The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

Most are saying the bombard tonight is the worst ever. Avdeevka, Gorlovka, Donetsk City Proper and all the way down to the Azov, the orcs are using everything they have against patently civilian targets. To all intents and purposes the useless osce has withdrawn.

There is an unconfirmed report of three English speaking foreigners captured southwest of Donetsk. I won't believe it until they are paraded in front of the cameras in front of Donetsk Town Hall.

The French don't seem to be in a hurry for the next Normandy Four meeting.

KIEV (Sputnik) – Ceasefire in eastern Ukraine, Kiev granting special status to the Donbass region and conducting local elections are preconditions for the next Normandy Four format meeting, French Foreign Minister Jean Marc Ayrault said Wednesday.

"There are various conditions, of course, which must be fulfilled to reach this goal. First of all, this is about ensuring security. We also noted ceasefire… Another condition of political character is preparation of a draft Ukrainian law on local elections in Donbass, as well as granting this region special status," Ayrault told reporters.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160914/1045310401/donbass-ukraine-special-status.html

The war of words on MH-17 is getting into gear ahead of the report due on the 28th. This is a long article.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160914/1045312486/bellingcat-misinformation-mh17-investigation.html

Will they get out alive? False flag on the way? From DONi.

Wednesday, September 14, 2016 - 19:11

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier is planning to travel to Donbass during his visit to Ukraine on September 14-15, German Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Sawsan Chebli told a press briefing in Berlin on Wednesday.

"(The trip includes) Donbass as well, which city I cannot say just now. The trip will not be limited to Kiev," she told reporters. Chebli later noted that Steinmeier is planning to travel to Donbass in the morning on September 15 and visit the city of Kramatorsk, reports TASS.

The German top diplomat earlier said that he was going, together with his French counterpart, Jean-Marc Ayrault, to discuss with Poroshenko, prime minister and representatives of the parliamentary parties an opportunity to accelerate the implementation of the Minsk agreement on the settlement in the Donbass region during his visit to Ukraine.

JohninMK wrote:The war of words on MH-17 is getting into gear ahead of the report due on the 28th. This is a long article.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160914/1045312486/bellingcat-misinformation-mh17-investigation.html

Shorter version, the original story as published by Novaya Gazeta. The important point is that full and real technical details of BUK have now been supplied to Nederlands. At bottom of article is link to pdf of full Almaz-Antey report in which they eviscerate Bellingcat, showing their technical incompetance and contradictions. http://www.novayagazeta.ru/inquests/74554.html But as so many comments in the various places this report is now appearing say, it will all be ignored because truth is not wanted by EU/Washington

auslander wrote:Most are saying the bombard tonight is the worst ever. Avdeevka, Gorlovka, Donetsk City Proper and all the way down to the Azov, the orcs are using everything they have against patently civilian targets. To all intents and purposes the useless osce has withdrawn.

There is an unconfirmed report of three English speaking foreigners captured southwest of Donetsk. I won't believe it until they are paraded in front of the cameras in front of Donetsk Town Hall.  

152mm coming down in multiple locations. From Makeevka, "Heavy pounding, roar continuous without pause". Not yet, simply "trolling" I think.

Edit: residents of Kalininsky district, more or less downtown Donetsk, can hear the bombardment on the NW side of Makeevka, and are in the shelters. General opinion that this is not beginning of any sort of offensive.

Edit: Fighting intensifies at Avdeevka industrial area. Power lines down and gas pipe cut and reports of widespread intermittent power. Three batteries of ukrops heavy artillery identified firing into Makeevka, no reports of outgoing, but there must be at Avdeevka or they will be overwhelmed if they do not fight back.

