Ukraine Military: Situation and Needs

In Ukraine, will start production of a new «Forpost» 6×6 troop carrier. The new is a Ukrainian is a Troop Carrier featuring full body armor with capability to handle all types of terrains and produced by Kiev company “Reform”. The «Forpost» is specifically for applications, where quick and reliable transport solution for a large number of troops is required with all-terrain capabilities. This vehicle’s mobility, great manoeuvrability make it highly relevant in modern military and civilian applications. The «Forpost» based on KrAZ-6322 and V shaped hull design offers unprecedented protection for the crew against mine and IED blasts."



Looks quite sad.

Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/in-ukraine-will-start-production-of-a-new-forpost-6x6-troop-carrier.html

The new advanced weapons -- American Barrett high-performance sniper rifles -- have entered service with the National Guard of Ukraine.

Interior Minister of Ukraine Arsen Avakov wrote on Facebook, Censor.NET reports.

"Some news about the National Guard. We put the squeeze on procurement! The new standard weapons have entered service with the National Guard detachments countering breakthrough forces penetrating through our defense lines as well as enemy subversive reconnaissance groups.

"1. Our snipers in all combat detachments of the National Guard will be able to use these powerful and sophisticated weapons against the enemy manpower and equipment after a short training.

"BARRETT high-performance sniper rifles.

"Model M107A1 produced by Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, Inc, USA.



Contents of delivery

Barrett M107A1 rifle - 1 pc.
Leupold MR4 4-5-14 scope - 1 pc.

"2. We have also prepared something new for the tanks and armored personnel carriers of the aggressor:

"Rocket tandem grenade DRTG-73



"The projectile is designed to pierce armored vehicles including explosive reactive armor (ERA) equipped ones. It is the rocket tandem grenade, which means that it has two shaped charges arranged one after another activated in sequence. The first 55-mm caliber charge destroys ERA, the second 105.5-mm caliber is capable to pierce up to 700-mm-heavy armor. The firing range is less than 200 meters." Source: http://en.censor.net.ua/p354052

DRTG-73 is Bulgarian product http://vmz.bg/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/DRTG-73.pdf quite interesting. It seems to be basically RPG22 with certain improvements.

Sources:
https://www.facebook.com/arsen.avakov.1/posts/911375355619238
http://en.censor.net.ua/photo_news/354052/barrett_largecaliber_sniper_rifles_entered_service_with_national_guard_interior_minister_photos

"The Ukrainian troops undergo training on military training center «Shyrokyi Lan». A raid unit took up position in the imaginary enemy’s rear and took up defensive positions. The personnel along with ammo for replenishment landed from Il-76 and An-26 aircrafts. The landing was organized on the back of counterattack of the enemy’s anti-aircraft defence. The pilots of Su-25 worked attack targets as part of a pair, countering MANPADS missiles and leaving the base at low altitude. And every day they worked with different type of weapons. Some exercises have been devoted to working out escape from enemy fighters."



















Source: http://defence-blog.com/news/ukrainian-troops-undergo-training-at-shyrokyi-lan.html

GarryB wrote:Might want to check those sources Militarov... the image you posted of the rocket launcher and the rocket does not look like a 105mm weapon and the Bulgarian rocket launcher states it is a 73mm calibre weapon with a 40mm precursor and a 73mm main charge.


The first 55-mm caliber charge destroys ERA, the second 105.5-mm caliber is capable to pierce up to 700-mm-heavy armor. The firing range is less than 200 meters."

Sounds like a Pg-7VR for an RPG-7 or the equivalent  rocket for the RPG-29 or RPG-27.

Well aware of that, i posted it in original state as they were posted by Ukrainians with that reason together with sources so you guys can see coz i did not find much logic there, Bulgarians market it as simply 73mm AT-HEAT weapon, basically looks like RPG22 to me.

While Ukrainian guy is reporting something different, he probably made a mistake while typing or just made up stuff on the spot. Measures do not fit either for RPG7 or RPG29s thats the issue and i doubt Bulgarians would start inventing "warm water" they would just simply copy original solution as they always do, also he said "firing range is less than 200m", this looks like disposable AT weapon to me, so only logical explanation is that he made it up on spot coz he did not have or he forgot exact measures, however this exact information is being repeated on multiple sources and i reported them as i found them.

