Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

MOSCOW, January 24 (RIA Novosti) – The refit of one of Russia’s four heavy nuclear-powered missile cruisers has begun after years of delays, the country’s largest shipbuilder said Friday.
The work on the Admiral Nakhimov will revamp its firepower and set the stage for the revitalization of the Russian Navy’s capital ships, which have not been modernized in the post-Soviet era.
The vessel, formerly named the Kalinin, is one of four Kirov-class missile cruisers, the largest surface combat ships in operation with any navy. Only one of the ships, the Pyotr Veliky, is operational, but Russia plans to return the other three to service starting with the Admiral Nakhimov in 2018.
Russia also has a single aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, currently deployed in the Mediterranean.

Sevmash shipyard said in a statement that the schedule for work on the cruiser this year has already been drawn up.

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Admiral Kuznetsov. INFOgraphics.
Heavy equipment is now being removed in order to lighten the ship so it can be moved from its berth into the dockyard with the aid of specially constructed pontoons, Sevmash said.
The shipyard earlier said that the cruiser would be equipped with P-800 Oniks (SS-N-26) supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles, air defense missiles based on the S-400 Triumf (SA-21 Growler) and close-in weapons systems, which are designed to shoot down missiles and aircraft approaching the ship.

They still say they plan to modernize the other 3...

It's RIA Novosti. They aren't military experts. Same guys said that the Kh-101 has a 10,000km range.

My dream would have been to have all 4 Kirovs, all 4 Slavas and the Typhoon subs modernised and returned to service.

But now the Typhoons are being cut-up for scrap and it looks like some of the Kirovs and Slavas are going to head the same way.
The dream is dead..

Only 1 Slava is being scrapped, and that is the never finished Ukraina.
The others all have secure futures.

There are no further Typhoons being scrapped yet (earlier several were of course)...Donskoy is a test ship, and Arkhangelsk and Severstal and chilling near Sevmash while they decide what to do with them.

Nakhmiov today, work has started.

Will have been nice a new class ,brand new very Stealthy super Cruiser done from scratch for the pacific fleet . With S-500s ,S-400s ,and Pantirs ,the usual Kalibrs ,4-5-helicopters that could be stored inside , AESA radars but also capability to launch Iskanders-M with up to 2500 km range from the ship ,and screw any arms treaty as China does,
effectively turning the ship into an all around defense-offense super cruiser ,just for show of power.  

Well, it would be nice if Putin could shit money too, but unfortunately, it's not the case.

That's why we need someone ruling Russia that has the interest of the working class and people in general instead of the oil sucking capitalists and ruling class, namely the anticapitalists like KPRF, Left party Alternatives, etc. They're made of true patriots who will improve their nation no matter what hardships they endure.

TR1 wrote:Well, it would be nice if Putin could shit money too, but unfortunately, it's not the case.

He would rather constipate it, or shit it out for some new mansion or superexpensive holiday trips. The the Russian working class on the contrary will do everything they can to improve the countrie's condition.

We already had a party of "the working class".

No thanks, not again.

Capitalism ain't the enemy here, its the thieves and law breakers through all levels of government.

TR1 wrote:We already had a party of "the working class".

No thanks, not again.

Capitalism ain't the enemy here, its the thieves and law breakers through all levels of government.

Capitalism isn't a friend either.

The unification of components in these upgraded cruisers will likely make them much more efficient and cheap to operate, but their effect will be rather striking and of rather more value than a few extra destroyers.

With improved automation their crews will not be huge and their performance greatly enhanced.

You can't replace big ships in the navy with smaller ships... it doesn't work that way.

The Russian Navy is going to be rather smaller than the Soviet Navy and needs effective warships... the Kirovs were excellent vessels even if they did have fairly complicated drive trains.

KomissarBojanchev wrote:

TR1 wrote:Well, it would be nice if Putin could shit money too, but unfortunately, it's not the case.

He would rather constipate it,  or shit it out for some new mansion or superexpensive holiday trips. The the Russian working class on the contrary will do everything they can to improve  the countrie's condition.

The Russian working class gives more about what it can eat and fuck in a given day that any national glory.

Sorry man, teh working class rising up in a glorious revolution is something not in tune with reality of....just people.

Sorry man, teh working class rising up in a glorious revolution is something not in tune with reality of....just people.

