus the corvette will have a smaller radar sig as another +

You are wrong. Corvettes carries the same weapons but not the same radars, electronics, power plant and have less crew.

A Gorshkov will create a bubble of around 150km with its missiles and 300km with its radars while a corvette 45km and 150km respectivly.

The bigger the ship is the more powerfull everything inside will be (so more expensive).

Isos wrote:You are wrong. Corvettes carries the same weapons but not the same radars, electronics, power plant and have less crew.

A Gorshkov will create a bubble of around 150km with its missiles and 300km with its radars while a corvette 45km and 150km respectivly.

The bigger the ship is the more powerfull everything inside will be (so more expensive).

I don't think its clear what radar 20386 will be equipped with yet. It is a one for one replacement for 11356 frigates and only 600T less displacement,

Russian cutting-edge missile corvette enters White Sea for state trials

The corvette will test-fire its main missile system against various types of targets, according to the Northern Fleet's press office

MOSCOW, December 6. /TASS/. The Project 20385 lead corvette Gremyashchiy armed with Kalibr cruise missiles has entered the White Sea for state trials, the press office of the Northern Fleet reported on Friday.

"For several days, the corvette’s crew will check the ship’s systems and mechanisms at sea and test radio-technical armament with the help of the Northern Fleet’s aviation. Besides, the corvette will test-fire its main missile system against various types of targets," the press office said in a statement.

The Gremyashchiy is the Project 20385 lead corvette laid down at the Severnaya Shipyard on February 1, 2012 and floated out in June 2017. The corvettes of this Project developed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau are designated to detect and destroy enemy submarines and surface ships, provide for troop landing and cope with numerous green-water tasks.

Project 20385 corvettes displace 2,200 tonnes, have an operating range of 3,500 miles and their sea endurance is 15 days. They are armed with Kalibr-NK universal missile systems, Redut anti-aircraft missile complexes and Paket anti-submarine warfare technology.

https://tass.com/defense/1096629

It is planned to build ten corvettes of project 20380 at the Amur Shipyard

Speaking on December 26, 2019 at the laying ceremony at the Amur Shipbuilding Plant PJSC (Shipyard, part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the Ussuriysk small missile ship , project 22800 (code "Karakurt") with the factory No. 204, Rear Admiral Igor Korolev, deputy commander of the Pacific Fleet for armaments, said in particular :.

“Perhaps the outgoing year was not rich in the delivery of new ships, but the third ship being laid for construction for the Pacific Fleet certainly indicates that this plant can handle any series of orders. Including ten corvettes of project 20380, which are so necessary for our fleet in the Pacific Ocean. I think that this will be a good gift for you, and there will be rhythmic and well-coordinated work for the whole plant. ”


Later in the New Year's address to the NEA staff, the director of the plant V.V. Kulakov said :

“There are good prospects for continuing the construction of corvettes on our slipways for the Pacific Fleet. The command of the Pacific Fleet, in this desire of ours, fully supports us and makes every effort to implement it. ”


On the bmpd side, we recall that so far PJSC Amur Shipbuilding Plant has already built two project 20380 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet - Perfect (serial number 2101, transferred to the Russian Navy on July 20, 2017) and Loud (serial number 2102 , delivered December 25, 2018). The third corvette of project 20380 is in completion at the NEA"Hero of Russia Aldar Tsydenzhapov" (serial number 2103, was launched on October 21, 2019), and under construction in the shed - corvette "sharp" (serial number 2104).

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3891493.html

Corvette "Retivy" withdrawn from the boathouse of the Northern Shipyard

According to reports, on December 25, 2019, at the Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant PJSC (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation JSC - USC) in St. Petersburg, the Retivy corvette (serial number 1007) under construction for the Russian Navy was removed from the boathouse. modified project 20380. The launching of the ship is scheduled for the first quarter of 2020, but, apparently, will depend on the ice situation. The withdrawal from the boathouse of PJSC Severnaya Verf Shipbuilding Plant of the Retive Corvette (serial number 1007) of the modified project 20380 being built for the Russian Navy via forums.airbase.ru)

Recall that Severnaya Verf carried out earlier construction and handed over to the Russian Navy four corvettes of project 20380 - "Steregushchiy" (serial number 1001, the lead ship of project 20380, acceptance certificate signed on February 28, 2008), "Sobrazitelny" (serial number 1002, delivered October 14, 2011), "Boyky" (serial number 1003, delivered May 16, 2013) and Racks th " (serial number 1004,July 18, 2014).

Further construction of corvettes for the Russian Navy at the Severnaya Verf was supposed to be carried out according to the revised project 20385. The lead ship of the project 20385 Gremyashchy (serial number 1005) was laid down at the enterprise on February 1, 2012 (it was withdrawn from the boathouse on June 16, 2017, launched 30 June 2017, he began factory sea trials on April 21, 2019), and the second - "Agile" (serial number 1006) - was laidJuly 25, 2013 (launched in September 2019). However, due to the fact that the project 20385 corvettes were supposed to be equipped with MTU German diesel engines, the supply of which became impossible due to Western sanctions imposed against Russia in 2014, the further construction of the project series 20385 was discontinued, and the Russian Navy returned to the construction of project 20380 corvettes by once again adjusted project.

