The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

Hence the expression, "Stop being such a Knut!"







Okay, I'll leave

JohninMK wrote:.......
He was a King back in the 900s, from his name, the Anglicised Knut, I assume he was of Viking extraction. Much like Poroshenko, he had a very strong belief in himself and his powers. Whereas Poro thinks that he can get the Chinese to do something to piss off a friend in a location they have no interest in, Canute decided that he could halt the tide. The story goes that he had his throne positioned on a beach where he ordered the sea to stop coming in. It didn't of course and he must have looked a bit of a fool.

But it did make him immortal, as most Brits know of him but don't have a clue about other Kings for 100s of years either side of him. Poro has as much chance with the Chinese but his efforts on this and other things are more likely to see him disappear from and not remain in history.

Interesting.

You might be on to something here. Perhaps Porky is trying to secure his place in history by being biggest moron of our era?

He is definitely giving his best I tell ya.

You might be on to something here. Perhaps Porky is trying to secure his place in history by being biggest moron of our era?

There is some pretty serious competition for that honour... Saakashvili for a start...

Yesterday I wanted to write about possible provocations from the VSU in case the Trump-Putin call would be positive but eventually decided against it. It seems that wasn't such a bad idea... There are multiple reports about huge battles at the industrial zone of Avdeevka. Ukrainian infantry movements are being reported as well. Footage will probably appear if it turns out to be true.

Neutrality wrote:Yesterday I wanted to write about possible provocations from the VSU in case the Trump-Putin call would be positive but eventually decided against it. It seems that wasn't such a bad idea... There are multiple reports about huge battles at the industrial zone of Avdeevka. Ukrainian infantry movements are being reported as well. Footage will probably appear if it turns out to be true.

Appears to have been a full BTG (battalion tactical group) probe involving about 800 UA. They are admitting casualties.

franco wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Yesterday I wanted to write about possible provocations from the VSU in case the Trump-Putin call would be positive but eventually decided against it. It seems that wasn't such a bad idea... There are multiple reports about huge battles at the industrial zone of Avdeevka. Ukrainian infantry movements are being reported as well. Footage will probably appear if it turns out to be true.

Appears to have been a full BTG (battalion tactical group) probe involving about 800 UA. They are admitting casualties.

No one company, 8 casualties. They say 3 KIA, I'm guessing double that.

Interesting report

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(MILITARY SITUATION REPORT/VIDEO FROM HIGH COMMAND DPR PEOPLE’S ARMY COL. BASURIN )

The situation in the Donetsk People’s Republic tends to deteriorate.

Over the past day, the Ukrainian terrorists increased the number of the bombardments on the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic to 1,270, having launched on the territory of the Republic 70 122 and 152mm artillery shells, 5 tank shells, 555 mortar shells, including 250 of 120mm caliber, and 551 shells from grenade launchers of different types. In addition, the enemy used in the shelling infantry fighting vehicles and small arms.

The Ukrainian terrorists, on the orders of the commanders of the 53rd, the 72nd, the 92nd and the 30th separate mechanized brigades of the AFU, Gruzevich, Sokolov, Nikolyuk and Garaz, the commander of the 55th artillery brigade, Brusov, and the commander of the 36th Marine brigade, Delyatitsky, shelled the following localities of the Republic: Zaytsevo, Vasilyevka, Shirokaya Balka, Mikhaylovka, Yakovlevka, Yasinovataya, Spartak, Krutaya Balka, Vesyoloye, Dokuchaevsk, Dzerzhinskoye, Leninskoye, Sakhanka, Yasnoye, Kominternovo, Oktyabr, Bezymennoye, the area of the airport and the locality of Trudovskiye in the Petrovsky district of Donetsk city.

As a result of the mortar shelling from the Nazi Ukraine Units (AFU)  positions, they have killed one of our soldiers of the People’s Army.

