Alleged 2016 military coup attempt in Turkey

Just a reminder that some think that this was a well planned exercise in increasing Erdogan's power in Turkey, basically an excuse for him to eliminate any opposition still remaining in the country.

When we described the aftermath of Turkey's failed, and painfully disorganized military coup attempt, we asked rhetorically, "Who wins?" To which we answered: "Why Erdogan of course. As he said during a press conference upon his arrival back in Istanbul in the early Saturday morning hours, the coup is an opportunity to "to purge the military." Erdogan also vowed to exact "the highest price" from the perpetrators. Or, to summarize, the military said Erdogan's power consolidation justifies the attempted coup; Erdogan said the coup justifies further consolidation of power."

Overnight, when analyzing the market's take of the coup, Renaissance Capital's Michael Harris said that "for markets to respond positively, we think Erdogan must go the reconciliation route, pledging not to hold elections for the coming year and committing to a consensus approach to constitutional change. More likely, though, Erdogan will seek to leverage this into a constitutional super-majority via a snap election."

Their conclusion: "A military coup has failed, but if Erdogan responds to this historic moment the wrong way, a democratic coup could be the result." Not surprisingly, as of this morning, Erdogan is indeed responding to this historic moment the "wrong way."  But before we get to that point, there are questions whether this coup was even that.

As a NYT analyst on the ground pointed out, confirming what we said last night, the planning, organization and implementation of the attempted military overthrow were suspect at best and outright laughable at worst:

We don't have to remind readers that when military coups take place in the middle-east, they are i) ruthless, ii) extremely well-organized and planned, and iii) succeed on virtually every occasion. But not this one. The question why is what the media (or at least its fringes) will be pondering over the next few days and weeks.

What there is no question about, however, is Erdogan's response, which as he warned last night, would begin with a quick crackdown against the army. As of this moment, hundreds of soldiers have already been arrested. As AP adds, local NTV television has shown footage of a Turkish colonel and other soldiers being taken into custody at military headquarters. The video shows them being hand-searched by special forces police, their hands behind their heads. Some are later seen kneeling on the ground, their hands still held behind their heads.

According to Hurriyet newspaper's online edition, some of the privates who were detained told interrogators they were not aware that they were part of a coup attempt. They had been told by commanders they were taking part in military maneuvers. Some said they understood that it was a coup attempt when they saw civilians climb on tanks.

The pro-Erdogan, state-run Anadolu Agency added all soldiers involved in the attempted coup at the military headquarters in the capital, Ankara, have been taken into custody. The report says anti-terrorism police will now conduct a "detailed search" at the headquarters.

However, the real punchline was revealed moments ago when Anadolu said a top body overseeing judges and prosecutors has dismissed 2,745 judges across the country. Anadolu Agency says the emergency meeting of the Judges and Prosecutors High Council was held Saturday, mere hours after Turkish forces quashed an attempted coup, and promptly purged the slate clean of anyone in the judicial branch who was seen as even remotely opposed to Erdogan. Promptly following that, Turkey's state-run news agency also said that authorities have detained 10 members of Turkey's highest administrative court as the government pressed ahead with a purge of judiciary officials with alleged links to a U.S.-based Muslim cleric, which impressively was concluded just hours after the coup had fizzled: almost as if it had all been planned all along.

The Anadolu Agency added on Saturday that arrest warrants were issued for 48 administrative court members and 140 members of Turkey's appeals court: as if members of Turkey's judicial system - long on Erdodan's black list - were involved in the army's failed putsch.

The report said the meeting was called to discuss disciplinary measures against members suspected of links to the movement led by the U.S.-based Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen. The government says the attempted coup was carried out by a clique within the military loyal to Gulen's movement. However, as we reported last night, the cleric Fethullah Gulen, who is currently residing in the US, said he condemned the coup “in the strongest terms.” Gulen, as those who have followed recent Turkish history know, is Erdogan's quasi-imaginary bogeyman nemesis; Erdogan has repeatedly accused Gulen of plotting a "parallel state" whose intention is to overthrow Erdogan, and has used that strawman narrative as justification to expand his powers and to push for a shift from a parliamentary to a presidential regime. Gulen wrote in his blog that "As someone who suffered under multiple military coups during the past five decades, it is especially insulting to be accused of having any link to such an attempt. I categorically deny such accusations."

