KiloGolf wrote: The issue is the huge waste of human resources for such a low-capability ship (> 250 sailors). A small FAC can have 8 Urans and an OPV can perform the rest of its duties. And that keeping busy less people and having two vessels in its place, for much longer time.
I highly doubt this vessel will be of any use to anyone past 2025. It's a waste of money to keep it afloat like that imo.
I think it is rather good for training new sailors. 250 at once! Firing guns, Uran and sea-helo training package included. By 2025 there will be enough vessels to replace it. My opinion they should remove it from active front line duty but keep it as training ship by 2025. BTW 48years in service, she deserves her Golden Jubilee in active service.
KiloGolf wrote: The issue is the huge waste of human resources for such a low-capability ship (> 250 sailors). A small FAC can have 8 Urans and an OPV can perform the rest of its duties. And that keeping busy less people and having two vessels in its place, for much longer time.
I highly doubt this vessel will be of any use to anyone past 2025. It's a waste of money to keep it afloat like that imo.
I think it is rather good for training new sailors. 250 at once! Firing guns, Uran and sea-helo training package included. By 2025 there will be enough vessels to replace it. My opinion they should remove it from active front line duty but keep it as training ship by 2025. BTW 48years in service, she deserves her Golden Jubilee in active service.
If it becomes a training ship, then sure it is useful. But it's definitely not fit for front line duty and even for anti-piracy missions, it just keeps a wasteful amount of sailors busy.
T-47 wrote:Officially its a destroyer from the beginning. So it is a destroyer, always.
I know, like those 1940s and 1950s destroyers. Not anymore. For 2017, since it's used by RuN as active duty ship, it's essentially a frigate with very old SAMs and sensors and moderately capable SSMs.
KiloGolf wrote: I know, like those 1940s and 1950s destroyers. Not anymore. For 2017, since it's used by RuN as active duty ship, it's essentially a frigate with very old SAMs and sensors and moderately capable SSMs.
I agree but its not built in 2017. So its still a destroyer. No one reclassified it yet. But for todays term its a large patrol boat not even frigate.
KiloGolf wrote: I know, like those 1940s and 1950s destroyers. Not anymore. For 2017, since it's used by RuN as active duty ship, it's essentially a frigate with very old SAMs and sensors and moderately capable SSMs.
I agree but its not built in 2017. So its still a destroyer. No one reclassified it yet. But for todays term its a large patrol boat not even frigate.
It has a basic SAM and SSM capability and it's within frigate tonnage, which is way over the ''patrol boat'' category.
''Large patrol boat'' is probably an old Russian term that nobody uses afaik. Unless it's code for ''look, we can't get them frigate built on-time so we keep this old 60s destroyer around, give it a fancy name".
It has a basic SAM and SSM capability and it's within frigate tonnage, which is way over the ''patrol boat'' category.
''Large patrol boat'' is probably an old Russian term that nobody uses afaik. Unless it's code for ''look, we can't get them frigate built on-time so we keep this old 60s destroyer around, give it a fancy name".
Infographics on the decision of the Navy of the task of protecting commercial maritime shipping
Since 2008, the ships of the Navy have carried out 32 campaigns to the Gulf of Aden and other pirate dangerous directions, accompanied by 152 caravans and 727 ships (of which 56 are vessels under the Russian flag). Also, ten attempts to capture were prevented, seven boats and 80 pirates were detained. In addition to the Gulf of Aden, Russian military vessels surveyed the Singapore and Malacca Straits, the South China Sea and the Caribbean.
referred to by https://amp.businessinsider.com/this-is-why-the-russian-navy-is-such-a-mess-2017-8
Looks like the western media has a grip on the realities of the Russian navy....not. Especially funny is the yapping about Chinese replacements for the Ukrainian gas turbine engines on August 31, 2017. Under what rock has this Bellingcat wannabe been living...
referred to by https://amp.businessinsider.com/this-is-why-the-russian-navy-is-such-a-mess-2017-8
Looks like the western media has a grip on the realities of the Russian navy....not. Especially funny is the yapping about Chinese replacements for the Ukrainian gas turbine engines on August 31, 2017. Under what rock has this Bellingcat wannabe been living...
