The Situation in the Ukraine. #24

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If you think I'm being harsh then you should hear what Yakov Kedmi has to say about this scum of the Earth.

It is shocking to see that the UA is still openly assembling huge numbers of troops and concentrate them on specific areas despite the fact that all attempts of major assaults have been thwarted by Russian satellites and artillery since the outbreak of war. Same thing gonna happen again. Pin-point precision strikes by MRLS, SPA's, howitzers and mortars. Then they will pull back and organise another assault group few months later .... wtf is actualy going on ? it's likey they are pusposefully thining their ranks.

Zakharchenko sends a message about Odessa, about the second anniversary, about the attempts by Kiev to subdue the people and to intimidate them, about breaking the Kiev imposed information blockade. He says no one will be forgotten and nothing will be forgotten. This short clip is polite, for he has also given a message to pravy sektor that if their leader thinks DNR cannot reach out to Odessa, then he is mistaken, and, essentially, if anything happens then they will be turned into mincemeat that will have surgeons puzzling about what bit is what.

TheGeorgian wrote:It is shocking to see that the UA is still openly assembling huge numbers of troops and concentrate them on specific areas despite the fact that all attempts of major assaults have been thwarted by Russian satellites and artillery since the outbreak of war. Same thing gonna happen again. Pin-point precision strikes by MRLS, SPA's, howitzers and mortars. Then they will pull back and organise another assault group few months later .... wtf is actualy going on ? it's likey they are pusposefully thining their ranks.

It's nothing shocking. If they "win" no one would say much about it. If they get kettled again, Irrelevant International Community will blubber about Russian agression and sanctions will follow. The people who are at the helm in Ucrying don't care about their troops. They care about the greater "objective" which is trying an box Russia through Uncle Retaliation.

BTW happy Easter for the Orthodox crowd.

Mayday parade of trade unionists in Donetsk today. Large turnout

KoTeMoRe wrote:
BTW happy Easter for the Orthodox crowd.

How rude of me. Happy Easter from me as well ! wish everyone a great fiest.

Happy Orthodox Easter to all.

Happy Orthodox Easter!

In three hours from now, 15:00 Moscow, various rallies in different places will be held in memory of Odessa. In Odessa itself there is yet nothing happening so far.

Photo is from 1947 with Marshal Zhukov at the Mayday parade at Kulikovo Pole in Odessa. Time cannot be reversed, but maybe next year when the banderas have gone there will be similar scenes......

Livestream from Kulikovo opposite House of Trade Unions. So far only comparatively small number of people at police barrier wanting to lay flowers, but not allowed past to the building and have to lay flowers at feet of police.
http://webdiscover.ru/v/204950

Also this stream


What happens at the moment, 11:43 local, is that the people are waiting to be allowed to the building, and there are metal dector arches set up, just one it seems, and it is not clear when they will be allowed thru. Sniper positions have been pointed out, but they are just for show, it is the hidden ones that are the problem, and who is behind the rifles, Americans? British?, Swedes? remember that bastard "Mike".

It seems that some in the crowd, some of the pensioners and a few drunks, or men pretending to be drunk, are provocateurs attempting to give normal Oddesites a bad name by acting as stupid rednecks.

It's now clear that the "police" will not let anybody to lay flowers at House of Trade Unions. In another 90 minutes at 14:00 local the mood might change. In the city, police are jumping on anybody who looks"suspicious" and beating them to the ground. When the time comes, as I wrote before, it is the police that suffer first when the people rise. let them feel fear from some grannies singing now, soon enough they will shit themselves. No, no rising today, but eventually.

To a large extent downtown Odessa is deserted, some roads are blocked and Shevchenko Prospekt, one of the main roads in Odessa, is completely blocked and closed. All this and the show of force on Kulikovo yesterday is not because of grannies singing patriotic songs. One more hour and maybe something, or nothing, probably nothing.