Was Gulen behind the coup? Hardly. But as over the past several years, the spectre of a Gulen "coup" - now culminating with last night's events - is all that Erdogan will need to further cement his ruthelss, authoritarian grasp over the country, which this morning, with gun shots still heard in Turkey, began with the cleansing of all judges and prosecutors even remotely critical of the "president." Recall that just two months ago, we reported that "Erdogan Nears Absolute Power With Appointment Of Puppet Premier, Stripping MPs Of Immunity."

As of right now, Erdogan has removed the two last hurdles on his way to absolute, supreme power: holdouts in Turkey's judicial branch and in the army. As such, the path forward for Erdogan - now left with no domestic opposition whatsoever - is all too clear.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-16/erdogans-counter-coup-begins-turkey-purges-2745-judges-prosecutors-arrests-hundreds

Indeed it is possible the whole thing was a false flag. A coup that do nothing to kill
Erdogan and allow him to communicate with CNN and BBC and keep media operating
is stranger. So we should not be surprised ,if Erdogan dont change its policies. at all.
and only he consolidate power.

PapaDragon wrote:
He did not just say that...

''Turkish Minister Blames US Authorities for Organizing Coup Attempt''

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160716/1043134590/turkey-minister-us.html

‘Turkey coup plotter’ Gulen: Failed uprising could have been ‘staged’ by Erdogan himself

https://www.rt.com/news/351656-gulen-erdogan-staged-coup-claims/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

The preacher who has been accused by the Turkish government of trying to seize power in a military coup has hit back, appearing to accuse President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of conducting a deadly false flag operation, and comparing him to Hitler.

“There is a possibility that it could be a staged coup, by Mr Erdogan’s AKP Party, and it could be meant for further accusations, against the Gulenists and the military,” Fathullah Gulen, who is in exile in Pennsylvania, told the media Saturday.

Meanwhile, Erdie is trying to use this event to make a Great Purge. I dunno if there will be a suppression against Kurds, secular parties and journalists in Turkey ?

https://www.rt.com/news/351630-erdogan-turkish-military-relationships/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

“This uprising is a gift from God to us because this will be a reason to cleanse our army,” President Recep Taiyp Erdogan stated earlier on Friday night, addressing a large and desperate crowd of his supporters.

Vann7 wrote:

Indeed it is possible the whole thing was a false flag. A coup that do nothing to kill
Erdogan and allow him to communicate with CNN and BBC and keep media operating
is stranger. So we should not be surprised ,if Erdogan dont change its policies. at all.
and only he consolidate power.

No, u r mistaken, they didnt alowed him to talk via skype(witch was main platform of comunication between west and Erdogan) they werent c[able to stop him, this coup failed for two reasons: military was devided but mostly on erdogan side on more rural areas of Turkey and social networks, witch managed to alow Erdogan to comunicate with his loyalist in civilian sector. Army wasnt capble to fire at civilians and suppres counter blockade and one of "reason" was to bring "democracy and freedom" so firing at civilian loyalists was out of question from start.

TL;DR : They didnt killed Erdogan in first strike, he striked back and won by supperior loyalist force.

higurashihougi wrote:
‘Turkey coup plotter’ Gulen: Failed uprising could have been ‘staged’ by Erdogan himself

https://www.rt.com/news/351656-gulen-erdogan-staged-coup-claims/?

US stooge Gulen and US sponsor Kerry say this was Erdogan huh? 2 weeks after Erdogan changed course to reconcile with Russia and South Stream to be built? no wonder 2 weeks only to prepare coup... CIA boys at least can say force majeure right?

I´d expect soon in US/eu "free" ( )media campaign to show Erdo as ruthless ruler and almost ISIS creator with is not representing Turks at least as long ads he keeps course on Russia and Iran

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:
‘Turkey coup plotter’ Gulen: Failed uprising could have been ‘staged’ by Erdogan himself

https://www.rt.com/news/351656-gulen-erdogan-staged-coup-claims/?

