Syrian War: News #18

It'll be interesting to see how this affects Nitwitanyahoo politically. Russian jews are a major constituency in Iz, and plenty of those still have fondness and remaining ties to Russia. Russia-Iz ties are now straight in the toilet with a huge fat guy shitting right on top of them, with possible further violence even.

miketheterrible wrote:That's the thing. Russia has all the necessary assets to stop Israel perminantly but they won't do shit. Kalibr alone would destroy all Israeli bases, even if Israel managed to knock out half of the missiles.

They have less than 10 big airbases. Their AD is weak. A combined attack of supersonic , subsonic Ballistical missiles and all the rockets Iran has in syria + hezbollah will destroy their bases for sure. Russia could also send its sukhoi for SEAD.

Did Putin already send condolences to the families of the killed crew members?

Karl Haushofer wrote:Did Putin already send condolences to the families of the killed crew members?

Yes he did it was in big red letters on sputnik ... he is becoming weak.

It isn't surprising at all actually. Israel have attacked an unarmed US ship for hours during similar operation some 30 years ago. They only attack when you are not ready by surprise.

I think it highly likely that the days of Israel attacking any target they wanted to in Syria ended last night with the sad death of those 14/15 Russian airman.

We can probably expect an increase in the Su-30SM and Su-35 interceptors based in Syria as a minimum and finally now the delivery of those S-300 systems to the Syria air defence system, on the, difficult to argue against, basis that the current S-200 medium/long range system is no longer up to the job.

In many ways the Russians only need to do these actions. It, apart from equivalent military action which is unlikely, would be the absolutely worse possible result for Israel and the US.

The Pentagon and especially CENTCOM must be absolutely fuming at this. Spitting blood.

Russia is shouting at the Israelis this morning, but so is the US. Wonder who has the bigger impact?

This may not go down well with the large numbers of Russian voters in Israel either. So Netty is shouting at his MoD as well.

Have Su-30's all been removed from Syria initially? Cause what I last heard all they had was 4 Su-35 and rest were bombers.

JohninMK wrote:I think it highly likely that the days of Israel attacking any target they wanted to in Syria ended last night with the sad death of those 14/15 Russian airman.

Why would that be?

Who will stop Israel?

JohninMK wrote:
The Pentagon and especially CENTCOM must be absolutely fuming at this. Spitting blood.

Why would Pentagon and CENTCOM be fuming or spitting blood because Israel killed Russian soldiers?

JohninMK wrote:
Russia is shouting at the Israelis this morning, but so is the US. Wonder who has the bigger impact?

Yes, shouting is probably the only response Russia will ever have.

Babak Taghvaee
Babak Taghvaee
@BabakTaghvaee
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#BREAKING
:
#Russia
|n Ministry of Defense has requested MOD of
#Iran
's Islamic Regime to provide refueling support for Russian Air Force's fighter jets in
#Iran
Air Force's Nojeh Air Base in
#Hamedan
today & tomorrow (8th time this month!). Four Il-78Ms will be deployed there too


If true ...

I don't know if this guy is reliable but here more info.

Babak Taghvaee
@BabakTaghvaee
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#BREAKING
: There is possibility of involvement of
#Russia
|n Air Force's Tu-160s and Tu-95MS Strategic Bombers in any possible military operation of
#Russia
against
#Israel
in response to the shoot-down of
#Russia
|n Air Force's Il-20M last night.

Isos wrote:I don't know if this guy is reliable but here more info.

Babak Taghvaee
@BabakTaghvaee
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1h
#BREAKING
: There is possibility of involvement of
#Russia
|n Air Force's Tu-160s and Tu-95MS Strategic Bombers in any possible military operation of
#Russia
against
#Israel
in response to the shoot-down of
#Russia
|n Air Force's Il-20M last night.

Nothing will happen.

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Isos wrote:I don't know if this guy is reliable but here more info.

Babak Taghvaee
@BabakTaghvaee
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1h
#BREAKING
: There is possibility of involvement of
#Russia
|n Air Force's Tu-160s and Tu-95MS Strategic Bombers in any possible military operation of
#Russia
against
#Israel
in response to the shoot-down of
#Russia
|n Air Force's Il-20M last night.

Nothing will happen.

