Syrian War: News #18

d_taddei2 wrote:There's been a lot of transporting of equipment from Russia and Iran and more on the way.  Recently kornet-D added to the SAA list of weapons. What will be next? I am actually surprised we haven't seen Bmp-3 especially with Russians better armour than bmp-1&2 but mostly for its gun choice of 30mm long range ATGW and low velocity gun ideal for armour likely to encounter and blasting buildings. Kornet-T better protection than kornet -D as well. Chosta/hosta another useful piece of kit. And laser guided munitions using 2S7. Maybe even a handful of Bmo-T

d_taddei2 wrote:With focus turning on Daraa etc there's some really easy areas to be had looking at the map ,  think avoiding Israeli side and go for eastern area (jordanian side) first would be better and quicker let isis continue to fight FSA and Co. Seal jordan border then your left with Israeli side. You know for fact Israel will attack SAA. I would imagine many in jordian side will end up looking for deals once pressure is on hence it could be quick to have.

calm wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:There's been a lot of transporting of equipment from Russia and Iran and more on the way.  Recently kornet-D added to the SAA list of weapons. What will be next? I am actually surprised we haven't seen Bmp-3 especially with Russians better armour than bmp-1&2 but mostly for its gun choice of 30mm long range ATGW and low velocity gun ideal for armour likely to encounter and blasting buildings. Kornet-T better protection than kornet -D as well. Chosta/hosta another useful piece of kit. And laser guided munitions using 2S7. Maybe even a handful of Bmo-T

I doubt that. Would like to see some proofs/photos from SAA. If they got them they will post photos on social media soon.
For now we just have some rebels claiming that they have been targeted by ATGMs from around 10 km distance.

d_taddei2 wrote:With focus turning on Daraa etc there's some really easy areas to be had looking at the map ,  think avoiding Israeli side and go for eastern area (jordanian side) first would be better and quicker let isis continue to fight FSA and Co. Seal jordan border then your left with Israeli side. You know for fact Israel will attack SAA. I would imagine many in jordian side will end up looking for deals once pressure is on hence it could be quick to have.

That part is also less populated, so it is very likely that SAA will attack that area all the way to border crossing with Jordan. Pocket can be cut in 2 on this place - http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=32.849019&lon=36.358223&z=12&m=b&gz=0;362837219;328249323;0;57699;157928;0;686645;103855;786209;69238

d_taddei2 wrote:There's been a lot of transporting of equipment from Russia and Iran and more on the way.  Recently kornet-D added to the SAA list of weapons. What will be next? I am actually surprised we haven't seen Bmp-3 especially with Russians better armour than bmp-1&2 but mostly for its gun choice of 30mm long range ATGW and low velocity gun ideal for armour likely to encounter and blasting buildings. Kornet-T better protection than kornet -D as well. Chosta/hosta another useful piece of kit. And laser guided munitions using 2S7. Maybe even a handful of Bmo-T

LAND ARMAMENT LIKELY NEEDS

Artillery Towed Anti-tank: (M)T-12
by declining numbers of ZIS-3, D-44, D-48, BS-3c (M)T-12
by declining numbers of other man-portable recoiless weapons like the SPG-9

Artillery Towed Mortar: Nona-K
by declining numbers of Vasilek, M-240, M-43, M-160

Infantry Reconnaisance: BRDM-2
by declining numbers of BRDM-1, BRDM-2

Infantry IFV: BMD-1, BMP-1
by declining numbers of BMP-1

Surface-Surface Heavy rockets and missiles: Oldest Iranian models (Oghab,...)
by declining numbers of FROG-7

Surface-Surface MRLS: Oldest Iranian models (Fajr-1,...)
by declining numbers of BMD-20, BM-24, BM-14, BM-13

For other types of weapons, bigger stocks of T-54/55/62, M-30 122mm, M-46 130mm, BTR-60, D-20 152mm, ZU-23(-2) 23mm, PT-76, S-60 57mm, D-1 152mm, and in lower level of SA-2, SA-3, SA-5, can sustain longer time the Syrian arsenals in the pre-war numbers.

AIR ARMAMENT LIKELY NEEDS

Fighters: J-2(FT-2), J-5(F-5, FT-5) (from North Korea)
by declining numbers of MiG-15, MiG-21
by declining numbers of L-39 auxiliary aircraft used as combat aircraft in Syria

FGA: Be-6/12, H-5 (from North Korea)
by declining numbers of more modern combat aircrafts
by declining numbers of L-39 auxiliary aircraft used as combat aircraft in Syria

For other types of weapons, the help is more difficult.