According to Basurin, the ukrops 14th Brigade responsible for the massacre at Elenovka has been withdrawn from the front and relocated to Rivno. Their place at the front has been taken by 10th Seperate Mountain-assault Brigade. It had been suspected that some ukrops brigade and battalion commanders were coming close to, or actually launching attacks deliberately to attempt retaliation and force a war despite the wishes of Kiev. Perhaps this is what happened at Elenovka. Or it is yet another example of the deep depths of cynicism by Kiev.


And, further problems at Zaporozhia NPP and reactor four has been shut down. This leaves only two of six reactors operational.

Also, the official reason why access to House of Trade Unions is blocked is that there is "explosive device" in the area. Yet yesterday all of Kulikovo was swarming with banderas........    The fear is that at some point a grenade may be thrown from somewhere into the police, like from Svoboda at Verkhovna Rada last summer, and this used as excuse for another massacre. The live stream is odd at times and some manipulation takes place with breaks in transmission, tho that is not unusual in streams, and even strange loops at times, like the film "Speed".

3G network in Odessa closed down. Edit, so far only seems the network run by Vodaphone, other networks still work

Odessa airport swarming with banderas and opposition politicians at the airport arrrested

I don't see how the banderites can ever be defeated in Ukraine since they have a monopoly for violence. They are armed while the pro-Russians have nothing.

http://tribunal-today.ru
A synopsis of all the atrocities comitted by Kiev and it's supporters, in chronological order from Odessa to the present day. Information on victims, killed or wounded that is known, and information on damage to houses and infrastructure. A list by region, with photos if available and biographic information, of all regime members and banderas wanted in connection with all these crimes. Those already eliminated have their photo marked as such. Just as nazis were hunted down after the war, and those still alive even in their 90s being hunted, so it will be with Kiev junta, banderas and those who have aided them. Zakharchenko has already stated that DNR will have death penalty.


How can it be on this day in particular that any post is allowed that, using a contorted and twisted semantics that fools nobody, supports those guilty of Odessa massacre? This is not any rationaly articulated difference of opinion that any forum needs, it is simply trolling designed to infuriate the overwhelming majority of members. It is perfectly valid to argue, no matter how strongly, about whether VSN should take strong action now, or not, for that is normal difference of opinion, but these provocative one liners are not debate of any form and contribute nothing.

Khepesh wrote:http://tribunal-today.ru
A synopsis of all the atrocities comitted by Kiev and it's supporters, in chronological order from Odessa to the present day. Information on victims, killed or wounded that is known, and information on damage to houses and infrastructure. A list by region, with photos if available and biographic information, of all regime members and banderas wanted in connection with all these crimes. Those already eliminated have their photo marked as such. Just as nazis were hunted down after the war, and those still alive even in their 90s being hunted, so it will be with Kiev junta, banderas and those who have aided them. Zakharchenko has already stated that DNR will have death penalty.


How can it be on this day in particular that any post is allowed that, using a contorted and twisted semantics that fools nobody, supports those guilty of Odessa massacre? This is not any rationaly articulated difference of opinion that any forum needs, it is simply trolling designed to infuriate the overwhelming majority of members. It is perfectly valid to argue, no matter how strongly, about whether VSN should take strong action now, or not, for that is normal difference of opinion, but these provocative one liners are not debate of any form and contribute nothing.

I don't support the Kiev junta anymore than you do.

But you keep writing how the criminals' are listed and how they will be punished. Do you have an idea how it will happen? The banderites control over 90% of Ukraine's territory. The front lines have been more or less stagnant for over a year.

The only way to bring the junta criminals to justice is a military victory which would not only lead Novorossiya taking all of Donbas but also taking Kiev.

Karl Haushofer wrote:The only way to bring the junta criminals to justice is a military victory which would not only lead Novorossiya taking all of Donbas but also taking Kiev.

Technically, there is also assassination option which does not require the control of Ukraine.

Happy Orthodox Easter to all from me as well

sepheronx wrote:

What a pig.

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:The only way to bring the junta criminals to justice is a military victory which would not only lead Novorossiya taking all of Donbas but also taking Kiev.