US stooge  Gulen and US sponsor Kerry say this was Erdogan huh? 2 weeks after Erdogan changed course to reconcile with Russia and South Stream to be built? no wonder  2 weeks only to prepare coup... CIA boys at least can say force majeure right?

I´d expect soon in US/eu "free" (     )media campaign to show Erdo as ruthless ruler and almost ISIS creator with is not representing Turks at least as long ads he keeps course on Russia and Iran

I don't see where Kerry accused him of this just that he said that guys claim was a lie referring to the Ministar who said US was behind it.

So far most of the facts point to It was a fake coup, this is very possible don't get me wrong.

fake because US says this right? in Armenia/Karabakh is also not US, Ucrying too

What a bullshit of a "coup" .

Erdofuck just grabing full power,eliminating army and judicial power,  some poor idiots were ordered to do a drillcoup on the busy streets of Istanbul full of erdogan's beardie maidanite thugs while nobody even tried to kill or seize Erdo prior the show  LOL .
And this iphone conference on turkish CNN  of all places hahaha , there is literally 0 chance muricans would allow that if they were really behind this sorry theatre.

But hey Erdo is now good friend* of Russia, he even shot the turkey (oh the irony !) pilot** who shot down russian
plane , and you now what ? This hero was in this coup also ,talk anout convenient -  baaadaang, comedy gold  


* read : until his next betrayal of course

** not that it smells like totally made up bullshit by the torks on the go



Bottom like it's really crappy that it was totally fake provocation and had no chance of becoming long internal turkishl civil war.
Too many snackbar hardcore sickos in Turkey now.

Erdo will probably use cleansed army to destroy kurds at home and in Syria.

On a lighter note is that "our" Mustapha ?



Don't have his famous steroid junkie selfie to compare but there are many similarities

AlfaT8 wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Haha, you know after seen the Turkish people "defending" there democratic choice, i feel like i am gonna be laughing at them when Erdogan go's full Adolf and the military isn't there to help them, if anything this coup was premature.

Not premature, simply too small. Baited to get out of the woods?

Idk, false-flagging/instigating a coup is pretty damn effective a splintering a country, that's a massive risk to take just to purge a few (okay maybe a lot) of your enemies. Also, news said something about him crying for asylum in Germany, that doesn't sound like someone in a position of confidence.

But, kudos to his police force, they seem like pretty hardcore loyal bastards. When you have AH-1Ws strafing your positions I'd be seriously considering losing the uniform and going home... which does raise another question as to why the hell they were so confident given the situation.

@KoTeMoRe
No, to me it's premature, so long as they had the backing of the people they would have succeeded no matter how small they may be.
They should have waited for the people to go against Erdogan first, then initiate the coup, like what happened in Egypt.

@OminousSpudd it's no mystery, they were confident because they had the peoples support.

Backing of the people means little. The fact they almost didn't fought back but tried a decapitation move, tells me this was a matter of opportunity, rather than consensus with the "people" (that means nothing look at Brazil).

My opinion is clearly that the people were running out of time, thought they had a window and acted. Somehow a huge part of the military either stood in apathy or accepted to stay with Erdross. What makes me even more furious is the fact every "secular" party stood with Erdogan, including Kurds.

This means exactly that the Syrian BS has clearly cured a lot of illnesses and created a profound apathy regarding Erdogan, better this than civil war. As much as I wanted to believe, this is clearly a sign of cowardice on the behalf of those who tried to get Erdross out of power three years ago.

Well I though Turks weren't that much cowards. Turns out they are.

What opportunity, Erdogan wasn't even there to catch some stray bullets, this was so F'ing sloppy, i am willing to bet anyone on this forum could do better.
(what about Brazil, that was a political coup not a military one, and the people were divided there)

Meh, they would have supported whoever won out just to survive.

Erdogan was monitored by both Istanbul AFB/Inçirlik AFB and the US. At no point did the US tried to stop; slow down or even clutter the coverage of Erdo's plane. At no moment the US while the coup was being in motion, did call for a respect of the "democratically elected" gov. Erdogan was made fly back to Istanbul IAP and was expected to be caught on the tarmac. They failed to keep Atatürk IAP under control and they failed to keep the Gendarmerie checked. Yeah we could have done better if we had Long Range SAM's, which Turkey doesn't own.