SEA ARMAMENT LIKELY NEEDS

Warships: Project 61/01090
by declining numbers of Project 159

For other types of weapons, the help is more difficult.

calm wrote:

d_taddei2 wrote:There's been a lot of transporting of equipment from Russia and Iran and more on the way.  Recently kornet-D added to the SAA list of weapons. What will be next? I am actually surprised we haven't seen Bmp-3 especially with Russians better armour than bmp-1&2 but mostly for its gun choice of 30mm long range ATGW and low velocity gun ideal for armour likely to encounter and blasting buildings. Kornet-T better protection than kornet -D as well. Chosta/hosta another useful piece of kit. And laser guided munitions using 2S7. Maybe even a handful of Bmo-T

I doubt that. Would like to see some proofs/photos from SAA. If they got them they will post photos on social media soon.
For now we just have some rebels claiming that they have been targeted by ATGMs from around 10 km distance.

d_taddei2 wrote:With focus turning on Daraa etc there's some really easy areas to be had looking at the map ,  think avoiding Israeli side and go for eastern area (jordanian side) first would be better and quicker let isis continue to fight FSA and Co. Seal jordan border then your left with Israeli side. You know for fact Israel will attack SAA. I would imagine many in jordian side will end up looking for deals once pressure is on hence it could be quick to have.

That part is also less populated, so it is very likely that SAA will attack that area all the way to border crossing with Jordan. Pocket can be cut in 2 on this place - http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=32.849019&lon=36.358223&z=12&m=b&gz=0;362837219;328249323;0;57699;157928;0;686645;103855;786209;69238

d_taddei2 wrote:
Only links I've seen were two from al masdar
https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-continues-to-provide-military-supplies-to-syrian-army/

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-supplies-syrian-military-with-their-most-sophisticated-anti-tank-missiles/

AT-6 and konkurs mounted on brdm-2 would be enough for them but if they have been issued I would imagine only to special forces and tiger forces

N.-NW. #Hama: several incidents suggest #Russia supplied Regime w/ most modern version of #Kornet #ATGM (range up to 10 km). 12 killed past 2 days: 8 civilians (left) & 4 Jaish Izza fighters (right).

COMMANDER OF US-BACKED FORCES ACCUSES RUSSIA OF COOPERATING WITH ISIS
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Commander Of US-backed Forces Accuses Russia Of Cooperating With ISIS
Polat Can

On May 22, Polat Can, a senior military commander of the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), accused Russia of cooperating with ISIS. The commander claimed that evacuation of ISIS fighters from southern Damascus is a proof of the relationship between Russia and the terrorist organization.

“It’s now confirmed for the whole world how strong is the level of coordination between Russia and terrorist groups including ISIS. The recent agreement between Russia and ISIS in Damascus is one of the series of Russian agreements with terrorism,” Polat Can said in a Tweet.


بولات جان Polat Can
@PolatCanRojava
تأكد مجدداً للعالم أجمع مدى قوة التنسيق بين الروس و المجموعات الارهابية و على رأسها تنظيم داعش الارهابي. ما حدث مؤخراً في دمشق من اتفاق بين الجانب الروسي و ارهابيي داعش كانت حلقة من سلسلة الاتفاقيات الروسية مع الارهاب.#روسيا #داعش #النصرة #احرار_الشام #اردوغان #جيش_الاسلام

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Less than 1,000 fighters of ISIS and members of their families withdrew from southern Damascus on May 21. Later, Syrian pro-government and opposition sources said that ISIS fighters had been evacuated to the al-Rukban refugee camp in the al-Tanaf area, which is under the control of the US-led coalition.

According to pro-governemnt sources, this proves that it was the US-led coalition who played a key role in the evacuation of ISIS fighters from southern Damascus by accepting to host them, and not Russia, contrary to Polat claims.

The US-led coalition and the SDF havve made several well-documented deals with ISIS since 2014. Among the biggest deals was an evacuation agreement that was reached in the city of Manbij in August, 2016, which allowed more than 2,000 ISIS fighters to withdraw with their heavy weapons from the city .

A bigger evacuation deal was reached at the end of the Raqqa battle in October 2017. Under the deal, the US-led coalition and the SDF allowed more than 3,000 fighters of ISIS to withdraw from the city, again with their heavy weapons and trucks loaded with ammunition.