Poro claiming he is getting the IMF money following today's meeting. Obviously Russia attempting to hold to the IMF's rules has been outvoted. Once its in the bank and distributed to 'deserving cases' then the rat runs will be greased and war can start. Maybe around the 28th, MH-17 report.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160915/1045316428/imf-ukraine-money-poroshenko.html

Confirmed

"The Executive Board of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) today completed the second review of Ukraine’s economic program supported by an arrangement under the Extended Fund Facility (EFF). The completion of this review enables the disbursement of SDR 716.11 million (about US$ 1 billion), which would bring total disbursements under the arrangement to SDR 5,444.21 million (about US$7.62 billion)," the statement said on Wednesday.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160915/1045317010/imf-executive-approves-tranche-ukraine.html

Poro is at the UN New York next week.

This is from RT. Assume it means in about 22 hours from now.

17:42 GMT
Kiev guarantees adherence to ceasefire in E. Ukraine – German FM

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has guaranteed that Kiev will follow the ceasefire in eastern Ukraine announced earlier by anti-government forces, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier has said. The regime will come into effect at midnight September 15, Moscow time (21:00 GMT). Steinmeier’s announcement followed talks with Ukrainian leader Poroshenko in Kiev on Wednesday. “Ukraine, for its part, said it would adhere to the cessation of hostilities,” the German FM said. He added that if the measure is a success for at least a week, then further steps on the separation of troops in eastern Ukraine will follow. "I hope we will be able to negotiate that next Tuesday,” Steinmeier said.

Yesterday the prosecutor general of Ukraine laid unspecified charges against Avakov. Then in the afternoon the prosecutors press secretary said the charges would probably be dismissed. Avakov is now under sharp focus for alleged corruption, and as is already mentioned, having "Azov" as a private army and potentially plotting a coup. The article also says of possibility of Avakov being replaced by Turchinov, tho if Turchinov were to control both the police and the army at the same time is not clear, if this were to happen. https://lenta.ru/articles/2016/09/15/avakov/

Also the hotel in Kharkov that Kernes uses as his home was raided this morning by 100 members of GRU and SBU. Kernes and others are suspected of corruption, and also already have charges hanging over them of kidnapping, torture and threat to murder. I presume Kernes is still in Israel. https://112.ua/politika/siloviki-provodyat-obyski-u-mera-harkova-kernesa-lucenko-338751.html

I said a few days back that if during the "ceasefire" ukrops used an entire artillery brigade to bombard Donetsk that it would not be noticed by anybody, except of course those being bombarded. Last night it was not quite a full brigade, but probably two battalions of heavy artillery firing, and nobody has noticed........


And this just appeared. IMF third tranche to Ukraine confirmed, Poroshenko claims "Kremlin has lost" https://112.ua/mnenie/kreml-proigral-zayavlenie-poroshenko-posle-vydeleniya-ukraine-transha-mvf-338759.html

How hard will the Kremlin fail this time?

Documentary film maker Maxim Fadeev was wounded near the airport last night while ukrops were shelling. Wounded by shrapnel, fortunately not severely. http://news-front.info/2016/09/15/dokumentalist-news-front-maks-fadeev-ranen-v-doneckom-aeroportu/

Today, in daylight, ukrops have fired at Sakhanka, Dokuchaevsk, Petrovsky district, Makeevka and Yasinovataya. On the OSCE site there is no mention of what happened last night.

Khepesh wrote:Yesterday the prosecutor general of Ukraine laid unspecified charges against Avakov. Then in the afternoon the prosecutors press secretary said the charges would probably be dismissed. Avakov is now under sharp focus for alleged corruption, and as is already mentioned, having "Azov" as a private army and potentially plotting a coup. The article also says of possibility of Avakov being replaced by Turchinov, tho if Turchinov were to control both the police and the army at the same time is not clear, if this were to happen. https://lenta.ru/articles/2016/09/15/avakov/

Also the hotel in Kharkov that Kernes uses as his home was raided this morning by 100 members of GRU and SBU. Kernes and others are suspected of corruption, and also already have charges hanging over them of kidnapping, torture and threat to murder. I presume Kernes is still in Israel. https://112.ua/politika/siloviki-provodyat-obyski-u-mera-harkova-kernesa-lucenko-338751.html

I said a few days back that if during the "ceasefire" ukrops used an entire artillery brigade to bombard Donetsk that it would not be noticed by anybody, except of course those being bombarded. Last night it was not quite a full brigade, but probably two battalions of heavy artillery firing, and nobody has noticed........


