S-300P/400 News [Russian Strategic Air Defense] #3

JohninMK wrote:

rambo54 wrote:these images clearly show that Russia withdraw not - as reported -  (the never deployed) S-300V but (one of two batteries) S-400 via Tartus harbor

Not sure the point you are making. That is surely an incoming not a withdrawing system.

EDIT: This is an old video

https://twitter.com/warsmonitoring/status/955780361375698944

you are right! My mistake - But the announcement to withdraw the S-300V is nonsense - they never were there (Tartus).
It remains open whether they will really withdraw one of their two S-400 batteries...
The video show their arrival :-)

New S-400 unit deployed on the Volga (Central MD)
http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=472214

Cyberspec wrote:New S-400 unit deployed on the Volga (Central MD)
http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=472214

This is 511st AD RGT at Engels. They got one batt in Dec 2017 and will get the second in spring 2018

ok so delayed reporting

George1 wrote:Appears that the fourth & final S-400 regiment set transferred in 2017 under GOZ-2017 went to 511th SAM Regiment (ZRP) based near the Russian city of Saratov & next to Engels airbase where Tupolev-160s are stationed.





https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12159948@egNews

S-400 "Triumph" anti-aircraft missile systems entered combat duty in the air defense unit of the Central Military District (CVO) in the Volga region. The solemn ceremony in the Saratov region was attended by the commander of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces Lieutenant-General Alexander Tatarenko.
For the placement of new complexes, equipment and disguising positions were carried out.
In December of last year, servicemen of the Saratov Airborne Forces' Central Command successfully completed the retraining course for new weapons and carried out a training program from the S-400 at the training ground in the Astrakhan region.

There are a delay of several months between the hand over of the set by the production plant and the deployment at the homebase
511th ZRP was the first S-400 set of the 2017 plan. 12th the second and 583th is the third
The 4th set is not known. bmpd said probably 18th ZPR could receive a trird battallion.
Is probable the regiments that already has 2 battallions get a third for complete the standard regiment of 3 battallions. Now, the 606th and the regiment of Kamchatka have 3 battallions
There are 19 known regiments (about the half of total) with S-400 and the other with S-300.The S-500 will be received soon after the S-400, and S-300 replaced

https://www.russiadefence.net/t5804p75-s-300-400-orbat-battalions-and-regiments#208825
2009: 606º (One battalion sent to training center in 2016)
2011: 210º
2012: 93º , 589º
2013: 183º , 1537º
2014: 549º , 531º , 1532º
2015: 590º , 500º , 1533º
2016: 18º , 1488º , 584º , 606º , 1528º
2017: 511º , 12º , 583º , ????

511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s-6lBvADEg&feature=youtu.be
https://www.terraserver.com/view?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_text=&searchLat=&searchLng=&lat=51.409600&lng=46.162954&bbox=&center=

583 (Olenogorsk) ?
source please

Do U have any information regarding 26 & 32 Aerospace Defence Division. I am asking because I can not see them in S-300/400 ORBAT ?

*BobStanley wrote:Do U have any information regarding 26 & 32 Aerospace Defence Division. I am asking because I can not see them in S-300/400 ORBAT ?

Never heard of 32.

26th AD Division
•1723 AD RGT – Tschita
with two sites equipped with S-300PS

6th A&ADA/32nd ADD in Rzhev (rus. Ржев) ...probably.

*BobStanley wrote:6th A&ADA/32nd ADD in Rzhev (rus. Ржев) ...probably.

Now I got it

32th Air Defence Division includes 2 RGT with 4 Battalions
• 42 AD RGT (2x S-300PS) – Valdai
58.035703° 33.323480° / 58.067807° 32.960545°
• 108 AD RGT (2x S-300PS) – Voronesh
51.592206° 39.102357° / 51.444523° 39.294684°

and as I already said

26th Air Defence Division include 1 RGT with 2 Battalions
• 1723 AD RGT (2x S-300PS) – Tschita
52.046230° 113.569277° / 52.174317° 113.542012°

Cheers

Plus RadioTech Regiments or Radar. The 32nd has 4 of them while the 26th has only 1.

franco wrote:Plus RadioTech Regiments or Radar. The 32nd has 4 of them while the 26th has only 1.

Interresting Franco for my part i just know 3 for 32nd : 335, 336 and 337 RTP at respectively Kuzminskoye 57 26 39N, 39 45 58E, Oryol 52 56 06N, 36 01 37E, Rzhev 56 14 48N, 34 28 06E who is the fourth ?
thanks

zardof wrote:

franco wrote:Plus RadioTech Regiments or Radar. The 32nd has 4 of them while the 26th has only 1.

Interresting Franco for my part i just know 3 for 32nd : 335, 336 and 337 RTP at respectively Kuzminskoye 57 26 39N, 39 45 58E, Oryol 52 56 06N, 36 01 37E, Rzhev 56 14 48N, 34 28 06E who is the fourth ?
thanks

You are correct sir. My bad. After I had read my own post, couldn't think of the 4th myself and meant to recheck but got busy and forgot. Haste makes waste and thanks for the correction.