Technically, there is also assassination option which does not require the control of Ukraine.

True, but it does not seem something that Russia/DPR/LPR would do. They prefer legal way of doing things.

Ivan Katchanovski
April 29 at 9:48am ·
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Turchynov, who now heads the National Security and Defense Council, claims that four civilians were killed by separatists on a separatist checkpoint in Donbas as result of a provocation by shelling from a South-South-West direction. Like in many other similar cases, this claim is presented without any evidence. It contradicts a special monitoring mission of OSCE report which concluded, based on its examination of positions of impact. that fire was from the west-south-west direction, which is controlled by the Ukrainian forces. http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2016/04/29/7107175/ But the Ukrainian media publishes such a false claim by a top official as a matter of fact. This is another illustration how the current Ukrainian government officials and the media can openly misrepresent the violence. Similar open misrepresentation is done in the cases of the Maidan and Odesa massacre, in spite of forensic medical and ballistic reports, videos, testimonies of eyewitnesses, bullet impact holes, admissions of involvement, and other evidence. http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/237451

Ivan Katchanovski
April 28 at 8:40pm ·
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The civilian wing of the neo-Nazi led Azov regiment of the National Guard of Ukraine held a torch-lit rally in Ivano-Frankivsk to mark the anniversary of the SS Division Galicia formation during World War II. In another development, 300 members of the Azov regiment are deployed to Odesa ahead of the anniversary of the May 2 massacre. The Odesa and Kharkiv branches of the Right Sector, which was dominated in these cities by the neo-Nazi National Social Assembly/Patriot of Ukraine, which formed the Azov Regiment soon after the Odesa massacre, were involved in this mass killing. The Right Sector and the NSA openly admitted such involvement.

The governments and the media in Ukraine and the West and even many researchers of the Ukrainian far right either ignored or denied the rise of the far right in Ukraine as a result of far right involvement in the violent overthrow of the government by means of the Maidan massacre of the protesters and the police and the involvement of the far right in the Odesa massacre and in other significant cases of violence during and after the "Euromaidan." A couple of researchers of the Ukrainian far right even praised the neo-Nazi led mass killing of separatists in Odesa. In contrast, the governments and the media in Russia and separatist regions of Donbas inflated the role of the far right in Ukraine, specifically, in the Ukrainian government, after the "Euromaidan" by referring to a "fascist coup" and a "fascist junta."

Elena Evdokimova
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Dear Mr Katchanovsky,
Have you seen how Ukrainian police is preparing to the second anniversary of Odessa massacre ? They are using the neo-Nazi Azow battalion to 'maintain the order'. There is no hope for peace in Ukraine
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1611727662451211&set=pcb.1611727762451201&type=3&theater
How thoughtful it is for Ukrainian government to use neo-nazi Azov to maitain order at the square where their mates burned people alive
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=227157854324899&set=p.227157854324899&type=3&theater

Azov people are not even hiding their intentions:
A FB post from Azov,
"We are going to Odessa for BBQ, inviting every one who wants have kebabs from separatists"" - hinting to burning to death 48 people 2 years ago
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1611712165786094&set=a.1385426888414624.1073741827.100008419784685&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1611727662451211&set=pcb.1611727762451201&type=3&theater
A screenshot from the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyjC66msp_w&feature=youtu.be
look at the wheels of the vehicle:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=565447376991715&set=p.565447376991715&type=3&theater

Ivan Katchanovski
April 22 at 2:35pm ·
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Censor.net, a People’s Front-linked online news site, publishes an explicit admission by Yarosh that he personally led the crucial Right Sector attack of the separatist checkpoint in Donbas two years ago. This attack by this paramilitary alliance of radical nationalist and neo-Nazi organizations constituted a major step in the escalation of the conflict in Donbas into a civil war because it broke the Geneva agreement, which was signed on 17 April 2014 by Ukraine, Russia, the EU, and the US, and the Orthodox Easter ceasefire between the Ukrainian government and separatists. But this news report still censors Ukrainian court decisions revealing GPU investigation findings that at least two wounded attackers used the same weapons as were used by Maidan snipers.

