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Mike E wrote:
What do you mean by 'disable'?
GarryB wrote:Even the old original SHTORA should defeat a wire guided ATGM system... it simply overwhelms the gionometer in the ATGM launcher so it cannot track the missile anymore. IF it cannot track the missile it cannot guide the missile to the target so the missile will live up to its name and miss(ile).
By disable, I mean unable to fight, if not completely destroyed. I have no confidence on photos showed, exhibited by western medias, that only dream to debunk russian technology, as it was with soviet's technology. As "Gur Khan attacks" 's blog -that is my new favourite-, even RPG-7 could destroy the M1 -U can notice that as Zaloga's stupid fantasies, in his ugly book M1 Abrams vs. T-72 Ural - Operation Desert Storm at Osprey publishing, the M1 Abrams is invulnerable, nothing could stop it. The facts, and the pictures we were witnessed during US occupation in Iraq, and Saudi's occupation in Yemen proved the total contrary -poor Zaloga!-. Even an old 60's era AT-4 spigot could easily destroy, and burn any western tanks, whatever it is the M1-A2, Leopard, Challenger, or the AMX-40 Leclerc. Then let's leave Zaloga in his bubble, as he worked for the military complex, without objectives other than to serve US soap's propaganda. - and indeed it was the case in Iraq, chiefly in Falludjah. Consequently I supposed that the TOW-2 too, could destroy the T-90. But the Shtora could change all. If the missile's signal is jammed, indeed, the missile could not reach the tank, or has less chances to reach it.
Werewolf wrote:
130 put of service, 80 M1 Abrams have been destroyed, they just love to use different terms for such facts like "damaged beyond repair" like the data file from US with a very cocky name something like the lines "M1 Abrams the best" which was a report of its performance in Desert Storm has shown how many have been put out by weapons that have not been in use for decades and have been extinct on all battlefields where russians have used their tanks or other users of export models.
nemrod wrote:Ugly video from terrorists.
It seems this tank was hit, but crew seems to be OK. What I don't understand, why did not the shtora jam the TOW-2 ? If the signal was jammed, the missile could not hit the tank. I suspect one of the reason is the fact that team was not enough trained to use in effective way, as the T-90 is recent in Syrian's conflict. Or did the Shtora fail ? If not jammed ?
nemrod wrote:
To Werewolf.
I used to beware about the DoD's figures. Most of the time these figures due lobby of US military, or US military complex for commercial reasons are false. I heard in other free forums wrote by veterans, at least 200 M1 Abrams were destroyed. At least 500 M1 were sent back to US. Indeed, most of the time, they invoked "mechanical faillures", as you said "damaged beyond repair" etc...I know that RPG-7 is not enough to destroy an M1 Abrams, nevertheless it could easily disabled it, by hitting its for example its chenilles. Before 2000's I remember that palestinian destroyed, and burned a Merkava by only a simple RPG-7. Nevertheless, a thing is sure the RPG-29 could destroy any tank in the world, including of course the M1 Abrams, and the T-90 itself.
Generally the tank in urban area is extremely vulnerable, whatever it is, even though it is the T-90 or Armata.
OK, it is seen for the next timeWerewolf wrote:
You don't need to tell me that.
Werewolf wrote:
The losses of Apaches in Iraq were only and exclusivley Apaches have been reported crashed without enemy engagement is already a lie aswell the figures, the tank losses are just a fraction of the actual losses.
Mike E wrote:It was announced a while ago (with the T-90M models at Army-2015) and later reinforced at RAE.
Nothing new since then, I suspect;
- Delays from Armata and B3 upgrading.
- It simply hasn't been put into motion yet.
I wouldn't worry - worst case scenario we get more T-14's instead.
when are the first T-14s being brought into service?
Mike E wrote:
2) 8 of those 18 rounds are kept in-vehicle adjacent to the carousel, being protected by armoured boxes.
Werewolf wrote:WTF 360°?
SouthFront: Militants use US-made BGM 71 against Russian-made T-90 in Aleppo province
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/southfront-militants-use-us-made-bgm-71-russian-made-t-90-aleppo-province/
On May 10, the Free Syrian Army released a video, claiming that they destroyed a Russian-made T-90 with a US-made anti-tank missile, BGM-71 TOW. The incident allegedly took place near Humayra, 10 kilometers south of Aleppo City.
Pro-militant sources that the battle tank has been destroyed.
Other sources report that this T-90 has been observed active in Southern Aleppo after the event:
Shtora countermeasures seen on Algerian T-90
Jens Kastner (INS), London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
A photograph released by Algeria's Ministry of National Defence (MDN) on 26 May confirms it is now operating T-90 tanks with the Shtora countermeasures system.
The photograph shows Chief of the National People's Army Lieutenant General Ahmed Gaid Saleh inspecting the 26th Armoured Regiment during a visit to the 3rd Military Region, which covers the western provinces of Bechar and Tindouf on the Moroccan and Mauritanian borders.
The Shtora can be identified by the presence of two infrared emitters fitted either side of the tank's main gun. These are designed to deceive the guidance systems on some types of anti-tank guided weapons (ATGWs). The Shtora was previously only seen on Russian tanks before October 2015, but some Syrian forces may now be operating a small number of T-90s fitted with the system.
Russia delivered 185 T-90s to Algeria in 2006-08 and 187 in 2012-13, according to information submitted by Moscow to the UN Office of Disarmament Affairs.
The Shtora may only be fitted to a more recent consignment of T-90s. Photographs circulated in December 2015 showing T-90s being unloaded in Oran from a roll-on/roll-off cargo ship that had sailed from Ust-Luga on Russia's Baltic Sea. The same ship made the same voyage a second time in March.
No T-90s were seen in the Algerian television coverage of an exercise held earlier in Gen Saleh's five-day visit to the 3rd Military Region. This reportedly featured units from the 40th Mechanised Division, which were equipped with extensively upgraded T-55 tanks, upgraded BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles, D-30 and BM-21 Grad artillery, and air defence systems including ZSU-23-4 Shilka self-propelled anti-aircraft guns and the more advanced Pantsyr-S1.
volna wrote:Why not put the emitter outside the ERA cover just like the Oplot tank?
I thought it's the better way.
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