S-300P/400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

Hole wrote:The external difference between the core of the S-500 and the S-400 won´t be so great. The long-range missile and space defence part will differ.

But you are right. I thought there were only fittings for two missiles, but the trailer is the same.

Why this secrecy around the S-500?
They showed the first prototype of the Su-57.
They showed the first T-14 tanks on red square.
What´s the difference with the S-500? We would only see a truck with two or four missile containers. Nothing more.

Hole wrote:The external difference between the core of the S-500 and the S-400 won´t be so great. The long-range missile and space defence part will differ.

But you are right. I thought there were only fittings for two missiles, but the trailer is the same.

Why this secrecy around the S-500?
They showed the first prototype of the Su-57.
They showed the first T-14 tanks on red square.
What´s the difference with the S-500? We would only see a truck with two or four missile containers. Nothing more.

Hole wrote:With pictures from a plane and a tank you can reach more conclusions than from a sealed missile container.

Isos wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you?  

One of those will cost like 10 cruise missiles ... not really good for a drone that os meant to be used in very big numbers.

They forgot also that very long range missiles are becoming traditional weapons against those transpart plane like r-37, meteor, ks-172, chinese long range missiles ... with awacs suppot they have 0 chance.

Isos wrote:

Hole wrote:The external difference between the core of the S-500 and the S-400 won´t be so great. The long-range missile and space defence part will differ.

But you are right. I thought there were only fittings for two missiles, but the trailer is the same.

Why this secrecy around the S-500?
They showed the first prototype of the Su-57.
They showed the first T-14 tanks on red square.
What´s the difference with the S-500? We would only see a truck with two or four missile containers. Nothing more.

They test it to be sure it works well first. If they show it and fail tests, the pictures will be associated to articles saying it is a crap system in western media.

PapaDragon wrote:
Surprisingly decent:

Russia's S-500 Air Defense System: An F-35, F-22 or B-1 Bomber Killer?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-s-500-air-defense-system-f-35-f-22-or-b-1-bomber-26216

unless they're configured to be cheap jamming drones that wouldnt be cost effective if they were single use.

Isos wrote:

unless they're configured to be cheap jamming drones that wouldnt be cost effective if they were single use.

It's funny this idea of a drone that has more functionalities than a cruise missile but beung cheaper only because it is  called drone. That's just unrealistic. If you want your drone to be a cruise missile with electronics to detect s-400 radars, be smart enough to coordinate an attack and with refueling capabilities, it will never be cheap. Actually cruise missile will be cheaper.

Rq-4 Global hawk drone acording to wikipedia was meant to be 35 million piece and it ended at 200 million $.  And if it is detected it far more easier to shot down than lets say a reco mig-25 or f-18 which can carry much more electronics than a drone. The only advantage of drones is range but still if detected it won't help because their speed is very slow.

PapaDragon wrote:
Surprisingly decent:

Russia's S-500 Air Defense System: An F-35, F-22 or B-1 Bomber Killer?

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-s-500-air-defense-system-f-35-f-22-or-b-1-bomber-26216

Everything is waiting for the mysterious S-500. This system should please everyone and make everybody happy. The longlasting development struggle with 9M96/40N6/77N6 could explain why Russia is so shy to show up S-500 prototypes. The goal to handle all these missiles in one system means the possibility of last minute changes even in the launch systems hardware. And to come up every year with a different S-500 concept could effect the public opinion over that "ultimate" weapon system. wrote:

Arrow wrote:

Nothing new.For many years, the same information has been repeatedly repeated. It's funny to hide the mythical S-500

Plus news from even US about S-500 use. wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:Since Russia has a long history, and Almaz Antey not only being of that history but also the financial aspect of the company being real strong, in making long range AA missiles, I think it is safe to say of its existence.  If you don't believe it, thats fine, cause you are a nobody like rest of us.  So in end, you can pretend it doesn't exist and Russia will never make it.  Just like what was said about PAK FA, about Borei and Bulava, etc etc etc.  

Senate to ban US weapon supplies to Turkey over potential purchase of Russian S-400 system

Earlier reports said that Ankara intends to purchase over 100 F-35 warplanes. The proposed measure may hinder the execution of the contract

WASHINGTON, June 19. /TASS/. The US Senate adopted on Monday the National Defense Authorization Act for fiscal year 2019, which obliges the Secretary of Defense to present a special report regarding the potential purchase of the S-400 air and missile defense system from Russia by the Turkish government.

Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of the Authorization Act, "the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on the status of the United States relationship with the Republic of Turkey," the document said.

According to the Act, "the Secretary of Defense may not take any action to execute delivery of a foreign military sale for major defense equipment" to Tukey until the report is submitted.

The required report should include "an assessment of the potential purchase by the Government of Turkey of the S-400 air and missile defense system from the Russian Federation and the potential effects of such purchase on the United States-Turkey bilateral relationship, including an assessment of impacts on other United States weapon systems and platforms operated jointly with Turkey to include the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike aircraft; the Patriot surface-to-air missile system; the CH-47 Chinook heavy lift helicopter; the AH-1 Attack helicopter; the H-60 Black Hawk utility helicopter; and the F-16 Fighting Falcon aircraft," the Senate said.

The Secretary of Defense is not allowed to take any action "to execute delivery of a foreign military sale for major defense equipment subject to congressional notification to the Republic of Turkey until the Secretary submits to the appropriate congressional committees the report," the Act said.

Earlier reports said that Ankara intends to purchase over 100 F-35 warplanes. The proposed measure may hinder the execution of the contract.

Russia’s S-400 Triumf (NATO reporting name: SA-21 Growler) is the latest long-range antiaircraft missile system that went into service in 2007. It is designed to destroy aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles, including medium-range missiles, and surface targets. The S-400 can engage targets at a distance of 400 kilometers and at an altitude of up to 30 kilometers.

In November 2016, it was announced that Turkey and Russia were negotiating the contract for the supply of S-400 air defense systems. Russia confirmed the conclusion of the contract on September 12, 2017.


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