We also know that unlike what was said, the "pro-Erdigan" crowd only mobilized (and then les than 15 thousand in Ankara, and less than 30K in Istanbul) way later in the morning of Saturday. Most of the pitched battles were made by the Gendarmerie (Internal Troops) and part of the TSK that was back from Iraq. Also despite rumours, only 4 planes were used by Pro-Erdoshit army faction, while half a squadron was on the Putsch side. Then the had the "Syrians".

I agree that they bungled the AKP operation, killing AKP leadership and MP's and they also had to few people for two cities that have 15 million and 4/5 million inhabitants.

It wasn't sloppy per se, they just thought that the show of force would stop part of the Islamists. However the Police and Gendarmerie reacted too fast. This coup needed more men and more killing.

Possibly it was something between a real coup and a false flag.
That is that Erdogan with his closest allies , planned a self coup ,with the intention
to see who will join it , to arrest them.  You simply get a few loyal generals ,to pretend
to rebel against Erdogan , in order to justify the arrest of the real opposition of Erdogan
that could pose a treat to ERdogan power.  So it was probably ,Erdogan lured its enemies
into follow a coup ,not organized by them and fall in the trap.

What is dangerous about this is ,that this tactic can be used by the white house too ,to consolidate power or any other nation to bypass democracy with the pretext of punishment
to anyone who participated in a coup.

In other news Erdogan problems are far from over..

Turkey indirectly threaten with War United States if not extradite Gullen.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160717/1043173747/turkey-washington-obama-kerry-erdogan.html


42 Helicopters Missing in Turkey Sparking Concerns of a Second Coup Attempt

http://sputniknews.com/news/20160717/1043162524/helicopters-turkey-coup-erdogan-weapons.html

If the threat for war really happened by Erdogan on Americans ,then his days are over.
Americans with Europe will now give the order to start plans to overthrow ERdogan at any
cost with cooperation with all western intelligence agencies. NAturally Russia will not participate
there ,since have real chance to at least normalize relations with Turkey now under a rebellious
ERdogan to his American masters. But the European Union have almost nothing to lose and a lot to win by replacing Erdogan. Specially that under  the super puppet CUllen leading Turkey , The millions of refugees of Europe could be all  be returned to Turkey and for free ,without paying a dime for that.

yet the problem of terrorism will continue in middle east even worse ,and the probability of a war with Russia by Turkey could be higher. it will be really easy for Americans to get rid of Erdogan ,without any invasion , because all they need to do ,is a major sabotage on Turkey
Economy and you will see how those loyal Erdopig followers ,will rebel against him . Because his followers are all opportunistic thugs ,that cares nothing about human rights or human lives or moral , Like the mustafa Trol who visited the forums ,Most Turky Fanatics ,will dance around anyone who help them improve their economy ,regardless of the integrity and morality of his president ,or whether he support ISIS or ALqaeda.

KoTeMoRe wrote:
Erdogan was monitored by both Istanbul AFB/Inçirlik AFB and the US. At no point did the US tried to stop; slow down or even clutter the coverage of Erdo's plane. At no moment the US while the coup was being in motion, did call for a respect of the "democratically elected" gov.

"democratically elected candidate" means the one which is appointed by US. What people say doesn´t matter.


In Ucrying US also did not shoot anybody only NATO trained criminals from UPA did.  In 1990 also there was no official US involvement in none of East European coups.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
by fake coup I mean him having it happen to eliminate the last pillars of resistance to his dictatorship.

I have not seen the US state that Erodogan started the coup to seize power.

You haven´t but Putin has taking into account way their contacts resumed.

Vann7 wrote:Turkey indirectly threaten with War United States if not extradite Gullen.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160717/1043173747/turkey-washington-obama-kerry-erdogan.html

you ´d better read not only tittles but also stories next time

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

you ´d better read not only tittles but also stories next time

And i did..