The Nazi Ukrainian command is taking steps to destabilize the situation along the contact line, delivering new units from Ukraine. In particular, we recorded the arrival, in the area of ​​the locality of Mikhaylovka, of a unit of the 80th separate air assault brigade which had not been seen previously in the area of ​​«ATO». I would like to note that it is assault prepared and nationalist units that the criminal military command of Nazi Ukraine amasses on the contact line, which gives grounds to assume the possible intensification of the AFU hostilities.

This is confirmed, in particular, by yesterday’s statement by the Nazi Defense Minister of Ukraine, Poltorak, about the presence in the «ATO» area of ​​40,000 military of volunteer battalions, some of whom have substantial contradictions with the Kiev Junta  authorities, and consistently demonstrate their independence and lack of submission.

In addition, there is noted the arrival of another group of foreign mercenaries in the area of ​​the so-called ATO. In particular, in the zone of ​​responsibility of the 25th separate airborne brigade, in the area of the locality of Galitsinovka, arrived the US citizens, allegedly instructors for the Nazi Ukraine Unit (AFU) military, but in fact, coordinators of acts of nationalist forces of Ukraine to conduct sabotage. In addition, in the same brigade, there is noted the presence of advisers from NATO member countries.

Despite statements by the Ukrainian Junta authorities on their readiness to assume responsibility for the security of critical infrastructure on the uncontrolled territories, and their attempts to justify military expansion into the areas of the «buffer zones», we revealed plans of Ukrainian nationalists to make large sabotage acts near the frontline.

In particular, our intelligence received credible information about the preparation by radicals of the «Right Sector», stationed near the locality of Avdeevka and backed up by foreign mercenaries, of conducting a serious provocation in the zone of ​​responsibility of the 72nd separate mechanized brigade in the near future, in order to accuse again the DPR People’s Army of the deaths of civilians and the AFU military personnel, and, consequently, of disrupting the Minsk agreements. In particular, the Ukrainian terrorists and their foreign curators are preparing, after the change of the wind direction towards the AFU-controlled territory, to shell with prohibited weapons the facilities of chlorine storage near the Donetsk Filter Plant and at the Verhnekalmiusky Filter Plant, in order to create an ecological catastrophe directed primarily against the AFU.

This brutal provocation aims to provoke further the conflict in the «ATO» area, due to the new US administration refusing to support the civil war in Ukraine, as well as to prevent the implementation of Kiev authorities’ measures on the «de-occupation of the uncontrolled territories», which is written in the Cabinet resolution and regarded by Ukrainian nationalists as a betrayal of «Euromaidan» ideals and the loss of sovereignty of the «Independent».

In this regard, we urge the international organizations operating in the conflict zone, to pay attention to the actions of the radical nationalist organizations of Ukraine and foreign private military companies near objects of critical infrastructure.

Thus, the above mentioned facts suggest the possibility of an aggravation of the hostilities on the part of the AFU, as a result of actions of the nationalists uncontrolled by the Ukrainian Junta authorities.

Nevertheless, we are ready for any variant of the development of the situation. We will ruthlessly suppress any tricks from the Ukrainian Junta side by active and decisive actions.

In this connection, I would like to urge the Ukrainian Junta nationalist battalion commanders to think again and not to commit insane acts, which will bring suffering to civilians and the AFU military personnel.
Vice-Commander of the DPR Defense Ministry operative command Donetsk,Colonel Eduard Basurin



Source: http://novorossia.today/u-s-citizen-along-nato-advisers-spotted-galitsinovka-training-nazi-ukraine-junta-soldiers-kill-citizens-republics-military-report-col-basurin/

KoTeMoRe wrote:

franco wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Yesterday I wanted to write about possible provocations from the VSU in case the Trump-Putin call would be positive but eventually decided against it. It seems that wasn't such a bad idea... There are multiple reports about huge battles at the industrial zone of Avdeevka. Ukrainian infantry movements are being reported as well. Footage will probably appear if it turns out to be true.

Appears to have been a full BTG (battalion tactical group) probe involving about 800 UA. They are admitting casualties.

