Syrian Civil War: News #9

On that other forum, they're already saying it's Russia's fault, and that it was Russian aircraft. I'll give you a guess as to who it was that posted that..

Boshoed wrote:On that other forum, they're already saying it's Russia's fault, and that it was Russian aircraft. I'll give you a guess as to who it was that posted that..

Even the US is saying it probably wasn't Russia: https://twitter.com/samueloakford/status/777219411145031680

Holy shit. What a fuck up. So much for the US claim that they target accurately.

The United States Central Command released a statement admitting that they hit Syrian Army positions, but claim that they did not intent to target Syrian servicemen in violation of the ceasefire agreement, but were instead targeting Daesh terrorists.

US military officials acknowledge responsibility for the bombing attack against Syrian Army positions that paved the way for a major Daesh offensive against Assad government forces and that killed 80 Syrian service personnel, but claimed that the attack was an accident with the intended target being Daesh terrorists.

The attack was conducted by two F-16 fighter jets and two A10 ground attack aircraft that came into Syrian airspace through the Iraqi border without authorization from the Assad government. The Russian Ministry of Defense immediately blasted the United States for the lethal attack observing that Daesh engaged in a major offensive after American forces crippled the Assad regime's position. "If this airstrike was carried out due to an error in the coordinates of the targetm it is a direct consequence of US side's unwillingless to coordinate its actions against terrorist groups with Russia," the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman emphasized. The attack came amid a ceasefire in Syria agreed upon by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry one week earlier and that came into effect on September 12. The attack threatens to undermine the delicate ceasefire agreement with the Syrian government concerned that it will provide Daesh terrorists an opportunity to regroup and that the rebels will not hold to the arrangement. Nonetheless, the attack also highlights the importance of the ceasefire deal and the need for the United States and Russia to coordinate on intelligence.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160917/1045418270/coalition-airstrike-bombing-syrian-army.html

Boshoed wrote:On that other forum, they're already saying it's Russia's fault, and that it was Russian aircraft. I'll give you a guess as to who it was that posted that..

Corrected it over there.

May the Force be with you

Moscow going apeshit. My highlight could be the real problem area. SyAF attacking Coalition planes next?

Russia says that the situation in Syria is worsening finding that the rebels have intensified their attacks since the ceasefire came into force on September 12 and laying the blame at the feet of Washington for failing to crackdown on jihadists.

The Russian Foreign Ministry issued a scathing response to the Obama administration after a US Central Command statement suggested that the US-led coalition had warned Russia prior to the airstrikes against Syrian Army positions at Deir Ez-Zor that left some 80 Assad regime soldiers dead.

The statement by the Foreign ministry comes in the wake of accusations by Russia that the United States has not been dealing in good faith in the ceasefire agreement with Russian General Vladimir Savchenko saying that "the situation is worsening" with rebel forces escalating their attacks since the agreement went into force on September 12.

"Russia is exterting all possible effort to restrain Government troops from returning fire," Senior Army General Viktor Poznikhir said.

The harsh response by Russia comes not only after the United States attempted to flip the blame on Moscow for the attack that killed 80 forces according to the SANA news agency, but also after reports that Daesh terrorists engaged in a major offensive right after the American airstrike crippled the Assad regime's forces.

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/news/20160917/1045418962/russia-white-house-daesh-terrorists.html

Its a shame that the first apparent CAS support for the Syrian Army by the US has ended in this disaster. Wonder if the SyAA knew they were getting said support?

It does seem one hell of a coincidence that ISIS were poised to strike at exactly the right place at exactly the right time.

60 plus casualties many more wounded, 4 aircraft pull up and ruin the day. Freaking A! Russia must improve the SAA's anti-air defense capabilities. I'd say that would be the next important step in this conflict. Obviously Russia is not going to shoot down anything that isn't a threat to its military in the region.

My question is, how the F*** does the US not f***** know that the SAA has held those positions since July. I hope the Putinbots will increase the "US is IS's Air Force" jokes they deserve it. Reports are that SAA is heavily shelling IS's positions in the region. They should take out the IS JTAC before he can call in another strike

All true, and the fury at least in this little burg is palpable. Treachery, pure and simple treachery. US knew exactly where the SAA positions were since late June. This is another deliberate attack on SAA, one of scores in the four years of this mess. It is no coincidence that the takfiri were ready to attack the moment their air support took out the SAA unit.

If this shit keeps on going y'all better prepare for a real war 'cause it's coming just as sure as the sun shall rise in another five hours.

Maybe, idk, close the airspace. Y'know, it's legal for sovereign states to close their airspace to whomever they so choose. Start shooting those flying pigs.

Strikes in Syria on HPTs, especially drone strikes under OIR , are done using intelligence gathered by the CIA's CTC and a air force unit also based in Virginia. When the targeting data is finalized it is then authorized by JSOC. If the CIA was responsible for the target data, they maybe trying to sabotage the entire ceasefire.

A second narrative is that the DOD is trying to sabotage the efforts for coordinated operations and fusion of intelligence between USAF and the VKS that the state department agreed to when signing the ceasefire documents. This "rift" between the DOD and State department maybe all part of a good guy, bad guy show in the negotiating process.

Extremely weak response from Russia to the US intentionally murdering over 80 SAA soldiers. This sets an unpleasant precedent for the US striking SAA again.

Everyone with some brains understands this was not an accident. The US never provided air support to SAA, not even when they advanced in Palmyra. This was a deliberate war act by the US, and we can assume the UN is influenced too much by the US.

However, this attacks also shows how desperate the US has become and it is vital that Russia and the Syrian government do not pick the bait and continue to further take back Syrian land despite the slow pace. The US is simply trying to provoke a counter attack and or counter actions to further escalate the conflict and they just hope for the moment they can broadcast the first incident as an attack on the coalition. They simply have too much power over the media and the news broadcasts / newspapers overhere aren't exactly objective.

