Alleged 2016 military coup attempt in Turkey

PapaDragon wrote:
Coup faction took over military frigate (Yavuz)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara

Hoist the Jolly Roger matey!!! Arrrrrrrr!!!  

Unless they sail the frigate out of the bay, I wouldn't put much thought into this.

WARNING !!! THIS IS 18+++ as there is a man who were rolled over by the rebels vehicle.

It seems like the pro-Erdogan protesters tried to surround the vehicle, but failed since the vehicle decided to dash through the mob. During the crisis, its seems like one unlucky man lost half of his body.

https://www.facebook.com/cafeDLV/videos/633738336803626/

BTW...

https://www.rt.com/news/351587-turkey-coup-violence-tanks/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Dramatic Turkey footage reveals horrifying violence of coup struggle (GRAPHIC VIDEO, IMAGES)

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Tusk said that the events in Turkey can change relations between Ankara and the EU

ULAANBAATAR, 16 Jul — RIA Novosti. The President of the European Council Donald Tusk said that the events in Turkey can change the relations of Ankara with the EU and the impact on the environment throughout the region, the situation in the country is far from stable.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20160716/1467272973.html#ixzz4EZDHi3dk

so blackmail starts for Erdo with "democratic opposition " and " suppression of free maydown speech" ? uuuu so sorry EU after Chinese shown you where you can put this mickey mouse tribunal in hague now again defeat of  western values? buuuuu

Similar news, in English

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/07/eu-says-fully-behind-turkish-government/

European Union member-states on Saturday said they were fully behind the “democratically elected government” of Turkish President, Recep Erdogan, following a coup attempt in the country. European Council President, Donald Tusk, made this known in his closing remarks of the Asia-Europe Meeting (ASEM) in Mongolia, and called for a swift return to Turkey’s constitutional order. “The tension in and challenges for Turkey cannot be solved with guns. “A military coup has no place in modern Turkey. “The question is when Turkey comes out of this crisis, how will it deal with the crisis? It will be crucial. “Also for relations with the EU, the hope is to keep Turkey as a key partner,’’ Tusk said. He added that EU fully supported the democratically elected government, the institutions of the country and the rule of law.

higurashihougi wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Tusk said that the events in Turkey can change relations between Ankara and the EU

ULAANBAATAR, 16 Jul — RIA Novosti. The President of the European Council Donald Tusk said that the events in Turkey can change the relations of Ankara with the EU and the impact on the environment throughout the region, the situation in the country is far from stable.

РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20160716/1467272973.html#ixzz4EZDHi3dk

so blackmail starts for Erdo with "democratic opposition " and " suppression of free maydown speech" ? uuuu so sorry EU after Chinese shown you where you can put this mickey mouse tribunal in hague now again defeat of  western values? buuuuu

Similar news, in English

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/07/eu-says-fully-behind-turkish-government/

European Union member-states on Saturday said they were fully behind the “democratically elected government” of Turkish President, Recep Erdogan, following a coup attempt in the country. European Council President, Donald Tusk, made this known in his closing remarks of the Asia-Europe Meeting (ASEM) in Mongolia, and called for a swift return to Turkey’s constitutional order. “The tension in and challenges for Turkey cannot be solved with guns. “A military coup has no place in modern Turkey. “The question is when Turkey comes out of this crisis, how will it deal with the crisis? It will be crucial. “Also for relations with the EU, the hope is to keep Turkey as a key partner,’’ Tusk said. He added that EU fully supported the democratically elected government, the institutions of the country and the rule of law.

Eh they will support whoever won and on the surface they have to say statements like this what else are they going to say?

The F-16 pilot who shot down the Su-24 last year is in the coup.

https://twitter.com/NedretErsanel/status/754243018572591104

This looks like, smells like a CIA backed coup, maybe a warning to Erdogan to not make peace with Russia, I am relived that this coup did not happen because the next government would have been more hostile to Russia, on the other hand I am kind of happy, when Syria was getting destroyed, Turks were laughing, good to see, the Turks get a taste of their own medicine. I just hope something like this happens in Saudi Arabia.

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Haha, you know after seen the Turkish people "defending" there democratic choice, i feel like i am gonna be laughing at them when Erdogan go's full Adolf and the military isn't there to help them, if anything this coup was premature.

Not premature, simply too small. Baited to get out of the woods?

Idk, false-flagging/instigating a coup is pretty damn effective a splintering a country, that's a massive risk to take just to purge a few (okay maybe a lot) of your enemies. Also, news said something about him crying for asylum in Germany, that doesn't sound like someone in a position of confidence.