Bhahaha.... that half wit again, first a forensics "expert", then recently a political "expert" (http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41036631) and now some military "expert", seriously, this guy can be whateve you want him to be, who knows maybe soon he'll be some cooking "expert".
Kalashnikov Group Showcased new BK-16 FAC and BK-10 RHIB at Army-2017
Russia`s Kalashnikov Group (a subsidiary of the Rostec state corporation) has developed new fast attack craft (FAC). They were demonstrated at the Army-2017 international military-technical forum held outside Moscow from August 22-27.
BK-16 FAC at Army-2017
The company showcased the BK-16 FAC intended for offshore operations, troops transporting, fire support, counter-piracy and counter-terror missions and search-and-rescue (SAR) operations. According to the official catalogue of the Kalashnikov Group, the FAC has a full displacement of 19.5 t, a length of 16.45 m, a width of 4.0 m, a draught of 0.87 m, a height over waterline of 4.33 m. It has a crew of two members and can transport up to 19 servicemen. The craft features a cruising range of 400 nautical miles and an endurance of one day. The BK-16 is powered by two engines with a power output of 780 hp each. The FAC demonstrated at the Army-2017 international military-technical forum received a remote control weapon station (RCWS) with a heavy machinegun (HMG) and several medium machineguns
Kalashnikov Group video
Kalashnikov also exhibited the BK-10 craft also intended for offshore operations, personnel transportation, troop landing on unprepared beaches, fire support, counter-piracy and counter-terror missions, medical evacuation and salvage services. According to the official catalogue of the Kalashnikov Group, the BK-10 FAC has a full displacement of 6.6 t, a length of 10.48 m, a width of 3.7 m, a draught of 0.6 m, a height over waterline of 2.8 m, a maximum speed of 40 knots and an economical speed of 22 knots. It has a crew of two members and can transport up to 10 servicemen. The craft features a cruising range of 400 nautical miles and an endurance of one day. The BK-10 is powered by two engines with a power output of 300 hp each.
The Kalashnikov Group has developed two more FAC not showcased at the Army-2017 international military-technical forum. The BK-18 multipurpose craft is intended for offshore operations, personnel transporting, troop landing on unprepared beaches, fire support, counter-piracy and counter-terror operations, salvage missions and medical evacuation. According to the official catalogue of the Kalashnikov Group, the BK-18 FAC has a full displacement of 25 t, a length of 18.6 m, a width of 4.55 m, a draught of 0.8 m, a height over waterline of 4.5 m, a maximum speed of 40 knots and an economical speed of 26 knots. It has a crew of three members and can transport up to 19 servicemen. The craft features a cruising range of 400 nautical miles and an endurance of two days. The BK-18 is powered by two engines with a power output of 1,300 hp each.
The BK-9 fast boat also developed by the Kalashnikov Group is designed to accomplish a wide range of missions in forward and base areas including transportation of up to 10 equipped servicemen to a ship being inspected and to the shore, fire supporting of special forces and naval infantry units and conducting of patrol, sabotage and counter-sabotage actions. The boat can be made in medical evacuation, diving and armoured perimeter configurations. According to the official catalogue of the Kalashnikov Group, the BK-9 fast boat has a full displacement of 7.4 t with armour protection and 6.5 t in non-armoured configuration, a length of 9.9 m, a width of 3.07 m, a draught of 0.65 m, a height of 3.2 m, a maximum speed of 40 knots and an economical speed of 22 knots. It has a crew of two members and can transport up to nine servicemen. The craft features a cruising range of 400 nautical miles. The BK-9 is powered by two waterjet engines with a power output of 370 hp each.
referred to by https://amp.businessinsider.com/this-is-why-the-russian-navy-is-such-a-mess-2017-8
Looks like the western media has a grip on the realities of the Russian navy....not. Especially funny is the yapping about Chinese replacements for the Ukrainian gas turbine engines on August 31, 2017. Under what rock has this Bellingcat wannabe been living...
Good. Let's hope they keep on doing it. If your enemy is making a mistake never correct him.
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