The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

JohninMK wrote:I too read that the man arrested was a 'local' and not Roma.

Also that the Roma, who's name most in the UK think is probably short for Rumanian and who most regard as gypsies, are amongst the lowest of the low with little if any love from the general UK population to whom gypsies in general are a pest.

As to the Ukrainian Nazis, attacking Roma is probably regarded as a good sport, bit like kicking an anthill. Then this kind of event has never featured in the Western MSN who's interest falls off exponentially the further you go East from a vertical line on the map through Berlin, until you get to Moscow when it suddenly re-ignites.

Cowboy's daughter wrote:

Respectfully, Khepesh,

I read that the person who raped and murdered the girl was not Roma.

On the contrary, in the West, Roma are treated very badly. Spit on in public, etc. Discriminated against in England, even Ireland, and the USA. & other European countries
They have a bad rep. , in the USA (the Travelers), and with reason, but not all are criminals.
At the present there is a religious revival going on in the Gypsy Church in Wales among the Roma, Travelers, etc. Thousands are converting to Jesus Christ.

IMHO, the Roma were attacked in Ukraine, IN PART because ultra Nationalists in Ukraine attack anyone who is not "Ukrainian", as they attacked the Vietnamese.

Probably most persons in the USA haven't got a clue who the Roma are, nor anything about them, so DO NOT perceive them as Russian.

Persons who are educated know the Roma ancestors came from India.

Western media didn't report it, because Western media doesn't report cow dung.

About 10,000 Native Americans, all tribes, are at Cannonball South Dakota, protesting an oil pipe line, protecting water (Missouri river). They were attacked with attack dogs by private security. Do you think the Western Media is reporting it? No, not unless it's propaganda, against them.

Democracy Now happened to be there, or no one would have been there to report.

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/4/dakota_access_pipeline_company_attacks_native


edited to add: I personally know of no one in the USA who has contempt for Slavs or hates Russians. What persons see in the West or the USA is political bullshit, propaganda, in the media,-- political parties attempting to justify their actions, or Administrations attempting to justify their actions, etc. boot-licking Corporations, Wall Street and the super wealthy of the world... ugh...money, greed...

We've had Occupy Wall Street, which protestors were stepped on hard. We've just had a rigged election, where Hillary got the Dem. nomination instead of Bernie Sanders, the result being Dem Exit, persons leaving the Democrat Party, & hopefully Americans will come together to change the status quo, if they can.

We are a Country of all ethnicities.

JohninMK wrote:My experience is that those like you Khepesh and others here who are in or from the East of Europe have a far better understanding of Europe as an entity than anyone west of my imaginary line. Very little is taught on the subject at school and even less is in the MSN. As our population ages it can only get worse as the quality and breadth, bad though it is, is further dumbed down in all but the best, most exclusive schools.

If it were not for the cheap, usually drunken, weekends then even fewer would have any idea of what the East is like. I carefully excluded where it is as many will just know it as 2 hours away in a plane that didn't go south to the sun!

eehnie wrote:

JohninMK wrote:My experience is that those like you Khepesh and others here who are in or from the East of Europe have a far better understanding of Europe as an entity than anyone west of my imaginary line. Very little is taught on the subject at school and even less is in the MSN. As our population ages it can only get worse as the quality and breadth, bad though it is, is further dumbed down in all but the best, most exclusive schools.

If it were not for the cheap, usually drunken, weekends then even fewer would have any idea of what the East is like. I carefully excluded where it is as many will just know it as 2 hours away in a plane that didn't go south to the sun!

I see in this forum a high lack of understanding about how Europe is and works. I see here a lot of identification of Europe with the US and this is wrong. Maybe the people in the UK and in Eastern Europe think it, but this is not right. Unfortunately we are few Europeans from the rest of the countries here.

JohninMK wrote:Classic Poro 'woe is us, give us another sub' speech today. This is a small quote. Those idiots shot themselves in one export foot with their wonderful EU deal cutting existing exports and the other foot by them themselves stopping valuable exports to Russia. Not that either of those seemed to be in his speech, strange that.

Speaking in an annual address to the Ukrainian parliament, Poroshenko said that his country's exports to Russia continue to decline.

"In 2015, our exports to Russia fell by half in comparison to 2014 and this is not yet the bottom. Russia's share in Ukrainian exports currently stands at only 9 percent, with a tendency to fall further," he said. He added that due to the economic downturn, Ukraine has lost "tens if not hundreds of thousands of jobs." According to him, "this economic aggression is one of the main reasons for the rapid decline in [Ukraine's] living standards."

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/world/20160906/1045018510/russia-ukraine-poroshenko-sanctions.html

Khepesh wrote:One of the reasons I often use word "anglophone" is to put a difference between Europe and UK/Washington. Europe in general, not the EU as a specific, is not stupid, or at least the normal people are not, and we see normal attitudes from them towards Russia, and in some countries, particulary Italy, open support for Donbass. When Germany removes the shackles of 71 years of occupation and France gets a new de Gaulle instead of grey apparatchiks pretending to be "independant" but licking Washington's ass, then the situation may change in Europe for the better and Russia can have more normal relations, instead of pretending to deal with "sovereign" governments when really they are go-betweens for Washington with no more power than a librarian.

JohninMK wrote:
Agree but I don't hold out much hope. Even when we Brexit there will not be much change on the mainland, the invisible financial strings are just too strong. Once any new, uncorrupted leader assumes power they will be given a presentation on the real world they have entered and in particular the risks that they and their family run should they go off-piste, set against the rewards for keeping to the script, in actions if not in words. There are plenty of examples available.

It has been running for so long (the real take-offs were 1815 when Rothschild bought Britain and 1913 when they started the Fed and bought the US) that all the wrinkles have been ironed out. What is less clear is how far the tentacles extend east and how deep they penetrate. Many are not aware that Mao went to a Yale funded and organised school and that Western bankers were deep inside China funding his revolution. This is a fascinating read on the subject http://letsrollforums.com//mao-and-skull-n-t31762.html?t=31762

Smoke and mirrors?

As you say in the other post, due to their total incompetence at the start, Poro and company are up the creek without a paddle. The US behind them, Russia in front. They just have to do enough to justify to their master that they are allowed to jump ship. Sod the poor bastards at the front.

Khepesh wrote:"Azov" veterans turned up at the construction site in Kiev again this afternoon, and too boring to report what was happening, however, this evening it has become a battlefield. Kiev police admit casualties and "Azov" say that Red Cross have set up a casualty point to deal with wounded. The issue is with "Azov" and other nationalist battalion veterans not happy with what they are saying is illegal construction occuring due to corruption, and that they, the nationalists, are protecting the people, from presumably oligarchs who pay for the nationalist battalions. rats in sack gnawing each other. Still problems in Poltava about the pig farm, and also long time ongoing problems with the Rivno amber miners, and politicians still being thrown into trash bins. Fun place 404

Khepesh wrote:presumably oligarchs who pay for the nationalist battalions.

Benya wrote:

Actually ukrainian/jewish oligarch Ihor Kolomolskiy is one of Azov Battalion's main supporters