Upgraded Kirov class: Project 11442 [Admiral Nakhimov]

SeigSoloyvov wrote:The ship is a floating Nuclear problem right now even if they would modernize which they have said isn't happening.

They would need to deal with the fact when the reactor cracked, it started to leak they never fixed or cleaned it up just parked it there and left it.

there are numerous reports of radiation emitting from this vessel in a dangerous manner, even the mayor of a nearby town said it's posing a problem to them.

That would take a very long time to clean up, and it would take years for the radiation to die down. The Hull is dead, why they haven't removed this hazard I don't know.

they wouldn't have cleaned and repainted her hull and superstructure if she was a useless hulk.    

verkhoturye51 wrote:

they wouldn't have cleaned and repainted her hull and superstructure if she was a useless hulk.    

It was painted before Putin's visit.

Now the rust is gone.

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Big_Gazza wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:The ship is a floating Nuclear problem right now even if they would modernize which they have said isn't happening.

They would need to deal with the fact when the reactor cracked, it started to leak they never fixed or cleaned it up just parked it there and left it.

there are numerous reports of radiation emitting from this vessel in a dangerous manner, even the mayor of a nearby town said it's posing a problem to them.

That would take a very long time to clean up, and it would take years for the radiation to die down. The Hull is dead, why they haven't removed this hazard I don't know.

You're talking about the Adm Ushakov (ex-Kirov), not the Lazarev.  She's most likely beyond repair now due to cost.

Numerous reports....   even the major said...   yeah well, we all know people talk shit and others echo the shit if it suits them.  Lazarev went into dry dock ~5 years ago (exact date?) and they wouldn't have cleaned and repainted her hull and superstructure if she was a useless hulk. Dunno what their long term plans are, but i wouldn't 100% rule out a future modernisation for the Lazarev after PtG is rebuilt.    

George1 wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:The ship is a floating Nuclear problem right now even if they would modernize which they have said isn't happening.

They would need to deal with the fact when the reactor cracked, it started to leak they never fixed or cleaned it up just parked it there and left it.

there are numerous reports of radiation emitting from this vessel in a dangerous manner, even the mayor of a nearby town said it's posing a problem to them.

That would take a very long time to clean up, and it would take years for the radiation to die down. The Hull is dead, why they haven't removed this hazard I don't know.

You're talking about the Adm Ushakov (ex-Kirov), not the Lazarev.  She's most likely beyond repair now due to cost.

Numerous reports....   even the major said...   yeah well, we all know people talk shit and others echo the shit if it suits them.  Lazarev went into dry dock ~5 years ago (exact date?) and they wouldn't have cleaned and repainted her hull and superstructure if she was a useless hulk. Dunno what their long term plans are, but i wouldn't 100% rule out a future modernisation for the Lazarev after PtG is rebuilt.    

Oh your right that is my derp, I was groggy when I wrote that.

That said no Lazarev would require even moe work that Naki, The MoD is alreayd unhappy with the time delays and amount of cost the refit is costing them.

The hull is also in bad shape, they went into lazarev years ago to see if she was suitable condition wise and long story short the ship isn't. The Russian's aren't going to refit this vessel, they have said so multiple times.

and its logic. They should put funds to Lider class destroyer/cruiser

What about the teeny tiny problem that the lider doesnt exist and will not exist for the next 2 decades or more if papadragon is to be believed?

Lazarev exists. Lider doesn't. By the time lider exists it will still take more time than upgrading lazarev.

GarryB wrote:When Trump gets reelected and decides to go for the record... 2021 as the first year the US military budget passes 1 trillion dollars, the Russians will realise they need a global presence or capacity to go anywhere... an Orlan class ship and the K is rather better than nothing.

When Trump gets reelected and decides to go for the record... 2021 as the first year the US military budget passes 1 trillion dollars, the Russians will realise they need a global presence or capacity to go anywhere... an Orlan class ship and the K is rather better than nothing.

If USA goes for 1t dollar budget Russia will be too busy fortifying the mainland

verkhoturye51 wrote: Totally, the requirements matter. They may be delaying the blue water ships construction to see what will Tico replacement look like.

The program was cancelled in the 2010 Quadrennial Defense Review.[3] The CG(X)'s mission will instead be performed by DDG-51 Flight III destroyers, after the U.S. Navy concluded that the ships could rely on off-board and space-based sensors and so did not need a radar bigger than the DDG could carry.[4][5]

PapaDragon wrote:

verkhoturye51 wrote:

they wouldn't have cleaned and repainted her hull and superstructure if she was a useless hulk.    

It was painted before Putin's visit.

Now the rust is gone.

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I doubt they would have bothered with painting this monster just for PR visit

And even if it was in mint condition fact remains that time required to overhaul just on work them is too long

PtG was supposed to be overhauled in same shipyard as Nakhimonov but behold thing has been dragging so long that they now have to send it elsewhere in parallel with Nakhimonov

Lazarov is a goner

JSC Armalit from St. Petersburg has completed the manufacture of steam collectors for the modernization of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov.

Gibraltar wrote:Any new from Severodvinsk? Has been scheduled a date for sea trials?

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Nostalgic/historic but worth to see

The nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov, undergoing repairs at Sevmash, will be launched into the water in 2021, and will be given to the fleet only at the turn of 2022–2023. This was announced on Thursday, June 27 at the Army-2019 forum by the President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov.

“We are obliged to free his current mooring place, dry dock in 2021, because otherwise his delay will affect the production program of Sevmash. We will prepare it for launching and finish building it already on the water."

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Nothing we didn't already know.

But looks like they are finally moving to scrap the non-usable Kirov's.

https://lenta.ru/news/2019/04/18/lom/