Chengdu J-20 Stealth Fighter

Stealth Fighter Showdown: China's New J-20 vs. Russia's Super T-50 PAK-FA

Dave Majumdar
November 2, 2016



China’s J-20 stealth fighter is making headlines around the world--and for obvious reasons. While the plane has been seen in various testing phases for some years now, the aircraft just made its official debut at an airshow in China--a symbol of Beijing’s growing military muscle.

Combined with China’s new aircraft carrier (with a second now nearing completion, the first built in a Chinese shipyard, by the way), various types of advanced antiship weapons, multiple versions of advanced submarines and more, Beijing clearly is on a course (many argue already is) to become one of the world’s most dangerous military powers, alongside Russia and America.

But how would China’s new stealth jet do in open warfare? Could it really tangle with the world’s best? Here is a question: What about a matchup against Russia’s new 5th generation fighter, the PAK-FA. Last year, TNI’s Defense Editor, Dave Majumdar, explored this question. So who would win?

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The J-20, which is powered by engines intended for the Sukhoi Su-27, is at a huge disadvantage. Compared to the PAK-FA, the J-20 is underpowered and wouldn’t have the energy addition to keep up. Moreover, the PAK-FA has three-dimensional thrust vectoring for outstanding low speed handling. That means the Russian aircraft probably has the edge in turn rate, turn radius and high angle of attack performance. But if both sides have high off-boresight missiles and helmet-mounted cueing systems, with a little luck, the J-20 might get a lucky shot—however, the PAK-FA probably still has the edge.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/stealth-fighter-showdown-chinas-new-j-20-vs-russias-super-t-18265

miketheterrible wrote:And this is why I cant take what you say with a straight face.  The national Interest is probably one of the most pathetic news stories out there.  On par with CNN.  Onion has far more legitimacy in their articles even if satirical.

GarryB wrote:Perhaps you find a better quality article and we can discuss... until then this stuff is not worth bothering to read.

PS. You/me/anyone not liking the source has nothing to do with the quality in sparking a meaningful discussion.

Chinese Stealth J-20 Jet Enters Service With PLA

China has put its new Chengdu J20 stealth fighter jet in service, in efforts to develop a marine corps and a “first class” Navy, while simultaneously narrowing the military gap with US. Beijing’s military is undergoing major upgrades, complete with advanced submarines and anti-satellite missiles, all under the supervision of President Xi Jinping.

Chinese planespotters first saw the J20 in 2010, and the public got its first glimpse of the craft at the Zhuhai airshow in November 2016. The military channel on China’s state television confirmed that the plan had entered service on Thursday.

What remains to be seen is whether the J20 can evade radar with the same aptitude as Lockheed Martin’s F-35 strike jet, or Lockheed’s air-to-air combat jet F-22 Raptor. The development of the new Chinese aircraft began in the late 1990s and had its first flight in 2011.

In November 2016, aviation journalist Andreas Rupprecht wrote in the Aviationist, "The J-20 is a giant leap for the PLAAF both capability-wise and technology-wise. Did anyone of us expect a Chinese stealth fighter to be operational before 2020 when asked in, let’s say, 2010?"

The speed of the craft’s development outpaced that of the F-35, and was specifically built to exploit a weakness in the US Air Force airborne early warning and control aircraft, and unarmed aerial refuelers.

In 2014, while then-US President Barack Obama was attending an Asia-Pacific summit in China, Beijing presented an unfinished J-31 twin-engine jet, a craft meant to compete with the F-35.

What Chinese did is staggering. They developed a 5th gen plane in 5 years.

Isos wrote:

GarryB wrote:

What Chinese did is staggering. They developed a 5th gen plane in 5 years.

Is it actually 5th gen?

Based on what we know about their engines it probably has 4th gen fighter engines... what is the quality of the other systems?

Anyone can take a shell that looks stealthy and fill it with air plane bits and call it a 5th gen fighter... I mean south korea could easily make an F-35 like shell with a better shape and put bits of late model F-16 inside it and call it a 5th gen fighter... it means nothing really.

Not that I am putting down the Chinese... the this generation or that generation number is meaningless. If this aircraft is useful to China and they can make it in sufficient numbers to get that job done because it is not ridiculously expensive like the F-35 is then good on them...

J-31 will be more dangerous I think. They used all the data the hacked from F-35 program. The last prototype was different from the others because they manage to implement US copied tech on it.

George1 wrote:The Ministry of Defense of the PRC officially announced the adoption of the J-20 fighter into service



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2873137.html

KiloGolf wrote:

George1 wrote:The Ministry of Defense of the PRC officially announced the adoption of the J-20 fighter into service



https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2873137.html

Meanwhile, Russia is still dragging their feet with the PAK FA. It's been about 8 years now since that thing took off publicly for the first time.
China seems to have surpassed them.

PapaDragon wrote:
This is tweaked MiG 1.44 with some stealth parts and shitty engines

Looks cool but I'll wait for next thing

ATLASCUB wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
This is tweaked MiG 1.44 with some stealth parts and shitty engines

Looks cool but I'll wait for next thing

The Chinesse borrowed from everyone with this plane.