No one company, 8 casualties. They say 3 KIA, I'm guessing double that.

they were repelled. Casualties I'm reading is 20 with 30 wounded. Dunno how accurate. But if true, those ukies better keep dreaming about ever actually taking Donbass.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

franco wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Yesterday I wanted to write about possible provocations from the VSU in case the Trump-Putin call would be positive but eventually decided against it. It seems that wasn't such a bad idea... There are multiple reports about huge battles at the industrial zone of Avdeevka. Ukrainian infantry movements are being reported as well. Footage will probably appear if it turns out to be true.

Appears to have been a full BTG (battalion tactical group) probe involving about 800 UA. They are admitting casualties.

No one company, 8 casualties. They say 3 KIA, I'm guessing double that.

Yeah, have seen various other estimates since including only a platoon. The NAF say 9 UA's KIA.

Got to stop quoting that twitter source, he puts out a lot of info but too much of a fanboy to trust the accuracy.

franco wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

franco wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Yesterday I wanted to write about possible provocations from the VSU in case the Trump-Putin call would be positive but eventually decided against it. It seems that wasn't such a bad idea... There are multiple reports about huge battles at the industrial zone of Avdeevka. Ukrainian infantry movements are being reported as well. Footage will probably appear if it turns out to be true.

Appears to have been a full BTG (battalion tactical group) probe involving about 800 UA. They are admitting casualties.

No one company, 8 casualties. They say 3 KIA, I'm guessing double that.

Yeah, have seen various other estimates since including only a platoon. The NAF say 9 UA's KIA.

Got to stop quoting that twitter source, he puts out a lot of info but too much of a fanboy to trust the accuracy.

This doesn't mean that the Battalion wasn't involved, but as usual UA doesn't mobilize more than a company worth of men in these BS pushes. It's simply to dangerous to get more people involved, as it will trigger more serious response.

Now, don't give me to much credit either.

Things are much more serious that you make it to be. It is not an offensive, but at the very least a strong local attack on Donetsk sector.

And as usual there's fighting along the whole front , from Novoazovsk in the south to Bakhmutka road in Lugansk

From the Spanish forum

Harman;18648368 wrote:pete john ‏@petejohn10 42 minHace 42 minutos

Reports from local residents.

Operational. Reports
#dnr #lnr #donetsk #luhansk #donbas #novorossiya




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voenkora Alexander Matyushina 11 Naf wounded in Avdiivka also loss "Vostok" battalion commander Ivan Balakay with the call sign "Greek."




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UKIE LOSSES 35 KIA 70+ WIA

Lost in ukronatsistov: 35 200-e more than 70 people considered to be 300-mi. The front line has not changed.



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pete john ‏@petejohn10 10 minhace 10 minutos

North of Donetsk under steel storms
Massive bombing of northern Donetsk
And armored assault on Yasinovataya
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Yasinovataya, strategic crossroads and northern defense lock of Donetsk.




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the industrial zone located between Avdeevka (top photo) and Yasinovataya (bottom). In blue Ukie front line, in red, Naf front line
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Ukrainian military seize strategically important outpost in Avdiivka industrial zone area in counterattack - defense minister

KYIV/DONETSK. Jan 29 (Interfax) - The operational situation in the special operation area in Donbas remains complicated, at the same time the Ukrainian troops managed to seize a strategically significant outpost during the battle in the Avdiivka industrial zone area, Ukrainian Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak said during the talks with injured servicemen at the Lviv military hospital.

"Today there is a serious aggravation in the Avdiivka area: in the morning the terrorist groups started the shelling, then, two groups of the hostiles comprising 25-30 people each launched assault actions on our positions. On one of the positions this attack was stopped by the Armed Forces servicemen, on the second one our servicemen went into the offensive and seized an important outpost, which has strategic significance. Our servicemen unfortunately sustained some losses. The situation the ATO area is thorny, but controllable," the ministry press service quoted Poltorak as saying.

The artillery preparation fire and assault actions by the hostiles near the Avdiivka industrial zone (Donetsk region) killed three Ukrainian servicemen and injured a serviceman, Ukrainian Defense Ministry spokesman Oleksandr Motuzianyk said earlier on Sunday.

