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If not terminators, give them to LDPR instead of t-62s.
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T-90 Main Battle Tank #2
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The units getting upgraded T-62s are getting them because they don't need anything better.
It make more sense to give the units that need better the better model tanks.
It make more sense to give the units that need better the better model tanks.
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Right, but seems like no one is getting the original 90s.
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The original 90s?
Only about 20 or so were ever even produced
Only about 20 or so were ever even produced
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Oh i thought more had been produced.
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My bad actually, I looked it up and the initial production batch was of 13 tanks, but 120 tanks would go on to be produced before the T-90A design would eventually take over.
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The original T-90 was only ever made in limited numbers because the only remaining plant with the capability to make the cast turrets was in Ukrainian held Donbass and the Ukrainians were more interested in selling anything that isn't bolted down than work with the hated Russians for a profit.
However it was a blessing in disguise since the welded turrets have better ballistic protection anyway and their regular shaping allows for more convenient armor placement and turret integration of external devices.
However it was a blessing in disguise since the welded turrets have better ballistic protection anyway and their regular shaping allows for more convenient armor placement and turret integration of external devices.
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20 or so original T-90 based terminators would be useful.
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The T-90M production line must have really taken off if they are handing over tanks to Wagner.
Everywhere I look there's lots of T-90M. Give it some time and we'd probably be seeing T-14s in huge numbers as well.
Everywhere I look there's lots of T-90M. Give it some time and we'd probably be seeing T-14s in huge numbers as well.
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Putin's cartoons.
Cartoons everywhere!
Cartoons everywhere!
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ALAMO Today at 2:41 pm
Putin's cartoons.
Cartoons everywhere!
Greetings bro...
Yes, there are geniuses here on the forum who wrote that "Russia cannot produce more than 50 T-14 tanks in one year".
The influence of the Western media is a miracle, as can be seen from some members of the forum.
And while Russia has a FUNCTIONAL tank manufacturer, that is Uralvagonzavod, some members of the forum still write nonsense. I guess their media conveys such an image to them because there is no or poorly developed production of tanks in their countries.
Putin's cartoons.
Cartoons everywhere!
Greetings bro...
Yes, there are geniuses here on the forum who wrote that "Russia cannot produce more than 50 T-14 tanks in one year".
The influence of the Western media is a miracle, as can be seen from some members of the forum.
And while Russia has a FUNCTIONAL tank manufacturer, that is Uralvagonzavod, some members of the forum still write nonsense. I guess their media conveys such an image to them because there is no or poorly developed production of tanks in their countries.
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T 90: In the negative points, the interviewed Wagner puts the weight as a negative point... I can only imagine the much heavier NATO tanks in this terrain. As for the cannon... destroying the building is not their function, but artillery's...
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More important, he was describing new ammo including the preprogrammed antipersonnel round similar (same?) to the Ainet that detonates above the ground at set distance.
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Weight will always be a huge negative. Heavier it becomes, harder it will be to control and be able to navigate around the terrain especially on muddy paths.
Hence why western tanks would be borderline useless in most parts of the world that isn't a desert.
Hence why western tanks would be borderline useless in most parts of the world that isn't a desert.
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Still useful if you can move into cities and shot directly at enemy positions.As for the cannon... destroying the building is not their function, but artillery's...
Maybe there will be an assault gun version in a few years. 152mm gun with a shorter barrel.
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Wagner pays better than russian army thus best russian soldiers are in wagner. Giving them t-90M is the right choice since they will make better use of it in their operation. Standard army is sticking with defencive position and we saw how they lost lines of tanks to artillery because they weren't trained.
It's not because they have hundreds of them.
It's not because they have hundreds of them.
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Russkie use regular HE rounds for their tank guns.
The support role is written into their philosophy from the beginning.
The support role is written into their philosophy from the beginning.
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Mercenaries all over get paid more than standard military guys. At that, to get the good wages in Wagner or any PMC, you need to have plenty of experience hence they tend to be older average than standard soldier.