ИЗСТРЕЛ ATDR-7VM С ПРОТИВОТАНКОВА ГРАНАТА ATDG-7M: http://vmz.bg/продукция/концептуални-модели/изстрел-атдр-7вм-с-противотанкова-гран/ This is closest match i could find regarding RPG7 like warhead in Bulgarian production

And here you have all their disposable launchers, again none matches what they claimed there in articles: http://vmz.bg/продукция/реактивни-гранати-гранатохвъргачка/



So my guess is that its DRTG-73 just with messed up characteristics by Ukrainians.

"Turkey and Ukraine’s biggest defense firms have started negotiations that will most likely end up in a cooperation deal for tank modernization programs. Turkish Aselsan and Ukraine’s Ukroboronprom are exploring ways to undertake joint programs designed to upgrade tanks. The cooperation will later expand into upgrading artillery and personnel carriers, one Aselsan official said.

The Turkish-Ukrainian talks came at a time when Russia, Turkey’s top trade partner and main natural gas supplier, became both countries’ foe. Military electronics specialist Aselsan announced Nov. 30 that it signed a contract with the Turkish government to produce and deliver an indigenous system designed to protect tanks and armored vehicles from anti-tank rockets and missiles."

Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/turkey-now-in-talks-to-upgrade-ukraines-tanks.html

Militarov wrote:"Turkey and Ukraine’s biggest defense firms have started negotiations that will most likely end up in a cooperation deal for tank modernization programs. Turkish Aselsan and Ukraine’s Ukroboronprom are exploring ways to undertake joint programs designed to upgrade tanks. The cooperation will later expand into upgrading artillery and personnel carriers, one Aselsan official said.

The Turkish-Ukrainian talks came at a time when Russia, Turkey’s top trade partner and main natural gas supplier, became both countries’ foe. Military electronics specialist Aselsan announced Nov. 30 that it signed a contract with the Turkish government to produce and deliver an indigenous system designed to protect tanks and armored vehicles from anti-tank rockets and missiles."

Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/turkey-now-in-talks-to-upgrade-ukraines-tanks.html

With the Ukrainian currency in the pits any work done in Ukraine will appear very cheep to other countries. Their main selling point.

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:"Turkey and Ukraine’s biggest defense firms have started negotiations that will most likely end up in a cooperation deal for tank modernization programs. Turkish Aselsan and Ukraine’s Ukroboronprom are exploring ways to undertake joint programs designed to upgrade tanks. The cooperation will later expand into upgrading artillery and personnel carriers, one Aselsan official said.

The Turkish-Ukrainian talks came at a time when Russia, Turkey’s top trade partner and main natural gas supplier, became both countries’ foe. Military electronics specialist Aselsan announced Nov. 30 that it signed a contract with the Turkish government to produce and deliver an indigenous system designed to protect tanks and armored vehicles from anti-tank rockets and missiles."

Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/turkey-now-in-talks-to-upgrade-ukraines-tanks.html

With the Ukrainian currency in the pits any work done in Ukraine will appear very cheep to other countries. Their main selling point.

Tho big question stays what Ukraine would assist Turkey with, i doubt Turks are after M48 modernisation. So M60s then? I doubt its Leopard 1, Germany is always more than happy to support such overhauls and modernisations.

Yandex translate. From BMPD Looks like the Yanks want to strip any interesting technology. Sorry, assist in the future development.

According to the French Bulletin "Intelligence online" in the article "Motor Sich, fer de lance de l'industrie en US Ukraine", the Ukrainian manufacturer of aircraft engines JSC "Motor Sich" (Zaporozhye) has become the subject of increased attention by the American defense companies.

According to the publication, several delegations of American manufacturers of military electronics for the past weeks met with leaders of the Ukrainian company "Motor Sich". Manufacturer of engines for military transport aircraft An-124 transport helicopters and Mi-17 remains under the control of the government in Kiev. The Pentagon turned to the companies of L-3 Communications and Raytheon to increase the number of projects in the field of engineering and technologies with a Ukrainian manufacturer. According to several sources, "Intelligence online", according to the American plan it is assumed on the basis of "Motor Sich" to create a real defensive holding, which would correspond to Western technological standards, capable of repairing and upgrading the armament of the Ukrainian army. This military equipment used in combat conditions with the equipment that serve all assigned deadlines. In this regard, the overhaul of Mi-8 can be a priority.

Militarov wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:"Turkey and Ukraine’s biggest defense firms have started negotiations that will most likely end up in a cooperation deal for tank modernization programs. Turkish Aselsan and Ukraine’s Ukroboronprom are exploring ways to undertake joint programs designed to upgrade tanks. The cooperation will later expand into upgrading artillery and personnel carriers, one Aselsan official said.