In turn, the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic Defense Ministry said that the battle in this area killed a commander of the DPR battalion; the Ukrainian side has lost 15 dead and over 20 injured.

franco wrote:Ukrainian military seize strategically important outpost in Avdiivka industrial zone area in counterattack - defense minister

KYIV/DONETSK. Jan 29 (Interfax) - The operational situation in the special operation area in Donbas remains complicated, at the same time the Ukrainian troops managed to seize a strategically significant outpost during the battle in the Avdiivka industrial zone area, Ukrainian Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak said during the talks with injured servicemen at the Lviv military hospital.

"Today there is a serious aggravation in the Avdiivka area: in the morning the terrorist groups started the shelling, then, two groups of the hostiles comprising 25-30 people each launched assault actions on our positions. On one of the positions this attack was stopped by the Armed Forces servicemen, on the second one our servicemen went into the offensive and seized an important outpost, which has strategic significance. Our servicemen unfortunately sustained some losses. The situation the ATO area is thorny, but controllable," the ministry press service quoted Poltorak as saying.

The artillery preparation fire and assault actions by the hostiles near the Avdiivka industrial zone (Donetsk region) killed three Ukrainian servicemen and injured a serviceman, Ukrainian Defense Ministry spokesman Oleksandr Motuzianyk said earlier on Sunday.

In turn, the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic Defense Ministry said that the battle in this area killed a commander of the DPR battalion; the Ukrainian side has lost 15 dead and over 20 injured.

wtf they cant just let the Ukrops continue to seize territory little by little they will continue to chip novorossia until there is nothing left! I really wish the rebels have a counter attack plan in place??

Can this be verified?

http://novorossia.today/the-american-saved-the-girl-from-the-ukrainian-bandits-and-moved-to-the-side-of-the-militias/

No verification yet.

This is worth posting in full. Many of us now here but back then at MP.net (RIP) forecast at the start that this is how it would end up. Ukraine sold into perpetual penury for 10 cents on the $. No doubt the Russians, in one guise or another, will be in there buying. Why invade when you know the idiots have taken over the madhouse so it is almost inevitable that there is going to be a fire sale one day.

Now Trump is in power Poro will have to do what he has been saying he has been doing for years, implement the Minsk deal but it is going to have to be regardless of the consequences. Russia's gamble on the long game with looks as if it could pay off.

Oleksandr Klymenko, the former head of Ukraine's now-defunct Ministry of Revenues and Duties, believes that there are three disturbing possible scenarios for Ukraine's economy in 2017. These, he says, include bankruptcy, a sell-off of the country's remaining hard assets, or the total liquidation of the country's fiscal reserves.

In a post on his Facebook page, Klymenko, a former official and economist who has kept his finger on the pulse of Ukraine's economy since being exiled by the 2014 Maidan coup d'état, warned that there is a 43% chance of Ukraine declaring bankruptcy in 2017. Klymenko laid out three possible scenarios for his country.

The first is "Ukraine's selloff," which involves agreeing with the International Monetary Fund's demands that Kiev raise the retirement age and opens up the market for the sale of land. This would result in the IMF granting Kiev another loan tranche, thus allowing a default to be avoided.

The second scenario is simply called "bankruptcy," and would see Ukraine not just defaulting on its foreign loans and declaring a technical default, but total bankruptcy. Klymenko estimates that there is a 43% chance of this happening.  "This will occur if the government pushes through not five anti-national laws, but just two. In this case, the IMF will either delay further lending, reduce its volume, or simply withhold the funds altogether," he wrote.

Klymenko dubbed the third scenario "Operation Approval Ratings." Here, in the interest of preserving their approval ratings, Ukrainian authorities would sell off the country's gold and currency reserves, estimated to amount to about $15.5 billion. This, the economist stressed, would also lead to bankruptcy, simply putting it off until some point in the future.

Ukraine, the economic expert noted, faces several serious political and socio-economic problems, all of which are combining to threaten the country with economic collapse. These problems, Klymenko noted, include lack of trust in the national currency and the national banking system, as well as "political instability, the war [in the country's east], the desire of currency speculators to make money on fluctuations in the exchange rate, the National Bank's disregard for its constitutional obligation to ensure the national currency's stability, and many others."