But, kudos to his police force, they seem like pretty hardcore loyal bastards. When you have AH-1Ws strafing your positions I'd be seriously considering losing the uniform and going home... which does raise another question as to why the hell they were so confident given the situation.

@KoTeMoRe
No, to me it's premature, so long as they had the backing of the people they would have succeeded no matter how small they may be.
They should have waited for the people to go against Erdogan first, then initiate the coup, like what happened in Egypt.

@OminousSpudd it's no mystery, they were confident because they had the peoples support.

Turkish PM: Any country that stands by cleric Gulen will be at war with Turkey
Source: Reuters

Any country that stands by the Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen will not be a friend of Turkey and will be considered at war with the NATO member, Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said on Saturday.

The government said that followers of Gulen, who has been living in self-imposed exile in the United States for years, were behind the attempted coup by a faction of the military on Friday.

The government accuses Gulen of trying to build a "parallel structure" within the judiciary, education system, media and military as a way to overthrow the state, a charge the cleric denies.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-primeminister-gulen-idUSKCN0ZW0K5?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_con

URGENT - Turkey Incirlik Air Base
Source: CNN

(CNN) -- Power to Turkey's Incirlik Air Base in Adana has been cut, the U.S. consulate in Turkey said Saturday. Local authorities are preventing movement onto and off the base, according to the consulate, which warned U.S. citizens to avoid the air base until normal operations are restored.

Read more: http://www.wptz.com/national/urgent-turkey-incirlik-air-base/40740900


Incirlik also serves as a NATO nuclear weapons depot.

AlfaT8 wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Haha, you know after seen the Turkish people "defending" there democratic choice, i feel like i am gonna be laughing at them when Erdogan go's full Adolf and the military isn't there to help them, if anything this coup was premature.

Not premature, simply too small. Baited to get out of the woods?

Idk, false-flagging/instigating a coup is pretty damn effective a splintering a country, that's a massive risk to take just to purge a few (okay maybe a lot) of your enemies. Also, news said something about him crying for asylum in Germany, that doesn't sound like someone in a position of confidence.

But, kudos to his police force, they seem like pretty hardcore loyal bastards. When you have AH-1Ws strafing your positions I'd be seriously considering losing the uniform and going home... which does raise another question as to why the hell they were so confident given the situation.

@KoTeMoRe
No, to me it's premature, so long as they had the backing of the people they would have succeeded no matter how small they may be.
They should have waited for the people to go against Erdogan first, then initiate the coup, like what happened in Egypt.

@OminousSpudd it's no mystery, they were confident because they had the peoples support.

This why I dont think it was a western coup, the US knows how to coup. We have been doing it for years and years now

Turkey Coup Supporters Arrested in Greece After Landing in Helicopter
Source: WSJ

ATHENS—A Turkish military helicopter carrying eight supporters of the coup against President Recep Tayyip Erdogan landed in the Greek city of Alexandroupolis at noon local time on Saturday, several Greek officials said.

“They are military officers up to the level of major,” a senior Greek official said.

The helicopter landed after sending a distress signal. All eight people were arrested by Greek police as soon as it touched down on charges of illegal entry into the country and transferred to the local police station, according to local officials.

The eight coup supporters have all requested political asylum in Greece and these requests are being processed, although Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has asked Greece to extradite those on the helicopter seeking asylum.

Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkish-military-helicopter-lands-in-greece-after-sending-distress-signal-1468668421

SeigSoloyvov wrote: This why I dont think it was a western coup, the US knows how to coup. We have been doing it for years and years now

Sometimes they do  sometimes they dont  they failed in Russia in 2012 and Brazil and in Kazakhstan in 2016.  Ukropistan was defunct state without any real elite.

BTW In Ukropistan they had a quarter of century in Turkey couple of weeks.  IMHO Putin was  pretty fast in restoring relations with Erdo and Erdo with saying sorry to Russia. You think intel was not working in both countries? they knew what only not when..

AlfaT8 wrote:
@KoTeMoRe
No, to me it's premature, so long as they had the backing of the people they would have succeeded no matter how small they may be.
They should have waited for the people to go against Erdogan first, then initiate the coup, like what happened in Egypt.