Prime Minister Binali Yildirim threated to go to war with any country that would "stand by" exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen,

1)Gulen is living for decades in United States under american protection.
2)Turkey accuse Gulen of the coup.
3)Prime Minister threatens with war any country who stand with Gulen.

it looks pretty clear Turkey is suggesting the possibility of a war with USA
if stand with Gulen. Whether they do it is another thing. The war however could be by proxy
or simply by sabotage Americans policies in middle east. which ERdogan can do.. hit hard Americans where it hurts.. by betraying their Alqaeda and ISIS buddies. the warnings are there.
and Americans will never forget those warnings.  They have overthrow Presidents
for Far less. and Normalizing Relations with Russia will be the nail in the coffin.
But Erdogan will be doomed anyway.. Doomed if remain loyal to americans ,doomed
if go against them. But by moving in the direction of Russia and IRAN he have a major
chance to at least hold for some years in power in Turkey, 3-5 more, and and even bigger chance to survive with his family and flee to a place he will protected. like IRAN or Russia.
So Erdogan have big chances to survive if move towards IRAN and Russia ,normalize relations.
and Zero chance to survive if continue following Americans. But when it comes to hold power in Turkey is next to zero ,because once Turkey economy destroyed , his loyal supporters will turn against him ,including the mustafa troll ,that the only thing they care is about money.

So right now Erdogan will be a HUGE PAIN in the ASS for NATO. and this is good news for
Russia.  Because NATO will be unable to lock Russia or isolate ,with a cooperative Turkey
and will be unable to use ISIS or Alqaeda against Russia effectively if Turkey cut relations with
them ,and even tells Russia of all the terrorist ring in Russia. So ERdogan can significantly help Russia with its security. by completely reversing its support for American sponsored terrorist.

Turkey could ever stop NATO warships to enter black sea.. and this will be very Good for Russia.
and not allow any more missiles to enter in the black sea from NATO , and Blackmail Romania and Georgia and Ukraine and everyone in the region too since they control the entry of the black sea.  So if everything goes well ,for Russia , ie.. That Erdogan totally break relations with United States. ,then Putin can use Americans own hitmen ,against them. and even help him hold power in change for helping Russia security and ending his support for terrorism and helping Syria retake all its territory.  If all this things really happen.. Good relations between Russia and Turkey.. and terrible relations between NATO and Turkey.. this could be on the guiness record as the biggest diplomatic Victory of Russia on his life time.  That not only
avoided a war ,it had nothing to win , but also turned American major allies in the zone
against them.   Turkey-IRAN-Ruso alliance can even be used to keep in check Israel in the zone or to help yemenis overthrow the Saudi Power and reverse the proxy war against Americans ,move it from Syria to Saudi Arabia and with Americans trying to hold Saudis in power.      Now combine that with UK now winds of independence.. from US , and you will see a real pattern of United State losing control in the world at an unprecedent speed.

The more nations in the world ,push for their independence and defense of its interest.
regardless if they are good nations or evil ones ,the less power Americans will have in the world and less influence. and the more difficult will be for Americans to fight Russia and isolate them.

JohninMK wrote:
[i]

Their conclusion: "A military coup has failed, but if Erdogan responds to this historic moment the wrong way, a democratic coup could be the result." Not surprisingly, as of this morning, Erdogan is indeed responding to this historic moment the "wrong way."  But before we get to that point, there are questions whether this coup was even that.

As a NYT analyst on the ground pointed out, confirming what we said last night, the planning, organization and implementation of the attempted military overthrow were suspect at best and outright laughable at worst:


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-16/erdogans-counter-coup-begins-turkey-purges-2745-judges-prosecutors-arrests-hundreds

zerohedge is US portal right? NYT analyst? an din Us there is democracy? or in UK? :D:D

Vann7 wrote:3)Prime Minister threatens with war any country who stand with Gulen.

Sputnik must have hired auto translators between Turkish 2 Chinese 2 Finish and Finnish to Russian. The Prime Minister of Turkey Binali Yildirim openly said that

Russian NTV
"any country that helps the Imam, is at war with Turkey."
http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1643618/


Reuters:
Any country that stands by the Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen will not be a friend of Turkey and will be considered at war with the NATO member, Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said on Saturday.



So you about war waged against Turkey. difference it huge.

Vann7 wrote:
So right now Erdogan will be a HUGE PAIN in the ASS for NATO. and this is good news for
Russia.  Because NATO will be unable to lock Russia or isolate ,with a cooperative Turkey
and will be unable to use ISIS or Alqaeda against Russia effectively if Turkey cut relations with
them ,and even tells Russia of all the terrorist ring in Russia. So ERdogan can significantly help Russia with its security. by completely reversing its support for American sponsored terrorist.