And this just appeared. IMF third tranche to Ukraine confirmed, Poroshenko claims "Kremlin has lost" https://112.ua/mnenie/kreml-proigral-zayavlenie-poroshenko-posle-vydeleniya-ukraine-transha-mvf-338759.html

And the fraud Steinmeier was lying through his teeth....I've said it before and I'll say it again, the MINSK treaties are nothing more than desperate attempts by Germany to save their business interests in Russia (despite the fact that Germany spear-headed the coup in 2014, but failed to get Vitali Klitschko in power).

...As far as the IMF is concerned, they basically violated their own principles just to get the loan out to Ukraine, which suggests that there is something major brewing for them to actively insult the Russian Federation's intelligence with this gesture. Such a gesture could be the final straw, the final nail in the coffin, it can be interpreted as the go ahead for the Ukrops to carry out one last major offensive to capture the Donbass. Such a gesture is essentially a bill of confidence from Western powers towards Ukraine no matter what it does, and with the Foreign Minister of Germany going out his way to lie on the behalf of the Ukrops. It doesn't matter if the Ukrops get completely obliterated by this, their flesh and blood will serve the purpose of completely reigniting the Cold War that the US MIC will find profitable.

I suspect such an offensive will have to happen late September to mid October, an October surprise as you will. You'll see non-stop coverage attacking Russia and this will be the catalyst for Hillary to come in to power, or to force Donald Trump to be hostile towards Russia or at least drop the facade that he was ever friendly with them in first place.

With this we will see a unprecedented level of sanctions, forcing Russia to respond by vacating the IMF, and probably the WTO as well, with the potential of declaring a debt moratorium. We could potentially see some one like Glazyev take over the post of head of the Central Bank, and see the Neo-Liberal Elvira step down, Glazyev will most likely get the ball rolling on the CB's nationalization. This isn't pure hypebole, as their was high level of discussion of this matter back at SPIEF last month:

http://journal-neo.org/2016/08/02/putin-nyet-to-neo-liberals-da-to-national-development/

I agree with this assessment. Clearly the current sanctions are a total failure for NATO. They are acting to boost Russia's
GDP instead of crushing it as anticipated by the retard NATO leadership. Since they are retards they will try to get a different
solution with the same approach (Einstein's definition of insanity). So they will try to coerce Russia into a direct intervention and
at the same time will try to ratchet up the sanctions regime. Clinton needs an October surprise to boost her poll chances. It
seems the "Putin poison plot" drivel is not gaining traction as Trump's numbers are getting better and hers are getting worse.

Interesting report ,that albeit happened months ago , is must read to say the least.
Everyone remembers when Canadian Prime minister visited Kiev and began training their army?
Apparently according to sources.  A major Canadian Special Operation of 20 soldiers was done
in the ATO zone in Donetsk. they were placed in charge to infiltrate and take control of some positions. But it ended in a major disaster for them.. with the entire group kicked from the
rebels holded zones and 11 of the canadian special forces killed.. the others barely escaped alive.


http://stalkerzone.org/11-canadian-mercenaries-go-home-bodybags-master-class-donbass/

So pretty much ,if this reports are true.. it looks like NATO wants to increase the pressure
on Russia to provoke them to invade directly and help with its airforce and tanks and artillery
to defend the Ukraine separatist and assist them in case they pushed back It just show
that what the pro Russian fighters face in Donetsk and Lugansk is not just the Ukraine army.
but NATO special forces are mixed there too.. and this was told by nothing less than the top leader of Donetsk ,forgot his name , about afro americans who speak english being killed who were fighting for Ukraine and this NATO direct confrontation with Russian sponsored forces is no different in Syria. French special forces ,were captured in 2012 in HOMs backing the free syrian army and doing the satellite communications with NATO , this was the time the american journalist with one eye patch was killed. back then and the ambazador of france had to reopen in Syria ,for never explained reasons in public , but according to journalist present in Syria ,it was to negotiate their release with the help of Russia.