In mid-January, a leaked IMF memo published in Ukraine's Ekonomichna Pravda newspaper revealed the organization's requirements for the provision of the next $1 billion loan tranche. In addition to lifting the moratorium on the sale of land, the financial institution demands raising the pension age and changing contribution requirements, as well as a reduction in the number of civil servants, and the creation of special anti-corruption courts. Ukrainian authorities have insisted that everything has already been agreed upon, and that the next loan package will arrive early next month. However, the IMF's executive board calendar has no information about Ukraine being on the agenda for its meetings for early February. Since 2015, Kiev has received just three tranches from the $17.5 billion credit line approved by the IMF.

Last week, the State Treasury reported that Ukraine's budget deficit has grown by 60% in 2016 compared with 2015, and now sits at $2.57 billion US. Experts have also calculated that the country's pension fund is expected to run a deficit of nearly $5 billion in 2017. This year, Kiev will need to pay international creditors $4.5 billion in interest on its loans. In addition, if a London court rules in favor of Russia, Kiev will have to repay Moscow $3 billion for a dispute stretching back to 2014.

Pensioners and low-income families have been particularly hard hit by the IMF-mandated austerity measures introduced last year. According to the agency's figures, the average Ukrainian pensioner gets the equivalent of about $74 US a month. However, over the last year, the average cost of utilities for a one-room apartment grew to $40 in the summer and $110 in the winter, making it difficult for many people to pay their utilities bills, let alone for other basic necessities.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201701301050154631-ukraine-three-scenarios-2017/

Totally nothing to do with the new regime in Washington

The Dutch state prosecutor intends to forward Russia another request for radar data from the MH17 plane crash site area, Wim de Bruin, the spokesman for the prosecutor's office, told Sputnik Monday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — On Sunday, media reported that Dutch investigators failed to decode information provided by the Russian side in October.

"The radar data was provided in an unusual format. Therefore the Dutch prosecutor will send a supplementary request for legal assistance to the Russian Federation," the spokesman said.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201701301050151707-mh17-investigation-jit-russia-radar/

Ukrainians are screaming to everyone that the rebels are attacking them at Avdiivka  and Porky flying home from Germany to lead the defense

So does this signal the start of round #3 or the UAF are suffering tremendous losses

5 people perished, 7 people wounded as a result of UAF attacks

Amount of casualties as a result of shelling by Ukraine grew up to two people among civilians in the DPR. It has been reported recently by the DPR Deputy Command-In-Chief Eduard Basurin.

‘Altogether as a result of shelling by Kiev hostile side, two civilians perished and three got wounded, Basurin specified.

Moreover, in regard to Basurin, three military men killed and four wounded.

The situation at the frontline worsened yesterday significantly. Ukrainian hostilities tried to break through the DPR positions at 5am on January 29, then DPR Army rebuffed their attempt and they started using heavy artillery and other different types of armament at populated territories of the DPR as Donetsk, Makeevka, southern villages.

Source: http://novorossia.today/5-people-perished-7-people-wounded-as-a-result-of-uaf-attacks5-people-perished-7-people-wounded-as-a-result-of-uaf-attacks/

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This is sad . On the other hand, the Kiev junta would deny any casualty reports from their side.

Looks like Poro might be flying home due to insurrection risk at home or the front spiralling out of control. That is really bad timing for him but some might have regarded the arrival of Trump as an opportunity. This is today's Doni update, which apart from from recording a sudden and dramatic increase to 270 152mm and 310 120mm artillery rounds, had this to say. My highlight, accurate counter battery fire?

The Ukrainian command, without mincing words, declares "offensive" actions of the AFU, actually admitting the violation of the Minsk agreements. According to our data, the aggravation on the line of contact happens because of uncontrollable actions of the radical nationalists from among the ranks of the "Right Sector" who force the Ukrainian command to adjust the results of their provocations and sustain losses because of the madness of their inadequate actions. By aggravating the situation on the line of contact of troops, the Ukrainian nationalists with the assistance of foreign private military companies involve the AFU in a new spiral of tension. At that, they force the military-political leadership of Ukraine to be responsible for Minsk agreements' failure.