He is big pain already since he PM said loud: yes Turkish Stream, NPPs are of paramount importance for Turkey...

Well Erdo is no angel neither stupid. He might realize thet remodelling of ME also means dissembling of Turkey. Not only Iran/Iraq/Syria. Besides Taxim Square was earlier color revolution trial. Failed. Now only 2 weeks of course of reconciliation with Russia Erdo has coup attempt? coincidence? rally?

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GunshipDemocracy wrote:
He is big pain already since he PM said loud: yes Turkish Stream, NPPs are of paramount importance for Turkey...

Well Erdo is no angel neither stupid. He might realize thet remodelling of ME also means dissembling of Turkey. Not only Iran/Iraq/Syria. Besides Taxim Square was earlier color revolution trial. Failed. Now only 2 weeks of course of reconciliation with Russia Erdo has coup attempt? coincidence? rally?

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Alright.. you got a point there.. lol


Turkey breaking relations with Americans ,will be a major kick in the balls of Americans.
Because the whole war in Syria will lose one of its major purposes to happen ,that will be a
pipeline from Saudi Arabia to Europe through Syria-Turkey. it will also stop the pipeline from Georgia-azerbaijan to counter Russia and Saudi relations with Turkey are even worse.. since Saudi prime minister threatened with a revolution Erdogan if betray their jihadist rebels. So the worse nightmare of Americans in middle east will become true.

Turkey restoring relations with Russia ,IRAN and IRAQ and Syria,and breaking them with NATO will completely end their middle east hegemony and it could be the doom of saudi arabia in the zone. it will also mean the end of pipelines war against Russia and the end of NATO access to black sea. the end of NATO access to egyptian channel too in case of war,since egypt is allied with Russia. a good alliance between Turkey and Russia ,could be mutually beneficial ,because NATO iron curtain in eastern Europe will break in the south with Turkey and Russia can sell air defenses to Turkey to really protect it from any NATO attack.

too good to be true.  if such alliance happen ,even if is not a compatible one ,in terms of culture ,but it will effectively create a major blackhole for US plans of world domination. Erdogan knows ttoo much about United States and its support for terrorism. So it can blackmail americans too.
So my best guess is that Americans can be pressure to give up Gulen , in order to not completely break relations with Turkey. That will only however encourage Erdogan to blackmail  more.

So the only reason for Alqaeda and ISIS to continue to exist will be Israel plans of disbanding lebanon and Syria. but no longer NATO will have a gain if Syria is erased from the map ,because
the pipeline war against Russia will no longer continue, saudis neither will have a reason to continue helping ISIS if there will be no pipeline to gain. Only Israel will be the only one with something to win.

Vann7 wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:
He is big pain already since he PM said loud: yes Turkish Stream, NPPs are of paramount importance for Turkey...

Well Erdo is no angel neither stupid. He might realize thet remodelling of ME also means dissembling of Turkey. Not only Iran/Iraq/Syria. Besides Taxim Square was earlier color revolution trial. Failed. Now only 2 weeks of course of reconciliation with Russia Erdo has coup attempt? coincidence? rally?

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Alright.. you got a point there.. lol

and what is NPP ?

Nuclear power plant not that much but still 20bln USD of hi tech export.

Vann7 wrote:
Turkey breaking relations with Americans ,will be a major kick in the balls of Americans.
Because the whole war in Syria will lose one of its major purposes to happen ,that will be a
pipeline from Saudi Arabia to Europe through Syria-Turkey. and Saudi relations with Turkey
are even worse.. since Saudi prime minister threatened with a revolution Erdogan if betray their
jihadist rebels. So the worse nightmare of Americans in middle east will become true.

Turkey restoring relations with Russia ,IRAN and IRAQ and Syria,and breaking them with NATO will completely end their middle east hegemony and it could be the doom of saudi arabia in the zone. it will also mean the end of pipelines war against Russia and the end of NATO access to black sea. too good to be true. But if such alliance happen ,it will effectively create a major blackhole for US plans of world domination.
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I do not think Turkey is gonna neither break relations with US nor with NATO. But till Obama is  in th eoffice or Killary Clinton they  might be not best mildly speaking. Especially whan the Turkish Stream is built.This means strategic defeat  for US warmongers & eu doggies.  If Trump wins they might be better. Same between Russia - US.