Ukrops trying to get Donetsk oblast renamed "Banderovski" and Lugansk "Maidan" http://dnr24.com/main/24559-doneck-pereimenovat-v-banderovsk-a-lugansk-v-maydan-volontery-ato-gotovyat-obraschenie-v-radu.html

Less "funny" is that yesterday FSB raided the "Museum of Novorossiya" in Peterburg. The story seems to have been suppressed yesterday but is now public. Director of museum tries to downplay situation by saying that the worst that happened is that chocolate for the "Solnyshko" childrens home in Gorlovka was seized. Not reported by DNR 24.su is that other properties where also raided, and all of them used by ex militia and volunteers engaged in sending help to Donbass. No arrests were made. http://dnr24.su/mirovoe-soobschestvo/16162-gsu-rf-i-specnaz-fsb-rf-shturmovali-muzey-novorosii-i-seli-detskiy-shokolad.html

Khepesh wrote:Ukrops trying to get Donetsk oblast renamed "Banderovski" and Lugansk "Maidan" http://dnr24.com/main/24559-doneck-pereimenovat-v-banderovsk-a-lugansk-v-maydan-volontery-ato-gotovyat-obraschenie-v-radu.html

Less "funny" is that yesterday FSB raided the "Museum of Novorossiya" in Peterburg. The story seems to have been suppressed yesterday but is now public. Director of museum tries to downplay situation by saying that the worst that happened is that chocolate for the "Solnyshko" childrens home in Gorlovka was seized. Not reported by DNR 24.su is that other properties where also raided, and all of them used by ex militia and volunteers engaged in sending help to Donbass. No arrests were made. http://dnr24.su/mirovoe-soobschestvo/16162-gsu-rf-i-specnaz-fsb-rf-shturmovali-muzey-novorosii-i-seli-detskiy-shokolad.html

There have been cases of ex-militia ,that is Fake Russian supporters ,who joins the Donetsk forces only to spy on them ,and later return to tell the world what they saw there.. how the Russian army helps them. So it will make sense FSB to monitor the people who return from
the conflict who they are .

people like Motorola for example had no problems ,to not only spend vacations in Crimea
,when the Minsk-2 agreement began , that some cease of fire ,began.. but also to move to Syria and return to Ukraine. So being a fighter in Ukraine to protect civilians is not against Russian laws.

Agents provocateurs is not the issue in this case. "Museum of Novorossiya" is most certainly NOT some "ukrops cell" or hotbed of "5th column" and there is no indication that any of the others raided are other than 100% real supporters of Novorossiya, but it could be that that factor is the problem....

This is a different take on the visit to Kiev, from this article http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/ukraines-new-imf-loan-bribe-to-save.html

In this whole story, there’s yet another factor which should be taken into account: the decision to allocate the reduced loan, strangely enough, coincided with the visit to Kiev of the foreign ministers of Germany and France.

They’ve come to Kiev to manhandle Poroshenko. I don’t know what tools they have, but based on preliminary statements, their task is a serious one. They are conducting an operation to force Poroshenko to fulfill the Minsk Agreements, i.e., to try to force the Kiev regime to do what it simply can’t.

French Foreign Minister Herault said:

“We mean a ceasefire, of course, and the withdrawal of troops in the three pilot zones. This also includes legislation on local elections in Donbass, and the region’s special status. The next stage of this continuous process is the Rada’s approval of a law on elections and a special status for Donbass, expanding the pilot zones, removing heavy weaponry and keeping them under control, ensuring access for observers to the territories of Donbass, and creating advanced OSCE bases.”