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/104204/

Nizhny Novgorod machine-building plant started production of air defense missile systems s-500

Manufacture of anti-aircraft missile systems s-500 in the car chassis has already begun with the Nizhny Novgorod machine-building plant.

System s-500 will replace the s-400. It is created to allow operation in the next 25 years. Their delivery to the troops will begin in 2020.

The construction of the "Plant of the 70th anniversary of the Victory" in Nizhny Novgorod and plant for the production of components for s-400 and s-500 in Kirov concern "Almaz-Antey" led with 2012.

http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4986966

miketheterrible wrote:https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/104204/

Nizhny Novgorod machine-building plant started production of air defense missile systems s-500

Related report...

Chief Designer unveils details of Russian next-generation air-defence systems
http://defence-blog.com/army/chief-designer-unveils-details-russian-next-generation-air-defence-systems.html

There has been a lot of talk about the newest strategic weapons announced on the first of March and how they are destabilising and start a new arms race, but as far as I see, they are only further ensuring MAD and therefore do not undermine current balance of force, at least according to the US officials, which claim that their missile defence is not aimed at Russia and was never going to be capable of stopping a retaliating attack. IMO it is the S500 that is a game changer and could be perceived by USA with at least some legitimacy as destabilizing. From what we learn, it should be in conditions to intercept ICBMs, specially if deployed with the Russian Navy (as suggested with the Lider-class destroyers) and Russia has never stated that it would not be used against an American attack.

Am I missing something or does the S500 finally represent the Russians also deciding to renounce to the ABM treaty?

Thanks,

When the US withdrew from the ABM treaty it no longer applied to either party.

Russia abided by the ABM treaty but had a ballistic missile defence system around Moscow... the end of that treaty means Moscow can now expand that ABM system as much as they like and with mobile S-500 systems being pretty much mobile ABM systems then they could produce one or more S-500 battery for every major port or city or ICBM field in Russia without breaking any treaty,,, America rendered that treaty null and void when they withdrew.

The US ABM system is mostly naval based so it already is in practical terms a limited global system...

The new Russian system will be fully mobile too.

GarryB wrote:When the US withdrew from the ABM treaty it no longer applied to either party.

Russia abided by the ABM treaty but had a ballistic missile defence system around Moscow... the end of that treaty means Moscow can now expand that ABM system as much as they like and with mobile S-500 systems being pretty much mobile ABM systems then they could produce one or more S-500 battery for every major port or city or ICBM field in Russia without breaking any treaty,,, America rendered that treaty null and void when they withdrew.

The US ABM system is mostly naval based so it already is in practical terms a limited global system...

The new Russian system will be fully mobile too.

Totally agree, once US withdrew, the treaty was terminated. I just find it very telling that, instead of protesting the design and deployment of the S-500, which threats their retaliatory capacity (that would represent a defensive perspective), US finds the new offensive weapons "destabilizing", just for the fact that they ensure nuclear deterrence (void ABM shield and therefore their pre-emptive strike capacity).

The sane approach, and the one I would assume Russia would take, would be to agree on a renewal of the ABM and START treaties, as Putin hinted on 1st. of March. To reach a nuclear parity by the massive deployment of extremely costly ABM systems is madness and will bankrupt any country, to reach deterrence it would be much more effective to have few warheads and no ABM. But it seems Russia thinks that US:

- entertains the possibility of a pre-emptive strike against the Russian territory
- will not renounce to their missile shield

Therefore the RF has opted for developing its own ABM system. Very telling about how they trust the US.

Well they can't trust the US... at least they have realised that.

GarryB wrote:Well they can't trust the US... at least they have realised that.

The funny part is that US say russia is violating treaties about iskander missile range while they just withdrew from treaties when their tech is available and the oponent techno is not. US sign these treaties to gain some time. Nothing more.

According to the article below, production of the S-500 has either already begun or is about to begin.

The first S-500 battalion is expected to be deployed in 2019 in the Moscow region as was the case with the first S-300 in the 70's and S-400 in 2007-2009....the further pace of S-500 production will depend on the performance in field conditions of the first unit

http://x-true.info/67460-protivoraketnyy-prometey-rossiya-nachala-proizvodstvo-novoy-sistemy-pro.html

The US was jumping up and down complaining that the cruise missile addon for the Iskander missile violated the INF treaty to distract attention from the fact that their land based AEGIS system in europe is based on the Mk41 launch system... which can fire Standard SAMS but also Tomahawk cruise missiles... which makes it a direct violation of the INF treaty.

GarryB wrote:The US was jumping up and down complaining that the cruise missile addon for the Iskander missile violated the INF treaty to distract attention from the fact that their land based AEGIS system in europe is based on the Mk41 launch system... which can fire Standard SAMS but also Tomahawk cruise missiles... which makes it a direct violation of the INF treaty.

This reporter from Finland has eventually found out a way to destroy both the S-400 & Iskander  

https://twitter.com/charlyjsp/status/976089724988411911


And in the Nordic countries, this guy Charles is considered to be an outstanding defence reporter.