From the previous corvettes of project 20380, the Retivy (serial number 1007) and Strogii (serial number 1008) ships differ mainly in the installation of the new Zaslon multifunctional radar complex with the placement of fixed antennas in a tower-like superstructure, similar to project 20385 corvettes. Radar complex "Barrier" is also set in the third and fourth project 20380 corvettes being built at PJSC "Amur Shipbuilding plant" in Komsomolsk-on-Amur - "Hero of Russia Aldar Tsydenzhapov" (for odskoy number 2103, founded July 22, 2015, derived from the boathouse September 12, 2019, launched on water 21 October 2019) and "sharp"(serial number 2104, laid down on July 1, 2016).




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RuN considere buying 10x 20380 steregushchy class ships for the pacific fleet.

But their basic weapons systems and radars are similar. Its kinda like a gun with 6 vs 14 rounds. You only need one kill shot. By spreading the capability into 3 smaller ships you can sail them in a triangle formation and cover a HUGE area, one gets hit you have 2 left. With a destroyer, one gets hit you are done. Plus the corvette will have a smaller radar sig as another +

The numbers concept really only works with enormous unmanageable numbers.... an air port can deal with one or a dozen birds... it can't deal with 100,000 birds...

Three corvettes wont have the fire power or sensor range or capacity of a much bigger boat and will be easier to destroy.

One Kirov would have been much harder to take on than 6 Sovremmenys because its missile ranges are superior and its radar and the coordination of its air defence systems is better.

It has changed a bit now with the data communication and distribution system between all platforms, but Russian corvettes likely wont carry S-500 missiles and likely wont often carry 400km or 250km range S-400 based missiles either, but they will have 150km and 60km range shorter missiles that will make them rather capable and their ability to carry Zircon is also a huge step up... not just Zircon and Onyx, but also land attack cruise missiles with ranges of up to 5,000km and the other weapons they are developing, but bigger ships are still worth building... and with a lot of ships having a carrier to provide air cover to support their operations also makes sense too.

RuN considere buying 10x 20380 steregushchy class ships for the pacific fleet.

Nice...

Isos wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3891493.html

RuN considere buying 10x 20380 steregushchy class ships for the pacific fleet.  

On one hand I believed that they wanted to have all new Russian ships to have UKSK in order to be able to launch Calibrs and Oniks (and eventually Zyrkons), but 20380 have only uran launchers, unless they do not mean 20385.

On the other hand they are also building karakurt missile ships for the Pacific fleet(both there and in Vladivostok) and Amur has already built 20380 large corvettes, albeit taking a lot of time. Furthermore a large order for a ship they have already mastered to produce is a sensible thing and can allow them to refine their skills, train more people and plan loans and expenses to modernise the shipyard.

Any new ship for the pacific fleet is welcome. They are in very bad shape and desperatly need surface ships to protect SSBN and keep japanese away from the Kurils.

They propose tge Steregoushchy with UKSK for export. They may fit a launcher to the design without going for a 20385 class.

But IMO they should take 3 of the planed 10 and send them in the black sea and bring the Moskva to have 2 Slava cruiser) in the Pacific. In the north they will have upgraded nakhimov and the other slava.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

Isos wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3891493.html

RuN considere buying 10x 20380 steregushchy class ships for the pacific fleet.  

On one hand I believed that they wanted to have all new Russian ships to have UKSK in order to be able to launch Calibrs and Oniks (and eventually Zyrkons), but 20380 have only uran launchers, unless they do not mean 20385.

On the other hand they are also building karakurt missile ships for the Pacific fleet(both there and in Vladivostok) and Amur has already built 20380 large corvettes, albeit taking a lot of time. Furthermore a large order for a ship they have already mastered to produce is a sensible thing and can allow them to refine their skills, train more people and plan loans and expenses to modernise the shipyard.

There are very few potential surface targets in the Pacific band what few there are can be handled by Gremashis, Karakurts upgraded Udalois

Priority is protecting SSBN bastion from submarines and Steregushi corvettes are more than capable for it

Mercury-class is still a ways off and Gorshkovs will be going to North first so this is a good solution

Russian cutting-edge corvette test-fires shipborne weapons during trials in Barents Sea

The corvette has been undergoing trials at the Northern Fleet’s combat training ranges since November 13

MOSCOW, January 14. /TASS/. The Project 20385 lead corvette Gremyashchiy held torpedo fire against an underwater and a surface target, testing new armament in the Barents Sea, spokesman for the Northern Fleet Vadim Serga said on Tuesday

"The corvette operating in the Barents Sea under the program of state sea trials delivered torpedo fire against an underwater and a surface target. During the fire, a new naval weapon suite was successfully tested," the spokesman said.

The crews of a nuclear-powered submarine and the Northern Fleet small anti-submarine warfare ship Snezhnogorsk provided for the corvette’s trials, simulating the enemy, he said.


The corvette has been undergoing trials at the Northern Fleet’s combat training ranges since November 13. The warship earlier fired Kalibr and Oniks cruise missiles against coastal and naval targets in the White Sea, and also test-fired artillery guns.