According to local observers, Polat accusations are an attempt to demonizing the picture of Russia among Syrian Kurds. The SDF began to spread such propaganda in its areas since the beginning of the Turkish attack on Afrin area, earlier this year.

Al-Masdar News
@TheArabSource
13 hours ago


Syrian troops to lead southern #Syria offensive, no foreign groups
https://aml.ink/FVxjB  #Daraa #Hezbollah #Iran

SouthFront
@southfronteng
37 minutes ago


Iranian Forces Will Not Participate In Any Operation In Daraa: Iranian Official
http://dlvr.it/QTsbtp

Thousands of Syrian soldiers pour into Daraa from Damascus



https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/thousands-of-syrian-soldiers-pour-into-daraa-from-damascus/

par far wrote:"IRANIAN FORCES WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY OPERATION IN DARAA: IRANIAN OFFICIAL."

On May 23, Iran’s ambassador to Jordan Mojtaba Ferdosipour told the Jordanian al-Ghad newspaper that Iranian forces will not participate in any possible military operation of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in southern Syria. The ambassador suggested that such operation will be backed by Russia.

“Iran will not have any role or participation in such an operation [in southern Syria] if it happened, just as we did not have a role in the operations of Ghouta, Duma and Damascus,” Ferdosipour said during an interview with al-Ghad.
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https://southfront.org/iranian-forces-will-not-participate-in-any-operation-in-daraa-iranian-official/

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:"IRANIAN FORCES WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY OPERATION IN DARAA: IRANIAN OFFICIAL."

On May 23,  Iran’s ambassador to Jordan Mojtaba Ferdosipour told the Jordanian al-Ghad newspaper that Iranian forces will not participate in any possible military operation of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in southern Syria. The ambassador suggested that such operation will be backed by Russia.

“Iran will not have any role or participation in such an operation [in southern Syria] if it happened, just as we did not have a role in the operations of Ghouta, Duma and Damascus,” Ferdosipour said during an interview with al-Ghad.
..........

https://southfront.org/iranian-forces-will-not-participate-in-any-operation-in-daraa-iranian-official/

Good, finally some common sense. That rathole downstairs needs to be cleared out and last thing 555st and SAA need is another Iranian/Israeli love story putting a spanner in the whole thing and giving Uncle Sam more excuses to stick his pecker in.

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Good, finally some common sense. That rathole downstairs needs to be cleared out and last thing 555st and SAA need is another Iranian/Israeli love story putting a spanner in the whole thing and giving Uncle Sam more excuses to stick his pecker in.

Iran has very little to offer pretty much anywhere in Syria. The war on cities and major highways is over, possibly time to go home.
They've setup some checkpoints (or soon will) around Idlib and started airdropping supplies, which may imply a shift in role (to that of peace-keepers/reconstruction).

I can only assume Putin had a word with them.

Even you both know this will not avoid Israeli attacks to the Syrian forces against their advances in the area.

And of course Russia, Syria and Iran know it.

PapaDragon wrote: Good, finally some common sense. That rathole downstairs needs to be cleared out and last thing 555st and SAA need is another Iranian/Israeli love story putting a spanner in the whole thing and giving Uncle Sam more excuses to stick his pecker in.

eehnie wrote:.....
Even you both know this will not avoid Israeli attacks to the Syrian forces against their advances in the area.

And of course Russia, Syria and Iran know it.

KiloGolf wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:"IRANIAN FORCES WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY OPERATION IN DARAA: IRANIAN OFFICIAL."

On May 23,  Iran’s ambassador to Jordan Mojtaba Ferdosipour told the Jordanian al-Ghad newspaper that Iranian forces will not participate in any possible military operation of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) in southern Syria. The ambassador suggested that such operation will be backed by Russia.

“Iran will not have any role or participation in such an operation [in southern Syria] if it happened, just as we did not have a role in the operations of Ghouta, Duma and Damascus,” Ferdosipour said during an interview with al-Ghad.
..........

https://southfront.org/iranian-forces-will-not-participate-in-any-operation-in-daraa-iranian-official/

Good, finally some common sense. That rathole downstairs needs to be cleared out and last thing 555st and SAA need is another Iranian/Israeli love story putting a spanner in the whole thing and giving Uncle Sam more excuses to stick his pecker in.

Iran has very little to offer pretty much anywhere in Syria. The war on cities and major highways is over, possibly time to go home.
They've setup some checkpoints (or soon will) around Idlib and started airdropping supplies, which may imply a shift in role (to that of peace-keepers/reconstruction).

I can only assume Putin had a word with them.