Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

Plus rumors say they overestimated hull integrity status, so they will probably need to repair and reinforce it more than originally planned.

Big_Gazza wrote:

George1 wrote:
So you believe the Navy made the right decision to upgrade the RNS Admiral Nakhimov battlecruiser?

Of course! Project 1144 ships are, first and foremost, an excellent hull made of AK-25 grade steel, and a nuclear propulsion unit. The hull is made of two layers of steel, the outer layer being stainless steel. That hull will last forever. It can be used for 40, 50, or even 60 years. It has unique biological and structural protection systems. It is designed very intelligently, using great technological solutions. A combination of a great hull and a nuclear propulsion unit is a platform that can be put to almost any use. Let us also recall the great structural defenses that ship has. It’s a special design that prevents missiles from penetrating the ship’s ammunition dumps by means of a series of barriers. Yes, the ship’s various systems and pipelines, as well as its armaments, need to be replaced, but the main thing, the platform itself, it fit for purpose. I believe that all four ships of that class must be refurbished and brought back into service.
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Interesting comment.  I've often wondered whether the Ural SV-33 (Proj 1941) is really going to be scrapped... since photos seem to suggest that they are stripping the ship of its superstructure and heavy deck equipment, but they are leaving the hull and below decks intact.  Google earth images of Bolshoi Kaman in March 2016 show a complete hull stripped down to the deck, yet current images show no trace of the ship.  Its impossible that a nuclear powered hull would be stripped to to the hull plates and vanish within 12 months, so where is she?  Has she been towed elsewhere for preservation awaiting the option of a future rebuild?

Big_Gazza wrote:

George1 wrote:
So you believe the Navy made the right decision to upgrade the RNS Admiral Nakhimov battlecruiser?

Of course! Project 1144 ships are, first and foremost, an excellent hull made of AK-25 grade steel, and a nuclear propulsion unit. The hull is made of two layers of steel, the outer layer being stainless steel. That hull will last forever. It can be used for 40, 50, or even 60 years. It has unique biological and structural protection systems. It is designed very intelligently, using great technological solutions. A combination of a great hull and a nuclear propulsion unit is a platform that can be put to almost any use. Let us also recall the great structural defenses that ship has. It’s a special design that prevents missiles from penetrating the ship’s ammunition dumps by means of a series of barriers. Yes, the ship’s various systems and pipelines, as well as its armaments, need to be replaced, but the main thing, the platform itself, it fit for purpose. I believe that all four ships of that class must be refurbished and brought back into service.
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Interesting comment.  I've often wondered whether the Ural SV-33 (Proj 1941) is really going to be scrapped... since photos seem to suggest that they are stripping the ship of its superstructure and heavy deck equipment, but they are leaving the hull and below decks intact.  Google earth images of Bolshoi Kaman in March 2016 show a complete hull stripped down to the deck, yet current images show no trace of the ship.  Its impossible that a nuclear powered hull would be stripped to to the hull plates and vanish within 12 months, so where is she?  Has she been towed elsewhere for preservation awaiting the option of a future rebuild?

Big_Gazza wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

George1 wrote:
So you believe the Navy made the right decision to upgrade the RNS Admiral Nakhimov battlecruiser?

Of course! Project 1144 ships are, first and foremost, an excellent hull made of AK-25 grade steel, and a nuclear propulsion unit. The hull is made of two layers of steel, the outer layer being stainless steel. That hull will last forever. It can be used for 40, 50, or even 60 years. It has unique biological and structural protection systems. It is designed very intelligently, using great technological solutions. A combination of a great hull and a nuclear propulsion unit is a platform that can be put to almost any use. Let us also recall the great structural defenses that ship has. It’s a special design that prevents missiles from penetrating the ship’s ammunition dumps by means of a series of barriers. Yes, the ship’s various systems and pipelines, as well as its armaments, need to be replaced, but the main thing, the platform itself, it fit for purpose. I believe that all four ships of that class must be refurbished and brought back into service.
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Interesting comment.  I've often wondered whether the Ural SV-33 (Proj 1941) is really going to be scrapped... since photos seem to suggest that they are stripping the ship of its superstructure and heavy deck equipment, but they are leaving the hull and below decks intact.  Google earth images of Bolshoi Kaman in March 2016 show a complete hull stripped down to the deck, yet current images show no trace of the ship.  Its impossible that a nuclear powered hull would be stripped to to the hull plates and vanish within 12 months, so where is she?  Has she been towed elsewhere for preservation awaiting the option of a future rebuild?

The disposal work was to be finished by November at the latest it's quite possible they finished up a bit early really. They could have moved the hull to a reserve area sure if you know where the Russians keep those, which I do.

Yeah, the more I think about it, its likely that "disposal" doesn't mean complete scrapping (as this would require specialist facilities to handle dismantling of the nuclear reactor and irradiated machinery), but means strip-down and preservation of the hull and essentials.

Don't suppose you can share that knowledge on where such a "reserve area" may be located?  

Firebird wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

George1 wrote:
So you believe the Navy made the right decision to upgrade the RNS Admiral Nakhimov battlecruiser?

Of course! Project 1144 ships are, first and foremost, an excellent hull made of AK-25 grade steel, and a nuclear propulsion unit. The hull is made of two layers of steel, the outer layer being stainless steel. That hull will last forever. It can be used for 40, 50, or even 60 years. It has unique biological and structural protection systems. It is designed very intelligently, using great technological solutions. A combination of a great hull and a nuclear propulsion unit is a platform that can be put to almost any use. Let us also recall the great structural defenses that ship has. It’s a special design that prevents missiles from penetrating the ship’s ammunition dumps by means of a series of barriers. Yes, the ship’s various systems and pipelines, as well as its armaments, need to be replaced, but the main thing, the platform itself, it fit for purpose. I believe that all four ships of that class must be refurbished and brought back into service.
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Interesting comment.  I've often wondered whether the Ural SV-33 (Proj 1941) is really going to be scrapped... since photos seem to suggest that they are stripping the ship of its superstructure and heavy deck equipment, but they are leaving the hull and below decks intact.  Google earth images of Bolshoi Kaman in March 2016 show a complete hull stripped down to the deck, yet current images show no trace of the ship.  Its impossible that a nuclear powered hull would be stripped to to the hull plates and vanish within 12 months, so where is she?  Has she been towed elsewhere for preservation awaiting the option of a future rebuild?

The disposal work was to be finished by November at the latest it's quite possible they finished up a bit early really. They could have moved the hull to a reserve area sure if you know where the Russians keep those, which I do.

Seriously, the hull is being stored? I assumed it was all scrapped?

I know 1 or 2 of the Boreis or Yasens actually used hulls from earlier classes of sub.
What could it be used for? Or is it something like testing missiles on the hull?

I think it'd be great to keep the hull in reserve for a quick rebuild of something if ever the need arose. But I understand that hull building (esp Mistral style modular) is the quick part nowadays. And fitting out is the slow part.

The Ural is a massive hull 870 ft long. Thats bigger than light aircraft carriers.