Time, they had not enough time...US inte apparently did not know about Erdo and Vova´s reconciliation discussions and when gas pipe resumption was stated by Erdo...they gave their best shot and failed

Coup was not in void separated from economy, politics, war, social problems...just bare facts:


The Prime Minister of Turkey: the project NPP "Akkuyu" has priority, it is important to realize

He also noted that these projects have for the "Turkey's different degree of importance." Yildirim stressed that the "Akkuyu" paramount importance".
"We Express confidence that in the near future cooperation in these areas will be restored. Economic processes for some time been interrupted, but now is the time to restore them fully", he concluded.
The intergovernmental agreement of the Russian Federation and Turkey on cooperation in the sphere of construction and operation of a nuclear power plant in the Akkuyu district of Mersin in southern Turkey was signed in 2010. The design of the first Turkish NPP includes four VVER. The capacity of each reactor will be 1200 MW. The cost of the project reportedly is about $ 20 billion.

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Yildirim said about the need to resume the project "Turkish stream"

https://lenta.ru/news/2016/07/15/turkish_akkyu_stream/

Turkey considers it necessary to restore large-scale joint projects with Russia, including the construction of the gas pipeline "Turkish stream" and NPP "Akkuyu", which for the Republic is paramount. On Friday, July 15, Prime Minister of Turkey, Binali Yildirim, reports RIA Novosti.

"For Russia and Turkey it is important to recover and implement projects for gas pipeline "Turkish stream", the construction of NPP "Akkuyu", and also to draw attention to the possibility of increasing tourist traffic to the resorts of our country and Russian citizens in Russia our compatriots," he said.

Yildirim said that these areas of cooperation have different degree of importance for Turkey and the priority is the construction of a nuclear power plant.

"Economic processes [between the two countries — approx. "Of the tape.<url>"] at some time have been interrupted, but now is the time to restore them fully", he added.

In early July, the Minister of economy of Turkey Nihat Zeybekci said that hopes for continuation of dialogue with Russia on gas pipeline "Turkish stream" (it should pass under the Black sea to Turkey and further to European countries). In "Gazprom", in turn, spoke about the high degree of readiness of the project to attract funding

AlfaT8 wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Haha, you know after seen the Turkish people "defending" there democratic choice, i feel like i am gonna be laughing at them when Erdogan go's full Adolf and the military isn't there to help them, if anything this coup was premature.

Not premature, simply too small. Baited to get out of the woods?

Idk, false-flagging/instigating a coup is pretty damn effective a splintering a country, that's a massive risk to take just to purge a few (okay maybe a lot) of your enemies. Also, news said something about him crying for asylum in Germany, that doesn't sound like someone in a position of confidence.

But, kudos to his police force, they seem like pretty hardcore loyal bastards. When you have AH-1Ws strafing your positions I'd be seriously considering losing the uniform and going home... which does raise another question as to why the hell they were so confident given the situation.

@KoTeMoRe
No, to me it's premature, so long as they had the backing of the people they would have succeeded no matter how small they may be.
They should have waited for the people to go against Erdogan first, then initiate the coup, like what happened in Egypt.

@OminousSpudd it's no mystery, they were confident because they had the peoples support.

Backing of the people means little. The fact they almost didn't fought back but tried a decapitation move, tells me this was a matter of opportunity, rather than consensus with the "people" (that means nothing look at Brazil).

My opinion is clearly that the people were running out of time, thought they had a window and acted. Somehow a huge part of the military either stood in apathy or accepted to stay with Erdross. What makes me even more furious is the fact every "secular" party stood with Erdogan, including Kurds.

This means exactly that the Syrian BS has clearly cured a lot of illnesses and created a profound apathy regarding Erdogan, better this than civil war. As much as I wanted to believe, this is clearly a sign of cowardice on the behalf of those who tried to get Erdross out of power three years ago.

Well I though Turks weren't that much cowards. Turns out they are.

PapaDragon wrote:
''Turkish soldier 'beheaded by pro-government mob on Istanbul's Bosphorus Bridge' after failed coup attempt''

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/turkish-soldier-beheaded-pro-government-8433319

Not beheaded, just shot in the face and they kill three other soldiers on the bridge. A lot of these Pro-Democracy guys aren't even Turkish according to locals. But Syrian fugees.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
''Turkish soldier 'beheaded by pro-government mob on Istanbul's Bosphorus Bridge' after failed coup attempt''

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/turkish-soldier-beheaded-pro-government-8433319

Not beheaded, just shot in the face and they kill three other soldiers on the bridge. A lot of these Pro-Democracy guys aren't even Turkish according to locals. But Syrian fugees.

Most probably ISIS and Al Nusra fighters. They have a lot of experiences with head chopping. Turkey is now actually in the hands of jihadist terrorists. This is a great victory for ISIS and Al Nusra.