It cannot be ruled out that the IMF has given the money as long as Poroshenko promises to fulfill everything at the persistent requests of Germany and France. If this is true, then our European partners will have to learn that they’ve wasted their money in vain. It is most likely that the plan will fail at the stage of passing laws on Donbass’ special status, but if by some miracle they are passed, then at the next stage Kiev will simply explode.

The last stage in implementing the Minsk Agreements according to the German-French tandem sounds like this:

“The third stage will be the Verkhovna Rada’s adoption of a date for elections, the completion of constitutional reform, adopting amnesty laws, simultaneously and in parallel diluting troops along the whole front line, creating new checkpoints, freeing hostages, and finishing the removal of troops, and full access to the border.”

Sometimes miracles do happen, but I’m afraid that not this time. The main intrigue here is not if Kiev will spit on this plan, but what Germany and France will do when Kiev, and no one else, tears up the Minsk Agreements despite the direct attempt by European ministers to lead the process.

Don’t think that Ukraine will be left without consequences. If Germany and France really wanted to blame Russia for everything, then it wouldn’t make any sense to fly the ministers to Kiev and attempt to force Poroshenko to do something. It would suffice to say that Russia is not fulfilling Minsk and that’s it.

Ok so the Russians are still giving, much to the surprise of those aware of it, a great deal of valuable assistance (financial/energy etc). So what does Poro do to keep it going?

KIEV (Sputnik) — Ukraine will impose sanctions on Russian defense firms and financial institutions, as well as transportation companies operating on the Crimea Peninsula, President Petro Poroshenko said Friday.

According to Poroshenko's statement posted on his official website, the restrictive measures will be applied to Russian defense companies and financial institutions allegedly providing military equipment and financing for self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics in eastern Ukraine. The sanctions will also affect shipping and air transport operators that violate Ukraine-imposed ban on entry to Crimean ports and airports, Poroshenko added.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/europe/20160916/1045388422/ukraine-russia-sanctions-poroshenko.html

Or maybe this is one of the conditions of the IMF money.

Bandera attack on the embassy in Kiev last night. It was thought more likely something like this would occur tomorrow, but of course they can come back again, and police will not stop them. Comments under the video show the level of mental illness of banderas.

Yesterday there was an explosion at a ukrops brigade HQ at Krasnogorovka, with dead and wounded. Presumed caused by suicide/murder or negligence. http://www.novorosinform.org/news/60673
The circumstances of explosion of a Grad missile on ukrops side at the Stanitsa Lugansk checkpoint is still not determined, but as OSCE were at the chechpoint at the time, then presumed to be ukrops provocation to make it seem they are under attack.

How kids live in Yasinovataya today, with subtitles

franco wrote:Wow    

http://www.vice.com/read/nationalist-interest-v23n4

A bit of journalistic license in there according to the comments.

What a way to live your life. Lowest of the low.

Zakharchenko has stated that if Kiev does not abide by the ceasefire by the end of the week, then on Monday it will be cancelled. http://www.vz.ru/news/2016/9/17/833060.html
And here he says that if Kiev is unable to resolve the issue peacefully, then let them at least admit it. http://dnr-online.ru/esli-ukraina-ne-v-sostoyanii-reshit-vopros-mirnym-putem-pust-v-etom-priznaetsya-glava-dnr-aleksandr-zaxarchenko/

The unilateral descison by LDNR to impose a strict non return of fire order was possibly the last straw for Kiev to grasp in order to prevent fall into war. They failed, as expected, and now there is probably no more "safety nets" between the low level "phony war" of Minsk that will resume on Monday, or at least for VSN as Kiev never stopped, and full scale war. Zakharchenko said that if the attacks do not stop, the order to start military action will follow immediately. A caveat here is that Zakharchenko sometimes says things without full context. It can be taken that he means if as soon as Monday arrives and ukrops have not stopped, then VSN resume firing back as a minimum, but he leaves room for a more drastic interpretaion of what he means.