The bad news is that the missile hit high, on the sloped part of the turret which HEAT has trouble with, and may have hit the gunner's sight. So it's premature to say a T-90's armor can reliably defeat the TOW-2A.
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T-90 Main Battle Tank
Zivo- Posts : 1487
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The good thing is, the TOW didn't defeat the T-90.
The bad news is that the missile hit high, on the sloped part of the turret which HEAT has trouble with, and may have hit the gunner's sight. So it's premature to say a T-90's armor can reliably defeat the TOW-2A.
The bad news is that the missile hit high, on the sloped part of the turret which HEAT has trouble with, and may have hit the gunner's sight. So it's premature to say a T-90's armor can reliably defeat the TOW-2A.
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kvs wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:http://www.gazeta.ru/army/2016/02/29/8101481.shtml?utm_medium=exchange
It's official BGM-71E3 cannot penetrate the front turret of T90A-1992. It was nice knowing you guys.
So the clowns who thought that shipping the takfiris TOW systems would be like shipping "Stingers to the mujaheddin" were
uninformed idiots. If they have any functional brains in Washington, there must be a lot of sleepless nights for them these
days. All the their grand plans to take out Russia with a few NATO bases and the ABM "shield" are not going to pan out.
They really have no idea what Russia's capabilities are.
Actually TOW's are far more dangerous than Stingers and have been sent in huge numbers. There's the inventory of à médium sized European country that has been fired in Syria. With at least 1200 TOWS used. As for this encounter, the deal is simple. Monkeys using à system like monkeys on a more protected target, gives à thug life meme.
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The information of T-90A and 1992 model is very incorrect.
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Werewolf wrote:The information of T-90A and 1992 model is very incorrect.
Indeed. There's 12 years between the two.
Got carried away with A's everywhere.
Tow2A
T90A
etc. But that's a huge gaffe on my behalf, although, if the original T90 is immune to that spot, the 90A should be too.
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Well talk about these Syrians making mistakes... they parked a tank in a position where only the heaviest armour could be targeted... if they had spotters deployed they might have been able to hit at least the launcher if not the crew...
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GarryB wrote:Well talk about these Syrians making mistakes... they parked a tank in a position where only the heaviest armour could be targeted... if they had spotters deployed they might have been able to hit at least the launcher if not the crew...
Actually at that distance they don't need spotters. It's well within Irtysh PID range. And the TC was firing on the general direction of the Moderats. It's just them using good materiel like crap.
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yeah... like looking down a sniper scope at a target... why didn't they see it coming... how could the Muj or the Vietnamese have been so successful with their hit and run tactics... I mean the target must know it is coming so they can be ready all the time for that split second warning of an attack... how well trained were the US forces in Vietnam or Soviet forces in Afghanistan?
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Looking forward to see a captured TOW on Russian TV.
Russians like Trophies
Russians like Trophies
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TheArmenian wrote:Looking forward to see a captured TOW on Russian TV.
Russians like Trophies
TOW tubes have been captured as late as this february. The CLU is something that will not be easy to capture as the teams usually don't have many tubes with them, thus expose themselves very little.
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Read this week that the T-90A's in Syria appear to be from the first batch produced and had previously been with the 20th Motor Rifle Brigade in Volgograd. Anyone else see anything about this? Certainly will reduce the number being upgraded to T-90AM.
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Interesting. This coincides with an earlier report that the earliest T-90A's would not be upgraded to M.franco wrote:Read this week that the T-90A's in Syria appear to be from the first batch produced and had previously been with the 20th Motor Rifle Brigade in Volgograd. Anyone else see anything about this? Certainly will reduce the number being upgraded to T-90AM.
Technically, as long as they are not destroyed...
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franco wrote:Read this week that the T-90A's in Syria appear to be from the first batch produced and had previously been with the 20th Motor Rifle Brigade in Volgograd. Anyone else see anything about this? Certainly will reduce the number being upgraded to T-90AM.
Those aren't T90A's. It's original T90's.
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Original 1992 T-90's will certainly not be upgraded A's however already have necessary changes to justify an upgrade to M's.
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Военный Советник @miladvisor 2 hours ago
Presumably photo of #SAA T-90 tank from video, which was hit by militants TOW
From this angle nothing much is visible other than damaged 'red eye's and one K-5 tile missing which probably went active.
Presumably photo of #SAA T-90 tank from video, which was hit by militants TOW
From this angle nothing much is visible other than damaged 'red eye's and one K-5 tile missing which probably went active.
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Dima wrote:Военный Советник @miladvisor 2 hours ago
Presumably photo of #SAA T-90 tank from video, which was hit by militants TOW
From this angle nothing much is visible other than damaged 'red eye's and one K-5 tile missing which probably went active.
ult wrote:I think this was the T-90 model 1992. Number 21_4. Did anyone mention it?
Seems like the very exact tank and indeed the old T-90 (1992) version which has armor configuration of T-72B.
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T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!
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KoTeMoRe wrote:T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!
What was the TOW version TOW2A?
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KoTeMoRe wrote:T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!
Meanwhile 1970's era Konkurs has proven it can penetrate the turret front of the M1A2 Abrams and destroy it.
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Werewolf wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!
What was the TOW version TOW2A?
Yes BGM-71E3 Doesn't get more explicit than that.
And yeah Fagot or Konkurs punched right through side Abrams and armored shutter of the bustle. Not only that, but it fried the guys inside. Suddenly the 68 tons of Abroomz, don't feel that much of a safe heaven.