The Gremyashchiy is the Project 20385 lead corvette laid down at the Severnaya Shipyard on February 1, 2012 and floated out in June 2017. The corvettes of this Project developed by the Almaz Central Marine Design Bureau are designated to detect and destroy enemy submarines and surface ships, provide for troop landing and cope with numerous green-water tasks. The corvette entered a new stage of trials on December 6.

Project 20385 corvettes displace 2,200 tonnes, have an operating range of 3,500 miles and their sea endurance is 15 days. They are armed with Kalibr-NK universal missile systems, Redut anti-aircraft missile complexes and Paket anti-submarine warfare technology.

The corvette was named after the Northern Fleet’s legendary destroyer Gremyashchiy that fought during the Soviet Union’s 1941-1945 Great Patriotic War against Nazi Germany. For its successful operations at sea during the war, the destroyer was awarded the Guards title while its commander, 1st Rank Captain Anton Gurin was bestowed with the Hero of the Soviet Union title.

https://tass.com/defense/1108315

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Izvestia reports that the next 2 Project 20380 Steregushchiy-class corvettes, the Retiviy and Strogiy, will receive Zaslon radars with a 300km range that can detect stealth aircraft at 75km. It can detect small, low-flying targets like cruise missiles/UAV

Isos wrote:
Rob Lee
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Izvestia reports that the next 2 Project 20380 Steregushchiy-class corvettes, the Retiviy and Strogiy, will receive Zaslon radars with a 300km range that can detect stealth aircraft at 75km. It can detect small, low-flying targets like cruise missiles/UAV

of course not sea skimming but on altitude.

Isos wrote:

No Redut VLS (replaced with Kortik)?

Errr...  No, not buying it.

Incompetent journo has taken a graphic of the 1st hull Steregushchy and revised it with new tower superstructure without realizing she isn't typical of the series.

No Redut VLS (replaced with Kortik)?

Errr... No, not buying it.

Who knows ? That was the original design, it makes the ship cheap. But could also be an add for showing that it can carry the zaslon radar and the actual ship will carry redut.

That was the original design, it makes the ship cheap.

Zaslon makes it definitely not cheap.

Going 'back' to Pantsir-M instead of the silly Furke-Redut has been something I've thought might be a good idea.
While Furke is insufficient for controlling 9M96 it could be a good combo with the 40km Pantsir-M.

But Pantsir-M is probably quite a lot more expensive than Furke-Redut...

Zaslon + Pantsir-M doesn't make much sense either imo.


Almost certainly this is just an artist fail.
Not helped by the fact Furke + Kashtan equipped 20380 doesn't officially have a different designation from Furke-Redut 20380.
The latter is designated 20381 on some websites etc but doesn't seem to be an actual official designation.

Pantsir needs a L band surveillance radar. It already has its own targeting radar.

Zaslon and its 300km range would definitly allow the use of 150km range 9m96E2 but then it would be goodbto have two sets of redut for 24 missiles where the original had 12.

Zaslon + Pantsir-M + 16* redut aft of the hangar (20385 style)?
But it certainly wouldn't be cheap.
You might as well just build more 20385s & gain a bunch of UKSK cells for the fleet.

Isos wrote:Any new ship for the pacific fleet is welcome. They are in very bad shape and desperatly need surface ships to protect SSBN and keep japanese away from the Kurils.

They propose tge Steregoushchy with UKSK for export. They may fit a launcher to the design without going for a 20385 class.

But IMO they should take 3 of the planed 10 and send them in the black sea and bring the Moskva to have 2 Slava cruiser) in the Pacific. In the north they will have upgraded nakhimov and the other slava.

Japan's ambition lies far beyond the southern Kurils. If they can, they would invade Sakhalin. Thankfully, China and South Korea will keep Japan at bay with their powerful navies.

Gremy finished state tests & preparing to return to Baltic.
https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F5/

I think this is just 1st round of state tests though, its specifically tested Calibr, Onyx, Paket & 'interactions with aircraft' but no mention of 9M96 firing so I'm assuming it'll be back later for those.
Maybe needs some fixes first?

Amur Shipyard may receive an order for the construction of up to 10 project 20380 corvettes for the Pacific Fleet.
10 of these ships are valued at more than 180 billion rubles, and the signing of a firm contract may take place as early as 2021, says one of the interlocutors.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3942513.html

Retivy is being launched 12 March
https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C6/

And recent pic showing the mast


Somehow I'd got the impression this was one of the Amur built ones but this is Severnaya Verf

hoom wrote:Retivy is being launched 12 March
https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C6/

And recent pic showing the mast
https://2020.f.a0z.ru/03/08-8417521-20380-retivyj-severnaya-verf-07.03.2020.jpg

Somehow I'd got the impression this was one of the Amur built ones but this is Severnaya Verf

Easy to make mistake, Amur is doing that same design

Looks like this new mast is now standard feature on all new hulls

The new mast and AESA radar panels is a great upgrade but the lack of a UKSK is still the 20350s achilles heel. It simply can't achieve its potential without the ability to carry the current crop of heavy ordnances like Kalibre, Oniks & Zircon.