If Israel continue targeting Russia ,it will leave no choice for Russia military to use Strong Force against Israel..
So you are naive.. The same thing was said about Syria.. that it will "not do anything to Israel" if attacked , for fear bla bla bla.. But what happened? Israel got a plane shot down..but not reported was that Syria military forces bombed Israel positions inside Southern Lebanon and in Golan Heights and got forward positions with important spy installations destroyed, with israelis soldiers likely killed inside. Syria is targeting Israel airforce for real...so for a game.. after than incident , Israel did not attacked Syria again for a full month.. they had to change their tactics.. and if Syria can fight for real . then Russia can do it too.. but with much better weapons..  The RUles of engagement of Russia vs Israel can change.. and im sure it will do after this..  Your skepticism is all based in not knowing all the times, Russia military did something.. and fought back.. at NATO and Israel.. both of them had many casualties inside Syria..  some fights are never reported and never made it ,into the media..

If you believe Russia will be forever observing their military to die.. then im sorry for you. allowing the military to continue dying ,and not defending them ,threatens the loyalty of the military to their President.. and could get Putin removed by their own military if dont do anything.. so you are very naive..
Take a look what happens when Russia is forced to retaliate with Force..

http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news/world-news/2363-200-american-troops-killed-in-syria-along-with-1800-more-pmc-shttp:

https://sputniknews.com/military/201804121063460158-british-forces-syria-ghouta/


Notice the Sputnik link.. Russia Government media and hal radio ,asmadar news reported this . how Russia wiped NATO and ISraeli soldiers in Damascus , aiding the terrorist in eastern Ghouta.. .. both news are connected.. this news were reported after Syria liberated eatern ghouta..  and i reported it a week earlier.. because one radio show , was reporting that chinesse military newspaper ,was claiming that many American ,British and Israeli special forces were killed in eastern Ghouta.. when was liberated.. and also told british special forces captured too ,who tried to escape the offensive in eastern ghouta.. and coincidence sputnik later hinted this?  There are many battles not reported  between NATO ,Israel against Russia.. retaliations for this or that.. this have been happening in Syria for a long time.  


Now we have the Minister of defense of Russia claiming British Special forces arrived to Idlib ,helping coordinate with the terrorist the false flag incident.. So it should be no surprise that all this buffer zones in Syria ,that NATO
protects.. they have military inside , special forces training terrorist..

Isos wrote:
It isn't surprising at all actually. Israel have attacked an unarmed US ship for hours during similar operation some 30 years ago.

If you mean the USS Liberty, that was over 50 years ago.

The news I read was the Il-20 was shot down by the SAA AD in the middle of an Israeli air raid. The SAA says they were trying to shoot down incoming missiles but I don't see how you mistake an Il-20 for one of those.

starman wrote:

Isos wrote:
It isn't surprising at all actually. Israel have attacked an unarmed US ship for hours during similar operation some 30 years ago.

If you mean the USS Liberty, that was over 50 years ago.

Their mentality is the same since 3000 years ago. I doubt it will change in 50 years.

Vladimir79 wrote:The news I read was the Il-20 was shot down by the SAA AD in the middle of an Israeli air raid.  The SAA says they were trying to shoot down incoming missiles but I don't see how you mistake an Il-20 for one of those.  

If tge missile was fired at israeli f-16 wich went to hide behind the plane before the missile intercepted him it is possible. IFF is used before the engagement so they questioned the f-16 which couldn't answer as an ally so they launched the missile. Syrian radar operator was trying to follow him but the radar acquired the biger plane once the f-16 was near him.

Vladimir79 wrote:The news I read was the Il-20 was shot down by the SAA AD in the middle of an Israeli air raid.  The SAA says they were trying to shoot down incoming missiles but I don't see how you mistake an Il-20 for one of those.  

If Israel or NATO shut down the plane.. Putin will not report about it.. to have the option ,for an organized strong and measured response if it was intentional or to solve the differences through diplomacy if it was an accident ..
So anything is possible..

Vann7 wrote:

If Israel or NATO shut down the plane.. Putin will not report about it.. to have the option ,for an organized strong and measured response if it was intentional or to solve the differences through diplomacy if it was an accident ..
So anything is possible..

