Well Stalin did manage to turn a backward agricultural society which had imported most of its ships, weapons and industrial machinery from Britain and France - into nuclear superpower status in 30 years.
Impressive until you look at how he did it and all the paranoia and BS, but then that wasn't him alone, there were plenty of figures that not only didn't try to stop him... but actually made it worse...
Some accuse him of orchestrating a mass famine. Yet it was under him that the 5-year regular famines of Russia in which millions died every time became a thing of the past, instead you had 5-year plans that modernized the country. He did know a thing or two about management.. and when said management needed to be replaced. Out with the old, in with the new.
Any expert in the west will tell you he was the root of all evil and everything bad that happened before during and after him was all his fault... but that says more about the expertise of western experts than anything else.
But I digress. There are really 2 extremes. One is Stalin, but the other one is doing nothing. So take the middle route, create a little bit of terror, get some heads rolling, fire some people, launch investigations against a few. Make sure the rest of the country gets the message. This won't be tolerated.
First of all there are more than three options...
The option you are suggesting is the Stalin one... rolling heads for position rather than responsibility... one person can't change the US but it seems one person or several people were supposed to fix everything in Russia and for their failure they need to be fired... before any investigation into what actually happened.
Amusing you think investigations are to be punitive rather than fact finding... you have already decided what has happened and you have the solution all ready... except the solution wont change anything either.
It's one thing when it's just equipment damage, it's another when several people lose their lives over it - no doubt 18-20 year old conscripts who were just doing their duty and waiting to return home to their families. What's even a large number of criminal investigations and firings over complacency compared to that? The guilty will serve their time, the complacent will find other jobs; they'll live at least.
All mistakes to be punished immediately and without even looking in to it... great... I want a better job so I will place rags and oil and fuelstuffs a floor beneath where they will be wielding tomorrow... some people will die and lots will get fired and I will have a chance to move up the ladder... when the fires stop they will think I am doing a good job and the problem is fixed... fucking idiots...
[quote[As for firing Putin. Well you know he does bear a responsibility as well. He is overly loyal to his friends.. and everyone at the highest level of power is his friend.[/quote]
Doesn't that depend on the quality of his friends, and whether they are competent in their jobs or just there because they are friends with Putin... I have no idea, but I suspect if they were incompetent they would not remain friends for very long... especially if there is evidence of criminal activity...
This is also something that differentiates him from Stalin, but to Russia's detriment this time. He doesn't take stern enough measures against incompetence. And he doesn't predict things ahead of time; I think it was Vann7 or someone else here who pointed that out. He only reacts after the damage has been done.
Hilarious... of course it is his fault... he needs to analyse every procedure and every rule and every industry and identify problems and make changes... I mean if he has time to meddle in elections all around the western world surely he knows some dumb fuck in some backwater has not paid attention to all the brush and plant growth near his buildings... but when a fire starts there are no fire engines to deal with the problem... I mean just because the guy in charge there said several times there was a problem and everyone ignored him and the local rich took the only local fire engine to protect his mansion instead of a helicopter repair plant for the Navy... yeah... Putins fault... but I get the sense you don't want to fire him... just give him a telling off that he is not the omnipotent being the west suggests he is. ...bastard.
Munition dump fires, forest fires, shipyard fires, shopping mall fires; how many of them are needed to convince the president that there's a problem here?
All different problems in different places... or are you suggesting he ban fire?
And if he was smart, he would have realized there was a problem before all of them had broken out.
Of course.... he could have been to all those places with a wet towel and damped those flames out before they did any real damage... not just telepathic and fortune teller... now also with a cape and in a suit with a big S on the front...
He's been in power effectively since 1999; he could have used the early 2000s, riddled with corruption and competing power clans as they were - to do something about fire codes, safety standards, malpractices and obsolete firefighting equipment. Anyone who worked in any of these sectors could have told him there was a problem. But no, he would rather rely on his friends at the top of the power food chain to tell him that everything is just peachy.
So what you are saying is that there is no change in fire codes or safety standards or fire fighting equipment in the last 20 years... really?
Sounds like a Vann like over reaction to me... you are upset and you want someone to blame... but the real funny thing is that you are not interested in finding out what actually happened... PERHAPS THAT IS THE CULTURAL THING THAT RUSSIA NEEDS TO CHANGE, because if the reaction is always the same then covering your ass and keeping your mouth shut will be standard procedure wont it?
So make it un-unthinkable.
Get started on a project, 1 carrier for the time being. Take all the money earmarked for Kuznetsov repairs and upgrades and put it towards that.
This will give the Russian Navy something to look forward to.
It is the dumbest thing they could possibly do to discard an almost complete aircraft carrier for the promise of perhaps one in 6-8 years time.
They have said they will lay down a new carrier in 2030 or there abouts... that is what all their plans are optimised for no doubt, so completely changing them to push forward a new CVN means pushing forward a lot of other programmes that will cost rather more than just one CVN... we are talking 10s of billions of dollars on all the other things that need to be ready or put in place to operate a new CVN... when they already have a carrier they can use right now.
It is not a super carrier... if they only use it for flight practise with MiGs and Sukhois, and also for planning and practising during exercises then they will be getting their moneys worth from the K... if they scrap her now you multiply all the costs and take away any usefulness you might have gotten from using her...
Sorry mate... normally I respect your opinion but in this case I am thinking of asking Vlad to check your IP to see that Vann hasn't hacked your account...
Do people really think that Russia should spend $10B and 10 years and build a new carrier? Then what? What will this new carrier do that a revitalised Kuznetsov won't?
Exactly... if they can't get it right with the K then there is no point in spending any money on a bigger more expensive and more complicated CVN... they will end up with a Ford class carrier that can't do anything... the propulsion will be all new, the EMALS will be all new, the electronics will be new for a ship of this size... by 2030 they will likely have all new aircraft too... so much potential for a fuck up... so do you think a good idea is to move it up 5 years and start making it right now without the damn design even likely finalised yet?