Kimppis wrote:Why only include "air superiority" fighters, KiloGolf?
He are his estimates for 2025 from the Su-27 thread:
AMCXXL wrote:
2021-2025 54 planes per year:
12 Su-57
12 Su-35
18 SU-30SM
12 Su-34M
Then the total will be in 2025:
200 Su-34
240-250 Su-30SM (140-150 VKS & 100 in Navy)
166 Su-35
24 SU-27SM(3)
75 Su-57
705-720 planes
630-640 "Flankers"
In 2030:
200 SU-34
240-250 Su-30SM (140-150 VKS & 100 in Navy)
166-190 SU-35 (6 - 7 regiments)
135-165 Su-57 (5 regiments if 6th, then after 2030)
740-805 planes
And that doesn't even include 150 MiG-31BMs.
So he's not wrong. They don't actually need to upgrade those Su-27s. Sure, maybe they could be useful in 2020, but only five or so years later, not so much.
Hello:
This was a discussion about number of
newly built aircrafts we can expect until 2025, so the MiG-29 and MiG-31 are excluded, and also the Su-27 except the Su-27SM3 new and modernized (if in the end they modernize some)
Since the huge cuts of 2009 , the RuAF has been operating about 600 fighters , and this included all less Su-33 because all the regiments less 279 KAIP were trensfered back to airforce in the reform of that year.
About 240 Su-27 , 240 MiG-29 and 125 MiG-31
Nowadays , the numbers basically are the same because the mew airplanes are replacing the older , and also there were a lot of planes retired and regiments cuttued fron 3 to 2 squadrons after 2013
However the Navy received again in late 2014 some regiments from the Airforce, so now there are about 630 figthers , 520 in RuAF and 110 in Navy
The total number of 700 only for the RuAF in 2025 is not real because the main increase will be the Su-30SM in the Navy, in the RuAF is necesary to wait for the Su-57
The modernized Su-27 will be retired in 2025 or 2026 , and the MiG-29 about 2020 except some UB´s of instructons centers
Basically we can expect in 2020-2025:
6 regiments of Su-27/35 + kubinka , lipestk, etc...
4 regiments of MiG-31 + Savasleyka
3-4 regments of Su-30SM + kubinka, etc...
0-1 regiments of MiG-29SMT and 1 squsdron now in Astrakhan
and later, 2 regiments of Su-57 in 2025
MiG-35 only in suqdrons (Erebuni, Kubinka, Astrakhan)
16 regiments and some squadrons
In the Navy:
2 regiments "flankers" (Kaliningrado and 279KIAP)
3-4 regiments Su-30SM (if there are regiment for Pacific Fleet)
2 regiments or squadrons of MiG-31
7/8 regiments
This means at least 25% of the airplanes will be in the Navy, so is not posible 700 in the RuAF. Only if Su-34 is included it is possible to overcome that number
There will be 600 in RuAF and 150-200 in te Navy
Anyway is necesary wait for the new State Armament Program