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В Сети, наконец, появилось фото Т-90, выдержавшего попадание ПТУР TOW-2
Russia T-90 v Tow 2: Photo | March 20, 2016 [03.20.2016 16:08:37]
K5 do the job.
Russia T-90 v Tow 2: Photo | March 20, 2016 [03.20.2016 16:08:37]
http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2016/03/90-tow-2.htmlAfter a wave of enthusiastic publications about "the reliability of Russian armor" appeared on the Web video hit with missiles anti-missile system in the TOW-2 T-90 tank sample in 1992 gradually came to naught. Many waited for the Syrian military publish their videos with this machine, or at least some photographs. But time passed and nothing happened. And so the suspicion began to arise on the part of the expert community, all in the case did not go so smoothly.
These fears are denied people who were more fully informed about what is happening in Syria. Thus, the editor of the magazine "Arsenal Fatherland" Viktor Murakhovski on the forum site "Courage," said that everything is fine with the tank he arrived at the Syrian armored repair plant, where he changed the dynamic protection and headroom sights.
K5 do the job.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!
Meanwhile 1970's era Konkurs has proven it can penetrate the turret front of the M1A2 Abrams and destroy it.
500mm RHA penetration to the side, not front. The Kornet did the iraqi M1A1M front to rear even the interior volume that can be considered as air gap armor of around two meters has not effected the Kornet penetrator in the slightest to pierce through bustle and leave crew open to fire.
Just like i argued before it occured along with others, that ammunition bustle does not make it magically safe and since the americans do not use anything else but SABOTs and MPHEAT aimed backwards they are not going to have much boom, but as soon they load HE-frag rounds the flimsy thin ammunition bustle access door will not withstand the pressure.
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Werewolf wrote:magnumcromagnon wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:T90 hype is off the roof! Nizhniy Tagil Akbaaar!
Meanwhile 1970's era Konkurs has proven it can penetrate the turret front of the M1A2 Abrams and destroy it.
500mm RHA penetration to the side, not front. The Kornet did the iraqi M1A1M front to rear even the interior volume that can be considered as air gap armor of around two meters has not effected the Kornet penetrator in the slightest to pierce through bustle and leave crew open to fire.
Just like i argued before it occured along with others, that ammunition bustle does not make it magically safe and since the americans do not use anything else but SABOTs and MPHEAT aimed backwards they are not going to have much boom, but as soon they load HE-frag rounds the flimsy thin ammunition bustle access door will not withstand the pressure.
The trick is to breach the shutter. Once the shutter is pierced overpressure will do it's thing.
MPATS will cook you just the same and the propellant will stew you instead of roasting you. ...Them Saudis know about it.
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KoTeMoRe wrote:
The trick is to breach the shutter. Once the shutter is pierced overpressure will do it's thing.
MPATS will cook you just the same and the propellant will stew you instead of roasting you. ...Them Saudis know about it.
True.
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I hesitated to post into the syrian conflict topic, however as this article concerns directly the technologies involving T-90, and its supposed failed anti missile shield "Shtora" I posted in this area. Could you tell please me if the TOW 2 could disabled a T-90 MS ?
http://www.defensetech.org/2016/03/30/on-the-russian-tank-damaged-by-a-us-missile-in-syria/
On the Russian Tank Damaged by a US Missile in Syria
POSTED BY: BRENDAN MCGARRY MARCH 30, 2016
The incident involving a Russian-made T-90 tank that was struck by a U.S.-made TOW missile in Syria is making headlines again after a picture surfaced allegedly showing the damage.
Last month, a YouTube video was published that depicts a Syrian rebel in Sheikh Aqil, a town near Aleppo, firing a BGM-71 TOW (for tube-launched, optically tracked, wire-guided) missile at a T-90 tank apparently operated by Syrian forces. The T-90 is Russia’s main battle tank and entered service in the 1990s.
Last week, as reported by War is Boring and The Washington Post, an image was posted on Twitter by a user identified as Qalaat Al Mudiq that appears to show the damaged tracked vehicle.
Indeed, one of the two light boxes affixed on either side of the main gun as part of the “Shtora” electro-optical active protection system is visibly dislodged and dangling from its mount. As readers of this blog pointed out, it appears the frontal reactive armor on the T-90 did more to disrupt the missile than anything else.
And to clear up any confusion, the TOW is wire-guided by the operator and does not need a laser designation. After launching the missile, the operator keeps the sight pointed at the target and two wires trailing the projectile control its trajectory using information from the guidance system.
That means the Shtora as it’s currently known wouldn’t necessarily activate against the wire-guided TOW, but it would against laser-guided AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, MK-80N-series bombs and AGM-65 Maverick missiles.
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/711534079410311168/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Here is the photo of disabled T-90
Here's the T-90 allegedly hit by Suqur al-Jebal #TOW last 26th Feb.in W. #Aleppo. Right Shtora broken. @MinsterTX
1:45 PM - 20 Mar 2016
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What do you mean by 'disable'?
Like the T-90A - MS could easily pop smoke and simply avoid the missile - which is notably slow.
If it impacts from the same angle as the T-90 in Syria, it would probably hit Relikt and stand little chance of penetrating.
Like the T-90A - MS could easily pop smoke and simply avoid the missile - which is notably slow.
If it impacts from the same angle as the T-90 in Syria, it would probably hit Relikt and stand little chance of penetrating.
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