The Turkish-Ukrainian talks came at a time when Russia, Turkey’s top trade partner and main natural gas supplier, became both countries’ foe. Military electronics specialist Aselsan announced Nov. 30 that it signed a contract with the Turkish government to produce and deliver an indigenous system designed to protect tanks and armored vehicles from anti-tank rockets and missiles."

Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/turkey-now-in-talks-to-upgrade-ukraines-tanks.html

With the Ukrainian currency in the pits any work done in Ukraine will appear very cheep to other countries. Their main selling point.

Tho big question stays what Ukraine would assist Turkey with, i doubt Turks are after M48 modernisation. So M60s then? I doubt its Leopard 1, Germany is always more than happy to support such overhauls and modernisations.

Two way deal. Cheap ERA for Turkey. While better thermal cells for KMDB.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:"Turkey and Ukraine’s biggest defense firms have started negotiations that will most likely end up in a cooperation deal for tank modernization programs. Turkish Aselsan and Ukraine’s Ukroboronprom are exploring ways to undertake joint programs designed to upgrade tanks. The cooperation will later expand into upgrading artillery and personnel carriers, one Aselsan official said.

The Turkish-Ukrainian talks came at a time when Russia, Turkey’s top trade partner and main natural gas supplier, became both countries’ foe. Military electronics specialist Aselsan announced Nov. 30 that it signed a contract with the Turkish government to produce and deliver an indigenous system designed to protect tanks and armored vehicles from anti-tank rockets and missiles."

Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/turkey-now-in-talks-to-upgrade-ukraines-tanks.html

With the Ukrainian currency in the pits any work done in Ukraine will appear very cheep to other countries. Their main selling point.

Tho big question stays what Ukraine would assist Turkey with, i doubt Turks are after M48 modernisation. So M60s then? I doubt its Leopard 1, Germany is always more than happy to support such overhauls and modernisations.

Two way deal. Cheap ERA for Turkey. While better thermal cells for KMDB.

Yeah i suppose Ukr would like to lay hands on Peri-eye cameras or Eagle-eye FCS from Aselsan.

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Militarov wrote:"Turkey and Ukraine’s biggest defense firms have started negotiations that will most likely end up in a cooperation deal for tank modernization programs. Turkish Aselsan and Ukraine’s Ukroboronprom are exploring ways to undertake joint programs designed to upgrade tanks. The cooperation will later expand into upgrading artillery and personnel carriers, one Aselsan official said.

The Turkish-Ukrainian talks came at a time when Russia, Turkey’s top trade partner and main natural gas supplier, became both countries’ foe. Military electronics specialist Aselsan announced Nov. 30 that it signed a contract with the Turkish government to produce and deliver an indigenous system designed to protect tanks and armored vehicles from anti-tank rockets and missiles."

Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/turkey-now-in-talks-to-upgrade-ukraines-tanks.html

With the Ukrainian currency in the pits any work done in Ukraine will appear very cheep to other countries. Their main selling point.

Tho big question stays what Ukraine would assist Turkey with, i doubt Turks are after M48 modernisation. So M60s then? I doubt its Leopard 1, Germany is always more than happy to support such overhauls and modernisations.

Two way deal. Cheap ERA for Turkey. While better thermal cells for KMDB.

Yeah i suppose Ukr would like to lay hands on Peri-eye cameras or Eagle-eye FCS from Aselsan.

Yup, although the Aselsan FCS could be largely comparable to the "Dettleff" FCS the Ukrainians had access to while they proposed the Yatagan version of their own Oplot (for the initial Turkish MBT tender). Yatagan being a very good tank for the early 2000.

Ukrainian "documentary" featuring great victories of T64BM Bulat aganist Russian T72B3/BA or whatever version it was in Donbass

"Turkey's government is ready to consider the supply of necessary military equipment for Ukraine, Ukrainian MP Mustafa Dzhemilev said in an interview with RBC-Ukraine.

"Frankly speaking, three days ago I personally delivered the letter from the Ministry of National Defence of Turkey to the Ukrainian Minister of Defence [Stepan Poltorak], in which it stated Turkey is willing to consider the supply of necessary equipment, although it did not specify the exact type. The military delegation of Turkey is expected to arrive in Ukraine soon," Mustafa Dzhemilev said. Dzhemilev said that Turkey is not obliged to agree with NATO in order to supply weapons made in Turkey. "The Alliance should approve the supply of weapon, which is located within the NATO states. Although, when it comes to the weapon that is made directly by Turkey, it is the country's personal decision whether to supply weapons or not," said the MP.