Scratch what I said, it was an American source. According to Russian sources it was the French frigate Auvergne.

https://russian.rt.com/world/news/555278-il-20-poiski-sredizemnoe-more

Vladimir79 wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

If Israel or NATO shut down the plane.. Putin will not report about it.. to have the option ,for an organized strong and measured response if it was intentional or to solve the differences through diplomacy if it was an accident ..
So anything is possible..

Scratch what I said, it was an American source.  According to Russian sources it was the French frigate Auvergne.

https://russian.rt.com/world/news/555278-il-20-poiski-sredizemnoe-more

You are late. That info was given too fast and they only said a french frigate fired a missile. They didn't say it destroyed the plane.


Anyway putin won't do anything. He doesn't even blame Israel.

https://sputniknews.com/world/201809181068134163-putin-russia-il-20-syria/

Funny. MoD of Russia has more balls than the spineless bitch that Putin is.

miketheterrible wrote:Funny. MoD of Russia has more balls than the spineless bitch that Putin is.

They are kinda crazy. Have you seen the video of the commander of the national guard that call the guy from opposition to fight ? He is scary as fuck. Here is the video

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2018/sep/11/nice-juicy-steak-putin-ally-viktor-zolotov-alexei-navalny-video

Navalny isn't opposition. Opposition requires more than 2% lol

Anyway

https://twitter.com/RussiaInsider/status/1042055162418741248?s=19

miketheterrible wrote:Navalny isn't opposition. Opposition requires more than 2% lol

Anyway

https://twitter.com/RussiaInsider/status/1042055162418741248?s=19

The thing that he didn't understood is that if he bombs israel most of world popularion will love him for ever and he could even be promoted president of Iran by Ayatollahs. I don't thinheget that most of people on the world hate them. Economicaly it would destroy those pathetic sanctions against them and they would get eicher and richer everyday.

Latest post on Martyanov's blog:

INTERMITTENT SUMMARY:  So it is clear mow that IAF used the oldest trick in the book by shielding her aircraft by IL-20 which was descending for landing--so very Israeli--and then, of course, lied that it warned Russian side. Yes...one minute prior. I will return to Israel later, for now it is known that Bibi wants to speak with Putin and that Israel is engaged with Russia across a whole spectrum of diplomatic, military, what have you, activity trying to prevent what might be coming.

Having said all that. The part of the blame rests with Syrian AD and specifically with those operators who launched S-200. There is very little doubt that IL-20s IFF (Interrogation Friend-Foe) system was on and that would have necessitate a much more stringent ROE. It didn't work. So, Russian AD specialists may want to introduce additional rules (or caveats) for the whole complex in Syria. After this event it will be easier to control Syrian part. Russian side also bears responsibility. Now back to Israel.

The most important part in all that is that unlike previous statements from General Rudskoi, Defense Minister Shoigu's statement today carries much more weight and Shoigu directly made Israel responsible for the situation. So, what's in store now? For starters, I think, a lot depends on what Bibi will be willing to give Russia. If not much, the game changes and, indeed, all kinds of scenarios, from No-fly Zone to Syria getting S-300, or simply additional Russian-operated S-300 and S-400 appearing in Syria, to who knows what else. Israel is not in a very good situation right now and the only thing they may do is to place the blame on someone else (i.e. Syria). It is a sad day for Russia and, of course, I can only imagine what kind of agony relatives of IL-20 crew are going through right now but highly sensitive personal aspect of this unnecessary tragedy should not obscure a very obvious fact of Israel's treachery (what's new?) and the price it will pay one way or another. What price is it going to be? We'll see in time.

UPDATE: Putin's quote:
Russia will investigate the incident, Putin said, adding that Moscow will boost security of Russian troops in Syria following the incident. He said that these will be “the steps that everyone will notice.”

I have a bad hunch about it. Practically the entire Turkey army is getting deployed to frontlines with SAA. It's possible Turkey is playing Putin like a fool. When the time comes, Turkey army and FSA might do joint offensive to take Damascus. What would Putin's reaction be?

https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/9gvalz/turkish_fm_%C3%A7avu%C5%9Fo%C4%9Flu_we_must_send_reinforcement/

miketheterrible wrote:Navalny isn't opposition. Opposition requires more than 2% lol

Anyway

https://twitter.com/RussiaInsider/status/1042055162418741248?s=19

Russia Insider used to be very pro-Putin just a few years ago. Lately they have turned a lot more critical towards him.