The maximum level of aggravation of the situation happens near the Avdeyevka industrial zone. Over the last day the enemy has made a new attempt to capture our positions. But the attack was repelled, and the enemy suffered essential losses. Also, according to our data, as a result of a detonation of artillery ammunition all servicemen from among two artillery squads of 152-mm howitzers "Giatsynt-B" who had fired at civilians of Makeyevka, have perished. In total over the past day the Ukrainian security officers have sustained losses - more than 25 killed and more than 40 wounded. At that because of the lack of coordination of the AFU commanders who were surprised by the Right Sector's provocations leading to mutual mortar attacks of the units of the Ukrainian army. As a result the enemy has also sustained numerous casualties.

Besides, the fighters of the Right Sector serve as barrier squads preventing the retreat of the AFU units after the unsuccessful attack. More than five Ukrainian servicemen were killed by the Ukrainian Nazis, and nearly 10 were wounded. All this speaks about a destructive role of Nazis in this conflict who try to provoke combat operations in Donbass and let the AFU Command down.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has tasked his aides with calling for the extraordinary session of the Trilateral Contact Group on Ukraine to discuss the situation near the town of Avdeevka, presidential administration deputy head Kostiantyn Yeliseyev said Monday.

KIEV (Sputnik) — Earlier in the day, water supply and power were reported to be cut in Avdeevka, located in Donetsk region.

"The president has just now ordered to call for the urgent session of the trilateral contact group in any format, including videoconferencing, to discuss the situation around [the town of] Avdeevka that is becoming critical," Yeliseyev said to the Ukrainian TV broadcaster Channel 5.

The trilateral Contact Group on Ukraine is a group of representatives from Ukraine, Russia, and the OSCE that has been formed as a means to facilitate a diplomatic resolution to the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine. Its next meeting was scheduled for February 1.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201701311050176221-poroshenko-urgent-meeting-contact-group/

Ukrainian nationalists apparently blow up the rails leading into Donbas to prevent trade. However the trade is more important to Ukraine (coal for electricity) then the Donbas.

franco wrote:Ukrainian nationalists apparently blow up the rails leading into Donbas to prevent trade. However the trade is more important to Ukraine (coal for electricity) then the Donbas.

Saw that. They will have pissed off an awful lot of people by doing that. Especially those profiting from the coal sales.

JohninMK wrote:Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has tasked his aides with calling for the extraordinary session of the Trilateral Contact Group on Ukraine to discuss the situation near the town of Avdeevka, presidential administration deputy head Kostiantyn Yeliseyev said Monday.

KIEV (Sputnik) — Earlier in the day, water supply and power were reported to be cut in Avdeevka, located in Donetsk region.

"The president has just now ordered to call for the urgent session of the trilateral contact group in any format, including videoconferencing, to discuss the situation around [the town of] Avdeevka that is becoming critical," Yeliseyev said to the Ukrainian TV broadcaster Channel 5.

The trilateral Contact Group on Ukraine is a group of representatives from Ukraine, Russia, and the OSCE that has been formed as a means to facilitate a diplomatic resolution to the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine. Its next meeting was scheduled for February 1.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201701311050176221-poroshenko-urgent-meeting-contact-group/

Any other information?

Patrick Lancaster was ill, but is back reporting. There's another video on his twitter, but it's nsfw.

Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 4h4 hours ago

#Ukraine War:Center Donetsk hearing shelling in distance through the night but just heard what seemed to be a salvo of incoming Grad Rockets

Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 9h9 hours ago

Today #Ukraine (aka @poroshenko) luanched another huge attack on #Donetsk. What will @realDonaldTrump or @PutinRF do?

Published on Jan 30, 2017

On the second day of the Ukraine forces biggest attack this year on the Donetsk area at least 2 civilians have been killed with more injured. A hospital & homes were hit. A school full of children took some shrapnel damage and the school was evacuated..