That said, Russian army pays very well, one of the highest in a government agency. Even better than a lot of private. That said where you will make money in it is contract soldiers hence why soldiers who were good and want to stay on also sign contracts. I would wager those contract soldiers get paid around as much or better than Wagner.
I'm curious what Wagner will do with that new HQ of theirs? I would like to see Wagner also get involved in MIC (open their own production lines and compete for government contracts).
That said, Russian army pays very well, one of the highest in a government agency. Even better than a lot of private. That said where you will make money in it is contract soldiers hence why soldiers who were good and want to stay on also sign contracts. I would wager those contract soldiers get paid around as much or better than Wagner.
I'm curious what Wagner will do with that new HQ of theirs? I would like to see Wagner also get involved in MIC (open their own production lines and compete for government contracts).
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Mercenaries are much more motivated and much more cautious since they don't have the support from the gov. They are better soldiers.
Wagner did all the job in Syria and now iq doing much of the offensives in Ukraine. They are way better than russian army soldiers. That's why they get the best tanks. Much more useful with wagner than wit russian army.
Wagner did all the job in Syria and now iq doing much of the offensives in Ukraine. They are way better than russian army soldiers. That's why they get the best tanks. Much more useful with wagner than wit russian army.
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That isn't true at all. While Wagner is doing wonderous job, it was actually the VDV and Russian naval infantry that did a lot of the heavy work. At first Wagner was used as scouts and that also worked well. It was only recent they are going full assault units too.
In Syria, majority if the fighting and gaining was Russian spec op units. Wagner acted as support too.
I am thinking you didn't pay enough attention to the events.
In Syria, majority if the fighting and gaining was Russian spec op units. Wagner acted as support too.
I am thinking you didn't pay enough attention to the events.
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VDV lost a shitton of its vehicles in Kiev. They are not even trained for tanks.
Wagner is composed military trained personnel.
And I never said russian army isn't fighting in Ukraine. I said most of the ongoing offensive are done by wagner. So that's normal for them to get t-90M which are better for supporting them than t-72 without thermals from the reserve.
Russian army holding defensive positions can hold them with dug in t-72 and t-80 easily. No need for t-90M.
Wagner is composed military trained personnel.
And I never said russian army isn't fighting in Ukraine. I said most of the ongoing offensive are done by wagner. So that's normal for them to get t-90M which are better for supporting them than t-72 without thermals from the reserve.
Russian army holding defensive positions can hold them with dug in t-72 and t-80 easily. No need for t-90M.
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Are you believing western propaganda?
Ukraine had BMDs too you know...
In Afghanistan the VDV used BMP-2s because they were not being air landed so they often use standard Soviet Army equipment when it is suitable... there is no reason why they wouldn't operate T-90s instead of Sprut, though in terms of mobility I would think Sprut would have an advantage including its amphibious capacity...
Ukraine had BMDs too you know...
In Afghanistan the VDV used BMP-2s because they were not being air landed so they often use standard Soviet Army equipment when it is suitable... there is no reason why they wouldn't operate T-90s instead of Sprut, though in terms of mobility I would think Sprut would have an advantage including its amphibious capacity...
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Its not really about skills.
The Russian Army proper simply has complete access to the complicated logistics necessary to enable the deployment of the vehicles on the field that Wagner as a PMC does not.
They can also provide all the necessary combat support that makes the vehicle so much more effective than a tank ever could be.
And that is key; armor is useless on its own, but as part of a combined arms force where its weaknesses can be held in check by other combat arms and its strengths amplified by the same it can be used effectively on the modern battlefield despite increasing lethality of anti-armor threats.
The Russian Army proper simply has complete access to the complicated logistics necessary to enable the deployment of the vehicles on the field that Wagner as a PMC does not.
They can also provide all the necessary combat support that makes the vehicle so much more effective than a tank ever could be.
And that is key; armor is useless on its own, but as part of a combined arms force where its weaknesses can be held in check by other combat arms and its strengths amplified by the same it can be used effectively on the modern battlefield despite increasing lethality of anti-armor threats.
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