The Russian newest warships have so many things in the outside exposed to be captured by Radar signals.. things are not covered like it happens in latest NATO warship.
They are not supposed to be invisible to radar... those big four faced radar antennas built into the main mast will be operating a lot of the time.
the Gorshkov is more like a Rafale... a LO ship not a stealth ship.
Have said it before... will say it again... law of diminished returns... make a ship low observable and it will cost $100 million... all the changes needed to make it stealthy will cost $100 billion. Neither the western or Russian vessels will be stealthy in all radar frequencies... long wave radar stealth just doesn't exist.
Because the appearance of things is also important. ,specially for hardware that cost billions..
Bullshit. No one won a war because their uniforms looked pretty.
Nobody bought equipment because it looked pretty.
There is something called psychological impact of your military projection..
There is... and it has nothing to do with what your weapon platforms look like because most enemies will never see them in real combat. the mental impact of mach 3 anti ship missiles penetrating those pretty shiny angled NATO ships will have all the mental effect Russia wants.
That also helps , perhaps you will not understand this because your mosquito brain.. but is a fact that the first appearance matters.. so far the first appearance of Russian hardware is always cause jokes.. people laugh at the rusty warships or the un-stealthy things.. I have yet to see a single plane or warship that Russia makes that people consider it modern.. Is a fact that people judge things for the way it look..then why not have your newest hardware to not only perform very well but looks perfect?
Those people are idiots.
Immerse a large metal object in salt water and it rusts. Look at a close up photo of any ship that has been in sea water.
Keep the personal abuse to yourself. Just because you don't understand that salt water + time equals rust...
Go and look the real Gorshkov in close shot.. and see if you notice the rusty parts here and there ,discolored other parts and poorly painted in a warships that is supposed to represent Greatness of Russian Navy ?
What are you smoking? Who said the Gorshkov is supposed to represent the greatness of the Russian Navy? Why would a frigate represent the greatness of any navy?
If your next generation warship or Submarine is revealed to the world with poor quality conditions..
it will create the opposite effect of what Russia intended to create.. instead of impress their competition.
it will create jokes and disrespect .
Maybe they want to be underestimated? Maybe it is all just a plan to lull NATO into a false sense of security so the complete rearmament of the Russian military does not cause NATO to do the same so Russia will be ready and NATO wont...
they are building a frigate that has comparable or better capabilities to destroyers and cruisers and you are getting pissy because they don't paint it enough?
RUssia have a huge problem of poor quality projection in their military industry.. everyone consider them the quality of everything they make inferior whether is Cars or warships or planes.. This is terrible from business point of view..
The world is split into will and wont.... part of the world will buy Russian stuff and a few spots of rust on a ship wont make fuck all difference to them. Part of the world wont and those that wont will act like everything they are trying to sell is on fire or radio active.... it is clearly the latter you are talking about and who gives a fuck what they think?
Really who cares if the US Navy wont buy Su-33s for their carriers, or Australia wont buy Su-35s to replace F-18s and Su-34s to replace F-111s? It is not lost money if they never had any intention of buying them in the first place.
Brazil and Argentina both PRO Russian nations prefer to buy European Planes than Russian ones(that are way superior).. the reason is always the same.. Russia is not really good in projecting European standards in quality of their equipment.
Bullshit. It has more to do with US and western pressure... ask France how easy it is to deal with Russia... and not Russias fault either.
There are millions of ways to deal with pirates and small boats without sacrificing a warship space for weapons that will never see use against NATO warships since they will never fight at visual distance. Patrol Boats , or Corvettes Escorts for example.. Also much lower caliber guns.. they will save a lot of space that can be used for more Missile power .
So why does the french frigate have a gun? Why do fighter planes still have guns?
You say Russian ships should be focused on fighting NATO? Why? They are 1000% more likely to deal with pirates and smugglers and illegal fishermen than NATO... which version of Onyx would you suggest for use against a medium sized container ship?
See above.. lower caliber guns can do that.. Coast Guard boats can do that.. without a fucking big Gun that again will be useless against any potential conflict against NATO..
And troops just landed on a beach coming under fire call in coordinates... do you fire a laser guided 130mm shell costing $600 or a 2,500km range land attack cruise missile costing a million dollars?
Not really , the leader have most things hide in the foredeck .. Gorshov have the classical design in the fore-deck with hundreds of things outside not covered.. so shows it will be stronger its radar signal.
Seen from the high angle the photo is taken from the radar will be close enough to be detected and engaged. From a shallower angle from further away the things on the deck will be hidden by the railing and therefore radar invisible.
Any SU-27 upgraded can equally defend Russian airspace.. Is not like Russia needs a stealth plane to defend their airspace..
No it can't. Being difficult for NATO to spot using airborne fighter radar and AWACs, it will be rather easier for PAK FA to "surprise" NATO aircraft inside and outside Russian airspace and it will be much harder to target by NATO air forces. With only Meteor and AMRAAM long range missiles in the UK and US armoury all PAK FA needs to do is be an invisible target for those missile radar seekers and they are safe from long range attack by UK and US aircraft... which means the combination of PAK FA and Su-35 and MiG-35 will be a very potent force indeed... and much more capable than with just upgraded Su-27s alone.
Go and read Air power Australia Review of Pak-FA it was ok but not as good as F-22.
Hahahahaha... and Air Power Australia will also tell you the Su-34 is a nice strike aircraft but still not as good as the F-111...
Perhaps if that review was from personal experience in developing both aircraft it might have valid conclusions, but they haven't even tested the serial aircraft for the PAK FA so we don't even know what the final aircraft will look like exactly.
yes it does.. It is missing the cover of their rear engines .. if you do an stealth plane you do it right or not do it at all.
F-35 is not stealthy from the rear either...
And thats because they wanted the warship to be more forward looking its design more stealthy. Is not an ice breaker it was never meant to do that.. Russia use icebreakers to move in the front of their warships when they travel the artic when a need exist.
So it can't operate in the north sea because any ice that forms on the front main gun can't be removed because it would not be safe to send any crew onto the front deck as there are no safety rails.
Heavy ice on the front could cause the boat to capsize.
Again for the people that cannot read,my observations Have nothing to do with combat capabilities of the Gorshkov.. my observations is about Russia power projection , what image they project.. showing rusty planes or warships you are not going to impress anyone..
Yes... I understand... you are getting bitchy because the new Russian stuff isn't as pretty as western stuff.. but look at this picture... sorry it is so small, but you can see the rust around the anchor and a couple of rust spots further down the side and this is a Gerald R. Ford–class aircraft carrier... pride of the US Navy...
They spend half a trillion dollars a year on defence surely they can afford a bit of paint for the pride of their navy... their flagship... what will foreign countries think seeing this old rust bucket limping into view?
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