This publication also reveals that Turchynov, then acting president of Ukraine, and Korban, an ex-Ukrop leader who was then the Kolomoiskyi’s deputy in the Dnipropetrovsk regional administration, authorized this Right Sector operation, which was aimed at seizing and destroying a TV transmitter near Sloviansk several days after this area was seized by the Strelkov-led Russian nationalist armed group and local separatists. Other senior Ukrainian government officials and the editor this online news site, who was recently invited to speak in Canada, knew on the day of the attack about the involvement of the Right Sector but also deliberately covered up this involvement. http://censor.net.ua/…/dmitro_yarosh_pershiyi_nastupalniyi_…

I posted my analysis on Facebook right after the attack that various evidence then indicated the Right Sector involvement; and earlier this year I posted court decisions confirming such involvement and the use of the same weapons by the Right Sector attackers and snipers who killed at least two and wounded at least three other policemen on the Maidan.

My article in European Politics and Society journal summarizes this evidence and the significance of this attack as follows:
"Various evidence indicates that the Right Sector was involved in a deadly attack of a separatist checkpoint in Sloviansk on 20 April 2014. The evidence includes his business card found there, a later admission by Dmytro Yarosh, the Right Sector leader, that this was his first battle, and a court ruling revealing that the same exact weapon was used by the attackers and killers of the Internal Troops servicemen on the Maidan (BBC Ukrainian, 2015; Pechersk District Court, 2015b). This attack by the paramilitary alliance of radical nationalist and neo-Nazi organizations constituted a major escalation of the conflict in Donbas because it broke the Geneva agreement, which was signed on 17 April 2014 by Ukraine, Russia, the EU, and the US concerning a peaceful resolution of the conflict, and the Orthodox Easter ceasefire between the Ukrainian government and separatists."
https://www.researchgate.net/…/299383810_The_Separatist_War…

But the involvement of the Right Sector in the attack was immediately denied by the Right Sector, the Ukrainian government, including the Security Service of Ukraine, RNBO, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the Ukrainian media. They claimed without any proof that the attack was staged by the Russian military intelligence and that the Yarosh business card and other evidence were fabrications.

http://ru.tsn.ua/…/v-snbo-raskritikovali-lzhivye-soobscheni…
http://gordonua.com/…/sbu-separatisty-s-rossiyskimi-diversa…
http://korrespondent.net/…/3352145-pravyi-sektor-otrytsaet-…

The Western governments and the media, like in the case of the Maidan massacre, ignored or dismissed evidence of the Right Sector involvement in the Sloviansk attack and stated instead that the responsibility for the attack was unclear and referred to a possibility of a false-flag attack by the Russian Military Intelligence.
http://www.reuters.com/…/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA3A1B5201…
http://www.thestar.com/…/truth_a_victim_of_deadly_ukraine_c…
http://www.theguardian.com/…/ukraine-agreement-falters-shoo…
http://www.smh.com.au/…/ukraine-crisis-business-card-proof-…
http://euromaidanpress.com/…/sloviansk-shooting-victim-id…/…

Comments on my Facebook page and in Facebook groups devoted to the study of Eastern Europe and the Ukrainian far right on April 20, 2014 suggested that the absolute majority of experts on Ukraine and the Ukrainian far right active on the social media shared similar views concerning this attack, while only a few other such experts concurred at that time with my analysis of the Right Sector involvement.

Ivan Katchanovski
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This case is the latest illustration of deliberate and systematic disinformation and cover-up by government agencies and the media in Ukraine of many key events in the Ukrainian conflict and similar unreliability of the Western governments and the media accounts of the conflict. The same concerns the disinformation and cover-up of the Russian military intervention in Donbas and other key events of the conflict by the Russian and separatist governments and the media. But even many scholars fail to see such deliberate and systematic misrepresentation of the Ukrainian conflict by all these conflict parties by taking information disseminated by government officials and media at face value and fail to check validity and reliability of this information.