And the same thieves and liars that are communist governments are thieves and liars in a democratic government... the people just get the opportunity to change them over a regular period... which actually means in practise twice as many because you have the government and the main opposition... so twice as many leeches and thieves.

They call it democracy and freedom... real democracy is everyone having a voice... no matter how small their wallet is. Real freedom only comes from serious wealth.

This is allegedly the proekt 11444 which is the modified proekt 11442 (Admiral Nakhimov).

Image attached with errors.

Why the hell did they put a measly A-190 there, wasn't it supposed to be upgraded with 2 152mm cannons?

Can we get a translation of each please? What is the providence of this image anyway?

Vympel wrote:Can we get a translation of each please? What is the providence of this image anyway?

It's from "http://bastion-karpenko.ru/", probably done by an amateur enthusiast.

I included it really to just kick off the thread. Hopefully it's not a repost.

Actually I think that the "modifications" depicted are mostly retrograde, irrelevant, and fictional.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Vympel wrote:Can we get a translation of each please? What is the providence of this image anyway?

It's from "http://bastion-karpenko.ru/", probably done by an amateur enthusiast.

I included it really to just kick off the thread. Hopefully it's not a repost.

Actually I think that the "modifications" depicted are mostly retrograde, irrelevant, and fictional.

Well, official media have said that the modernization will include a naval variant of S-400, and Oniks. So UKSK launchers are a no-brainer, at least.

Vympel wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Vympel wrote:Can we get a translation of each please? What is the providence of this image anyway?

It's from "http://bastion-karpenko.ru/", probably done by an amateur enthusiast.

I included it really to just kick off the thread. Hopefully it's not a repost.

Actually I think that the "modifications" depicted are mostly retrograde, irrelevant, and fictional.

Well, official media have said that the modernization will include a naval variant of S-400, and Oniks. So UKSK launchers are a no-brainer, at least.

Can you point me to the official media?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Vympel wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Vympel wrote:Can we get a translation of each please? What is the providence of this image anyway?

It's from "http://bastion-karpenko.ru/", probably done by an amateur enthusiast.

I included it really to just kick off the thread. Hopefully it's not a repost.

Actually I think that the "modifications" depicted are mostly retrograde, irrelevant, and fictional.

Well, official media have said that the modernization will include a naval variant of S-400, and Oniks. So UKSK launchers are a no-brainer, at least.

Can you point me to the official media?

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20111203/169272925.html

UKSK is no question, they are the fleet standard.

SAMs are a different story. Will they got for a mix of 9M96 and larger rounds?
Will they use the VLS from the smaller ships? I think they will need a new one for 48N6 sized rounds.

SAMs are a different story. Will they got for a mix of 9M96 and larger rounds?
Will they use the VLS from the smaller ships? I think they will need a new one for 48N6 sized rounds.

The UKSK is for anti ship and land attack missiles, do you think they will make a S-400 SAM launcher that can't carry large S-400 missiles?

It is pretty clear that the Air Force is getting separate land based S-350 launchers for the smaller 9M96 missiles in individual tubes but I have seen no evidence that the Navy is doing so too.

the 32 tube launch system for Redut seems to be 32 full sized tubes for full sized missiles... considering the 9M96 can be fitted into the tubes there is no reason to have smaller systems unable to carry the heavier missiles even on smaller boats.

they are called standard launchers for a reason.

I am talking about the VLS cells we have seen on the smaller ships- 20380 and 22350. I have not seen any proof that they can be fitted with the full sized 48N6 rounds.

This drawing would allow for one 40N6 size missile, 4 9M96D size missiles, or 16 9M100 size missiles per launcher tube.

Each of the tubes in the proekt 20385 and many other ship types have the diameter for the 40N6, but the depth of the launcher subtype would determine the missile type. There are many proofs for that.

AK-630s? Those things have been around since the dawn of time, if they wanted to economize they would use Duets at least.

And what the hell is a СУАО Пума-02? (self-targeting artillery installation Puma-02???)
Whatever it is - doesn't much look like what it's labelled as.
Near the stern it looks more like some sort of fire-control radar or a sensor installation of some sort, while near the bow it's clearly depicted as an AK-630

Just a big mess this whole diagram is.
But it does offer some ideas at least.