Only people that truly look for information really know what is going on and who are the aggressors..

Meanwhile the US position in the middle east is getting worse, they are losing more of their influence (I am Dutch, TIPP agreement has become an issue too). Russia and Syrian government should just 'accept' the loss, prevent any escalation, meanwhile keeping in mind they will come out as winners if they keep their cool. It just takes some time to get there.

famschopman wrote:
However, this attacks also shows how desperate the US has become and it is vital that Russia and the Syrian government do not pick the bait and continue to further take back Syrian land despite the slow pace.

But what if the USA strikes against the SAA again? And then again? And then one more time?

How many times should the USA be allowed to intentionally kill dozens of Syrian troops at the same time without military response?

Karl Haushofer wrote:

famschopman wrote:
However, this attacks also shows how desperate the US has become and it is vital that Russia and the Syrian government do not pick the bait and continue to further take back Syrian land despite the slow pace.

But what if the USA strikes against the SAA again? And then again? And then one more time?

How many times should the USA be allowed to intentionally kill dozens of Syrian troops at the same time without military response?

I dont have a good answer. Maybe weirdly we should accept it could happen again in favor of the bigger picture. The US has come forward with their 'mistake' and we can only hope more mistakes would result in strong condemnents from other countries.

Maybe a public statement from Syrian government; on day X we close the airspace to all outside forces, any unknown airplane will be shot down unless the Syrian government has allowed them to enter.

I do know that further escalation would result in much higher casualties on all sides and would move the focus away from the current results; which is that Allepo is a sealed pocket and basically under a silent siege and gains are made, slowly but surely. Nothing goes in or out and it will fall, chance is 100%.

Declaration of a NFZ over entire Syria would be better.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Declaration of a NFZ over entire Syria would be better.

With what? A small airbase, a few Flankers and a battery of Growlers aint gonna cut it.

KiloGolf wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Declaration of a NFZ over entire Syria would be better.

With what? A small airbase, a few Flankers and a battery of Growlers aint gonna cut it.

I have read from various sources that the Russia's installation of S-400 in Syria already cover the whole Syrian air space. Is that right?

Karl Haushofer wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Declaration of a NFZ over entire Syria would be better.

With what? A small airbase, a few Flankers and a battery of Growlers aint gonna cut it.

I have read from various sources that the Russia's installation of S-400 in Syria already cover the whole Syrian air space. Is that right?

It covers most of Syria's Airspace. Targets, ideally, could be destroyed at a maximum range of 250 miles out. Depending on the radar system used, targets could be detected at 600 km out.

storm333 wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Declaration of a NFZ over entire Syria would be better.

With what? A small airbase, a few Flankers and a battery of Growlers aint gonna cut it.

I have read from various sources that the Russia's installation of S-400 in Syria already cover the whole Syrian air space. Is that right?

It covers most of Syria's Airspace.

Maximum effective range and schematics for a few launchers stationed in Hmeinim mean very little. Those Growlers are barely insurance policy for the small airbase, and that's it. The system, as deployed, does not and cannot deny flights beyond 40 or 50 km radius, especially if the opposing forces starts jamming it (which I suspect already happens). Meaning most of Syria is open for NATO, Coalition and IDF/AF flights and air strikes. And we see the results on the news.

KiloGolf wrote:

storm333 wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

Karl Haushofer wrote:Declaration of a NFZ over entire Syria would be better.

With what? A small airbase, a few Flankers and a battery of Growlers aint gonna cut it.

I have read from various sources that the Russia's installation of S-400 in Syria already cover the whole Syrian air space. Is that right?

It covers most of Syria's Airspace.

Maximum effective range and schematics for a few launchers stationed in Hmeinim mean very little. Those Growlers are barely insurance policy for the small airbase, and that's it. The system, as deployed, does not and cannot deny flights beyond 40 or 50 km radius, especially if the opposing forces starts jamming it (which I suspect already happens). Meaning most of Syria is open for NATO, Coalition and IDF/AF flights and air strikes. And we see the results on the news.

If you are correct the picture is pretty bleak for Syria and Russia.

ISIS shoots down Syrian jet in Deir Ezzor

A Syrian MIG-21 fighter jet was shot down in the eastern Syrian city of Deir Ezzor while on mission against ISIS militants. Colonel pilot Ali Hamza was killed in the crash. ISIS claimed responsibility for downing the Syrian aircraft via its official account on social media, Aamaq Agency.

According to reports, the MIG-21 was shot down by 23 mm anti-aircraft gun while pounding ISIS positions at relatively low altitude. Yesterday, up to 80 Syrian soldiers were killed, dozens others injured in US airstrikes on Jabal al-Thurdeh, concurrently with a massive attack launched by the terror group on the same area.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-shoots-syrian-jet-deir-ez-zor/

SAA & co. keep getting wasted on the field.

This is testament to those idiots who say that Russian Airstrikes are innaccurate. In this war accuracy is as relative as your average woman's focus timespan.

Did they knew they were hitting the SAA? I'm pretty sure they knew it. Even IF this fuck up is probably the biggest push ISIS had in the area for years...US foreign policy the MIDAS touch for Islamism/

KoTeMoRe wrote:This is testament to those idiots who say that Russian Airstrikes are innaccurate. In this war accuracy is as relative as your average woman's focus timespan.

Did they knew they were hitting the SAA? I'm pretty sure they knew it. Even IF this fuck up is probably the biggest push ISIS had in the area for years...US foreign policy the MIDAS touch for Islamism/

It's a clear message to Russia and friends. The US side will simply not hesitate.
So I don't think it's a fuck up per se.