Us due to possible economy collapse is running out of time. Turkey, Kazakhstan Armenia today...words of Shoigu that Turkish scenario can be repeated in mid Asia...this is all has one source. US debt which is impossible to pay back
so great war (unlikely) or most of world in flames and at war. outside continental US.

Saudis wanted revolution? hope they got one. In Riyadh

Had to as well break my self induced leave to post on here.

@Gunship
There was no coup attempt in Russia in 2012 (nor will there be while Putin is in Office since he has support from the military and majority of elites/oligarches), I have absolutely no idea where you are getting your information from.  There was large protests of about 40K people in Moscow (which is a small number compared to total people in Moscow) but that was nothing and easily controllable, while Brazil protests (hundreds of thousands, if not million) and this coup attempt (done by military) in Turkey are completely different fruit.  Cannot compare.

This affair is something else entirely.  This is either one of two things:

1) This was a false flag in an effort for Erdogan to be able to further purge any dissidints.  Let us not forget, prior to these events, various journalists have been jailed or ended up missing - Chechen and Ukrainian style.  While Erdogan did that though, there was a lot of backlash from the community regarding about his dictatorship like ways, which is something that Erdogan cannot ignore simply because he is a leader in a country that majority of people within the country praise as a democracy, even if it is only democracy by name.  This in turn, gives him full authority to crack down on any more dissidents calling them "coup supporters" or "workers of the coup", and then the media may be all in for him.  What would explain about the US supporting the coup comments, would be a method of trying to show the community that there was indeed a coup attempt from a player who is well known for creating coups in other countries (which could further strengthen Erdogans claim) and that the US played along with it to help strengthen Erdogans position in the country since he still bends over for NATO.

or

2) This was indeed an attempt, bad one at that, to try and oust Erdogan.  Support from US or not, this would indicate that there are indeed people who are very upset with Erdogan for whatever the reason may be (probably support for terrorists) and that these people wanted him out.  US support would just further indicate that Erdogan is a wild one and isn't necessarily easy to deal with and his current move to restoring ties with Russia after he realized he bit far more than he can chew, just added to the anger Washington has over Erdogan.

What makes me think it is #1 over 2 is that how quickly the coup plotters gave up.  3 hours or so? yeah, if these guys actually were determined, it would have lasted far longer, even with smaller amount of troops.  Of course, it could have gone through the heads of the coup plotters/actors that there was indeed very little support so they gave up before committing even more and digging themselves a deeper hole.  As well, with the news that various members of the coup plotters fled to Greece to seek asylum, also gives indication that this was indeed a US plot (as Greece wont do anything without US approval it seems) and that there really was a real coup attempt, but steam ran out when civilians protests and many other military groups got involved to fight against the coup members.

sepheronx wrote:1) This was a false flag in an effort for Erdogan to be able to further purge any dissidints.  Let us not forget, prior to these events, various journalists have been jailed or ended up missing - Chechen and Ukrainian style.  While Erdogan did that though, there was a lot of backlash from the community regarding about his dictatorship like ways, which is something that Erdogan cannot ignore simply because he is a leader in a country that majority of people within the country praise as a democracy, even if it is only democracy by name.  This in turn, gives him full authority to crack down on any more dissidents calling them "coup supporters" or "workers of the coup", and then the media may be all in for him.  What would explain about the US supporting the coup comments, would be a method of trying to show the community that there was indeed a coup attempt from a player who is well known for creating coups in other countries (which could further strengthen Erdogans claim) and that the US played along with it to help strengthen Erdogans position in the country since he still bends over for NATO.

I doubt that Erdie create the coup himself, but I do suspect that secular figures, journalists and Kurd may suffer some Great Purge after this incidents. Now Erdie has good reasons to use harsh methods against his political adversaries.

Anw, I am happy to see your and Papa Dragon's posts in this forum. It is sad if you two pernamently left RD.