Turkey Coup: US would consider extraditing Fethullah Gulen after Erdogan points finger at cleric

The Obama administration would consider an extradition request for the US-based cleric that Turkey's president is blaming for a failed coup attempt, US Secretary of State John Kerry said Saturday.

But he said Turkey's government would have to prove Fethullah Gulen's wrongdoing.

“We haven't received any request with respect to Mr. Gulen,” Kerry told reporters. “We fully anticipate that there will be questions raised about Mr. Gulen. And obviously we would invite the government of Turkey, as we always do, to present us with any legitimate evidence that withstands scrutiny. And the United States will accept that and look at it and make judgments about it appropriately.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-fethullah-gulen-erdogan-extradition-us-barack-obama-john-kerry-return-cleric-blamed-a7140786.html

KoTeMoRe wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Haha, you know after seen the Turkish people "defending" there democratic choice, i feel like i am gonna be laughing at them when Erdogan go's full Adolf and the military isn't there to help them, if anything this coup was premature.

Not premature, simply too small. Baited to get out of the woods?

Idk, false-flagging/instigating a coup is pretty damn effective a splintering a country, that's a massive risk to take just to purge a few (okay maybe a lot) of your enemies. Also, news said something about him crying for asylum in Germany, that doesn't sound like someone in a position of confidence.

But, kudos to his police force, they seem like pretty hardcore loyal bastards. When you have AH-1Ws strafing your positions I'd be seriously considering losing the uniform and going home... which does raise another question as to why the hell they were so confident given the situation.

@KoTeMoRe
No, to me it's premature, so long as they had the backing of the people they would have succeeded no matter how small they may be.
They should have waited for the people to go against Erdogan first, then initiate the coup, like what happened in Egypt.

@OminousSpudd it's no mystery, they were confident because they had the peoples support.

Backing of the people means little. The fact they almost didn't fought back but tried a decapitation move, tells me this was a matter of opportunity, rather than consensus with the "people" (that means nothing look at Brazil).

My opinion is clearly that the people were running out of time, thought they had a window and acted. Somehow a huge part of the military either stood in apathy or accepted to stay with Erdross. What makes me even more furious is the fact every "secular" party stood with Erdogan, including Kurds.

This means exactly that the Syrian BS has clearly cured a lot of illnesses and created a profound apathy regarding Erdogan, better this than civil war. As much as I wanted to believe, this is clearly a sign of cowardice on the behalf of those who tried to get Erdross out of power three years ago.

Well I though Turks weren't that much cowards. Turns out they are.

What opportunity, Erdogan wasn't even there to catch some stray bullets, this was so F'ing sloppy, i am willing to bet anyone on this forum could do better.
(what about Brazil, that was a political coup not a military one, and the people were divided there)

Meh, they would have supported whoever won out just to survive.

Zivo wrote:Turkey Coup: US would consider extraditing Fethullah Gulen after Erdogan points finger at cleric

The Obama administration would consider an extradition request for the US-based cleric that Turkey's president is blaming for a failed coup attempt, US Secretary of State John Kerry said Saturday.

But he said Turkey's government would have to prove Fethullah Gulen's wrongdoing.

“We haven't received any request with respect to Mr. Gulen,” Kerry told reporters. “We fully anticipate that there will be questions raised about Mr. Gulen. And obviously we would invite the government of Turkey, as we always do, to present us with any legitimate evidence that withstands scrutiny. And the United States will accept that and look at it and make judgments about it appropriately.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-fethullah-gulen-erdogan-extradition-us-barack-obama-john-kerry-return-cleric-blamed-a7140786.html

Oh they will give him up to appease turkey no problem

PapaDragon wrote:
He did not just say that...

''Turkish Minister Blames US Authorities for Organizing Coup Attempt''

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160716/1043134590/turkey-minister-us.html

Huh.....Well. Hm not sure what to say here, I mean finally?

Lets see if they shit can him for saying it tho

Yes and I think this is a victory comparable in size with the disaster in Ukraine. Atlantisists are so much in panic that they suddenly fall in love with Erdogan in the sake of "democracy" lmao.
I finally expect war in Syria to end soon and I wouldn't like to be Saudi prince right now.

After ERdogan clean the country from Gullen supporters ,it will be the best time to try another Coup but with pro Kurdish secular factions against NATO leading it.  

But maybe ,just maybe that will not be needed , If Erdogan turns to give a headache to NATO in retaliation for the coup and move in the direction of Russia and IRAN and cut all its relations with Alqaeda and ISIS.  

