Uh Garry, I never advocated to buy from China. Re read my posts. Someone else mentioned to buy from China, not me. I am not wrong on the repair plants being fucked in terms of people being stupid and breaking code.
My rant was not directed at anyone in particular, chinese production alternatives were suggested by several people... who know who they are... that is fine they want a quick cheap solution and the west has been using China for quick cheap production solutions for some time now... but if the problem is Russia not being able to fix their own ships then the solution doens't help correct that... it is not a solution it is an alternative and in this case the alternative basically is saying Russia can't build or maintain ships which is not a solution it is a suicide pact.
As for the Yak 141 not working, it worked. It wasn't as efficient as they wanted and the benefits weren't there compared to Su-33. But times have changed. Let's not forget Yak 38 was used for years prior.
The Yak-41 never worked... it could take off and land, but it never had a radar that worked it was never fully equipped... it never had more than four wing hard points and a 30mm cannon... with downward pointing turbojet lift engines and a huge downward pointing turbofan of enormous power belly mounted weapons were not an option either... it had a small wing for supersonic flight which limits the amount of weapons it could carry... it would likely have been no better armed than an F-35 with internal weapons only but it didn't even get stealth as a reward for such a thing.
The Yak was complex and fragile and was not as good as the MiG-29K and was not likely to get better.
Its one trick was that it could take off from small ships but when it did its performance was even more limited by vertical take off and landing... honestly a Ka-52K would give better service much much cheaper, though with a lower flight speed.
And yes, they already blew half a billion on this ship. The jump jet is actually already being funded anyway as per Putin's demand from what Borisov has said. So I rather take his word than yours.
You probably know more about fighter jets than Putin does... tell me... if you handed over 10 billion dollars to any Russian aircraft maker... how long would it take to get a 5th generation VSTOL fighter aircraft flying and operational with all the bugs sorted out... note the Yak-41 was never stealthy and is a dead end to base the design on so starting from scratch.
With 10 billion dollars you can have a half arsed fragile short range fighter plane that crashes all the time, or you could fix the K and probably also build a CVN in ten years time as well... why are you so keen on a piece of shit vertical take off fighter... it makes the design much more difficult and fragile for no benefit at all... conventional fighters can take off from any 500m strip of motorway... no country on the planet can make holes every 200m in the motor ways of Russia...
An additional six months is what is being told from after this fire. That's not enough time to build a dry dock and what not.
Well it means they will be busy for an extra 6 months while they are waiting for a new dry dock... no big deal.
You don't see any USMC F-35Bs using a ski jump do you?
STOVL aircraft don't need skijumps but they do benefit from them.
BTW US naval fighters like their Hornets don't use ski jumps either but they need catapult assistance to get airborne even at light weight, while Russian fighters take off with a ski jump but no cats.
AFAIK skijumps and cats are not compatible so you either have one or the other... the new british carriers don't have cats, so they chose skijump instead, US carriers chose cats and so don't have ski jumps.
Russian plans seem to have both because they will use cats to launch heavy aircraft like AWACS, while fighters will use ski jumps because full fuel and air to air weapons means they don't operate at max weights anyway, but their power to weight ratio means they can take off without the complication or expense of cats.
They did always intend to develop cats for AWACS platforms and as such might have used them for fighters on strike missions, but they are primary fighter air defence carriers...
I said paying chinese for repairing the ship which they do better than russians and much faster and I also said btw they could sell them the kuznetsov and use the money to start a new carrier.
Two issues with that statement... do you have evidence to back that statement up, and second they are waiting for a floating dry dock to be built so whether it can be fixed in 6 months or ten minutes is irrelevant because it will sit and wait for a dry dock to be build either way.
This ship even operational has no more usefulness in modern RuN.
That is not what they said:
This is because construction of a new aircraft carrier won't begin until 2030 at the earliest, and the pilots of the naval aviation's 279th and 100th Naval Aviation Fighter Regiments need to be able to practice on a real carrier to sustain that institutional knowledge. 19/
Those underarmed helicopter carrier they plan to build won't be more usefull than the kuznetsov. A small nuclear powered 40kT shtorm km is a better option for the same weight. Mistral class like ships with helicopters are pretty useless. A carrier can carry only helicopter if really needed.
You are telling them what they need?
The Mistral was underarmed... we really don't know what they are going to actually build so I don't understand how you can claim they will be underarmed.
Edit: This ship is pretty simple with no expensive systems. It should be quick to build and not expensive. They already have nuclear reactor for such ships (borei, icebreakers...). Other system are also simple and already produced. What increase costs are new and modern systems, not welding metal togather even if it is for a 330m ship.
It has a good amount of planes. Very good to support upgraded kirovs and Gorsgkov frigates/destroyers.
They said they are not looking at building a replacement CVN till 2030...
Is a bigger aircraft carrier really necessary because a Russian carrier will at best protect 7-8 ships it operates with ?
Size is capability and capacity... if you only have one cruiser would you make it a Kirov or a slightly bigger Sovremmeny?
The newer ships they are making are enormously well armed... the new carriers need to provide air support.... the ships and subs will provide long range strike... the carrier will provide air cover and long range vision to find targets early so they can be dealt with more easily and efficiently.
Russia probably could look into a
(a) E 2 HawEye type of AWACS aircraft that can take off and land from a carrier ; and
(b) CATOBAR carrier that will allow the Russian Navy to launch aircraft with much more payload
Features the new CVN they will be building in 2030 will most likely address, but for now they have the K with Ka-31 AEW helicopters and fighter planes that are reasonably capable... better than 70% of the worlds airforces today.
However now all the problems with the new weapon systems and sensors are solved, so for the future this should go better. And for admiral kuznetov... if the damage is not excessive it will be important to have it in service to train the naval pilots and to check new naval aircrafts and systems.
Modular designs are complex to start with but once you get it right production should be rather fast as long as the funding is there...
That is the point of a modular design... get it right and then scale it up and fix any growing pain bugs and then mass produce that too...
It is a bit like the apparent lack of progress after 2008 when the upgrade of the military was announced... most of the work was hidden... C4IR stuff that makes cruise missile attacks in Syria successful instead of random and hit and miss. Once the basis was ready... Glonass etc then the rest is so much more effective... I would say the west was shocked at Russian performance in Syria and quite embarrassed... preparation and planning is key.
Even india managed to build a simple carrier like the one they have. Carriers are big but they are empty.
It was late and more expensive than promised... but that is normal generally... for everyone.
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