Recently the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Pavlo Klimkin called for negotiations on de-occupation of Crimea in the Geneva Plus format with the participation of Turkey and international organizations. On February 13, during the meeting of the Normandy Quartet, Ukraine's Foreign Affairs Minister is expected to raise the issue of de-occupation of Crimea. On February 4, the European Parliament adopted another resolution on Crimea. It urged Russia to start a dialogue with Ukraine and praised the steps of the Ukrainian side prior to the talks. In the document, the European Parliament calls on the Council to keep the sanctions against Russia until the end of the occupation of Crimea and its return to Ukraine."

Source: http://uatoday.tv/news/turkey-may-start-supplying-military-equipment-to-ukraine-588328.html

Militarov wrote:

Ukrainian "documentary" featuring great victories of T64BM Bulat aganist Russian T72B3/BA or whatever version it was in Donbass

Mash'allah! Oh wait...

Some images of the Ukrainian armour after one of their Epic Victories against the massed might of the whole Russian army at Novohryhorivka in December 2014.

Can anyone identify the rocket that appear to be carried or mounted in aluminium? tubes with a square cross section. The presence of fins near the nosecone suggests to me (in my ignorance) a steerable device. Is it an anti-aircraft missile?









The images are from this article

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/jerry24-it.livejournal.com/1372438.html

short_fuze wrote:Some images of the Ukrainian armour after one of their Epic Victories against the massed might of the whole Russian army at Novohryhorivka in December 2014.

Can anyone identify the rocket that appear to be carried or mounted in aluminium? tubes with a square cross section. The presence of fins near the nosecone suggests to me (in my ignorance) a steerable device. Is it an anti-aircraft missile?









The images are from this article

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/jerry24-it.livejournal.com/1372438.html

Looks like OSA to me.

short_fuze wrote:Some images of the Ukrainian armour after one of their Epic Victories against the massed might of the whole Russian army at Novohryhorivka in December 2014.

Can anyone identify the rocket that appear to be carried or mounted in aluminium? tubes with a square cross section. The presence of fins near the nosecone suggests to me (in my ignorance) a steerable device. Is it an anti-aircraft missile?









The images are from this article

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/jerry24-it.livejournal.com/1372438.html

Osa-AKM ( SAM-8 ).

Militarov wrote:

short_fuze wrote:Some images of the Ukrainian armour after one of their Epic Victories against the massed might of the whole Russian army at Novohryhorivka in December 2014.

Can anyone identify the rocket that appear to be carried or mounted in aluminium? tubes with a square cross section. The presence of fins near the nosecone suggests to me (in my ignorance) a steerable device. Is it an anti-aircraft missile?









The images are from this article

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/jerry24-it.livejournal.com/1372438.html

Looks like OSA to me.

Yeah, the rusted BAZ-5939 vehicle chassis was a dead-giveaway.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Militarov wrote:

short_fuze wrote:Some images of the Ukrainian armour after one of their Epic Victories against the massed might of the whole Russian army at Novohryhorivka in December 2014.

Can anyone identify the rocket that appear to be carried or mounted in aluminium? tubes with a square cross section. The presence of fins near the nosecone suggests to me (in my ignorance) a steerable device. Is it an anti-aircraft missile?









The images are from this article

https://z5h64q92x9.net/proxy_u/ru-en.en/jerry24-it.livejournal.com/1372438.html

Looks like OSA to me.

Yeah, the rusted BAZ-5939 vehicle chassis was a dead-giveaway.

Thanks Magnum, Medo and Militarov

Presumably they were needed to take out the massed fighter aircraft of the Novorossian airforce

"Mr. Anatol Şalaru, Minister of Defence of Moldova, invited General of the Army of Ukraine Stepan Poltorak, Minister of Defence of Ukraine, to visit the ceremonies on the occasion of the Day of Independence of Moldova at the end of August.

Moreover, a Ukrainian unit may take part in this parade. General of the Army Stepan Poltorak supported this idea.

“It is very interesting and useful to develop the relations between our countries through cooperation of servicemen,” the Minister of Defence of Ukraine said."

Source: http://defence-blog.com/army/ukrainian-servicemen-to-participate-in-parade-on-occasion-of-the-day-of-independence-of-moldova.html

Space age technology