Because here is the problem in Turkey..

based on erdogan results in previous elections..
There is a ~30%-55% like extremist in Turkey ,that did not mind for 5 years
Erdogan providing weapons to terrorist to fight in Syria ,like the troll who enter
in the forums some time ago ,who was praising his ERdowi government was going
to take back Aleppo and annex it.

In the other side you have like ~30% to 45% of Turkey citizens that hates Erdogan with
passion and Islam too. i know a few of them and they are Pro Europe Turkish citizens.That really
will like to be part of EUrope.   So if a pro Kurdish President ,from democracy and freedom,leader gets in power in Turkey,through a coup , it will be difficult to hold power for him/her. Because Americans will have most of Turkey population on their side ,against any pro Civilization and Democracy president. So will be easy to overthrow it.. find generals and military and civilians who will consider a major insult to allow a pro Christian ,President lead the country.

But if .. Big IF , Erdogan do the unthinkable , that is reverse all his policies since the Soros Arab Spring Began , and restore relations with all his neighbors and stop backing terrorism.and help
Syria and Russia to recover 100% of Syria territory and defeat terrorism.. then you will have a case of a Repressive dictator in Turkey that will have a constructive foreign policy in the middle east.

So Putin will do well to restore policies with Turkey ,for the sake of security in Russia and in the region , if ERdogan move away from terrorism and start good relations with them. Because what is good for Russia is not good for NATO and vice versa. And this is the case of Ukraine too.
Overthrowing Poroshenko and allowing the Ultra Nationalist to take power ,will not make things
better for Russia.  Unless the overthrow of him.. gets in power a so hated leader ,that it encourage another coup.. this is exactly what happened in Egypt. Americans overthrow
a dictator that had independence and nationalistic ambitions and replace it for a Pro Muslin Brotherhood extremist Mubarack . that the first thing he does when get in power is install Islam
and the only religion in Egypt. it was moving to become another sharia law nation.  But then pro secular ,pro christian citizens overthrow mubarack with their protest and get a Pro secular ,Pro Russian President Sisi.  



But still Sisi face major problems to hold power ,because there is too many radicals
in Egypt ,that will like his country to return to the stone age ,and will like freedom of religion and democracy suppressed .

So when it comes to foreign policy , when it comes to diplomacy Putin is doing the right thing.
Russia policy is not about choosing the good guys vs the bad ones. but more about getting
the support of a country ,that Americans cannot use ,to cause too much troubles to Russia.
With Poroshenko at least Russia can talk , is much better than to have the right sector in power in Ukraine. With Erdogan ,he seems to be ready to change ,and restore relations with Russia.
So its too early to say , but i think is worth of a try ,to see if Erdowi do what he claims wants to do. ie.. Restore relations with all neighbors and abandon cooperation with terrorism. But time will tell ,but not crossing fingers. will be nice to see Erdowi to start open his eyes , and see that he have no chance to survive in power without the support of IRAN and Russia. Because now
even NATO is seeking to overthrow him.

Does anyone know who were behind the coup? Was it Kemalists or Gulenists? Reportedly, Greece is sending the 7 officers and 1 civilians back to Turkey which would be worrisome since Erdogan will torture them and make them say they are Gulenists.

Resistance wrote:Does anyone know who were behind the coup? Was it Kemalists or Gulenists? Reportedly, Greece is sending the 7 officers and 1 civilians back to Turkey which would be worrisome since Erdogan will torture them and make them say they are Gulenists.

Erdogan says it was Gullen , a turkish radical cleric who is anti Erdogan and flee United States..

The Turkish Labour minister Süleyman Soylu said on Haberturk TV that the US is behind the coup attempt. And earlier Erdogan said "Turkey will not be run from a house in Pennsylvania, ” on TRT World. “Turkey is not a country that can be bought or sold cheaply,” he added as well as "US is no friend of Turkey!"

So finally Erdogan discover the earth is not flat and is round.
I knew Americans were going to betray him ,sooner or later ,because Russia exposed
them too much ,into Turkey cooperation with ISIS and Alqaeda with NATO support.
and Erdogan claim to restore relations with Russia and Syria was the last nail in the coffin
for Americans.

So my bet is , that if Erdogan really do ,what he claims ,and totally reverse its policies and restore relations with Russia and Syria. Then US and NATO will become even more hostile
to Erdogan ,and more coups attemps will happen and attempts to his life. and more Erdogan
will need ,to get closer to Russia ,China and IRAN. and more its nation economy move towards EuroAsia.