This specifically concerns the Maidan and Odesa massacres. The Ukrainian court decisions show that the Prosecutor General Office investigation determined that the same weapons were used by the two wounded Right Sector attackers and snipers who killed at least two and wounded at least three other policemen on the Maidan on February 18, 2014 and that the GPU investigates their links to at least 12 other Right Sector members during the Maidan massacre. But these publicly available court decisions are still not revealed by the Ukrainian and the Western media and the governments, with a partial exception of Strana.ua article, several months after I first wrote about them. http://www.reyestr.court.gov.ua/Review/55966993


Ivan Katchanovski This case is the latest illustration of deliberate and systematic disinformation and cover-up by government agencies and the media in Ukraine of many key events in the Ukrainian conflict and similar unreliability of the Western governments and the media accounts of the conflict. The same concerns the disinformation and cover-up of the Russian military intervention in Donbas and other key events of the conflict by the Russian and separatist governments and the media. But even many scholars fail to see such deliberate and systematic misrepresentation of the Ukrainian conflict by all these conflict parties. They take information disseminated by government officials and media at face value and fail to check validity and reliability of this information.

This specifically concerns the Maidan and Odesa massacres. The Ukrainian court decisions show that the Prosecutor General Office investigation determined that the same weapons were used by the two wounded Right Sector attackers and snipers who killed at least two and wounded at least three other policemen on the Maidan on February 18, 2014 and that the GPU investigates their links to at least 12 other Right Sector members during the Maidan massacre. But these publicly available court decisions are still not revealed by the Ukrainian and the Western media and the governments, with a partial exception of Strana.ua article, several months after I first wrote about them. http://www.reyestr.court.gov.ua/Review/55966993

Happy Easter everyone!!!

PapaDragon wrote:Happy Easter everyone!!!

Christos Anesti

Khepesh wrote:http://tribunal-today.ru
A synopsis of all the atrocities comitted by Kiev and it's supporters, in chronological order from Odessa to the present day. Information on victims, killed or wounded that is known, and information on damage to houses and infrastructure. A list by region, with photos if available and biographic information, of all regime members and banderas wanted in connection with all these crimes. Those already eliminated have their photo marked as such. Just as nazis were hunted down after the war, and those still alive even in their 90s being hunted, so it will be with Kiev junta, banderas and those who have aided them. Zakharchenko has already stated that DNR will have death penalty.


How can it be on this day in particular that any post is allowed that, using a contorted and twisted semantics that fools nobody, supports those guilty of Odessa massacre? This is not any rationaly articulated difference of opinion that any forum needs, it is simply trolling designed to infuriate the overwhelming majority of members. It is perfectly valid to argue, no matter how strongly, about whether VSN should take strong action now, or not, for that is normal difference of opinion, but these provocative one liners are not debate of any form and contribute nothing.

I am so pleased to see that there has been an effort to document all these war criminals.

Most of them probably don't worry about the consequences of the crimes they committed at this moment. They may think they are safe under the present regime in Kiev.

Well, maybe for the time being. But circumstances change over time and they may not be safe tomorrow, next week, next month, next year or in 10 years.

Their time will come one way or the other. Either in or out of Ukraine, these people will be tracked, captured, eliminated, assassinated, tried, jailed or hanged by lamp-posts.
Justice can come in different ways, they may be killed in battle, captured in a battle and brought in front of a tribunal, assassinated by family members of their victims, etc. etc.

Those who will evade justice will always have to sleep with an eye open for the rest of their miserable lives.

I would like to remind everybody who is reading this post about the fate of the Three Turkish leaders who ordered the Genocide of Armenians a century ago: Enver Pasha, Talaat Pasha and Jamal Pasha.

All three of them were slain by vengeful Armenians:
- Talaat Pasha in Berlin 1921
- Jemal Pasha in Tbilissi 1922
- Enver Pasha in Tajikistan 1922

Oh, and Happy Orthodox Christmas
Khristos Vayskres
Christ has Risen