Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #3

Militarov wrote:



"Another Russian drone shot down (emm...where is the damage O.o), this time by rebels in Qarassi S. Aleppo Syria"


Source: https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/655749399725797376

Werewolf wrote:So like i have expected it went out of fuel and parachuted.

ultron wrote:There are reports of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey buying MANPADS from Russia hating Eastern European countries like Ukraine and Croatia to send to terrorists in Syria.

https://twitter.com/Net_News_Global/status/655831640837660672

ultron wrote:There are reports of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey buying MANPADS from Russia hating Eastern European countries like Ukraine and Croatia to send to terrorists in Syria.

https://twitter.com/Net_News_Global/status/655831640837660672

KoTeMoRe wrote:

ultron wrote:There are reports of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey buying MANPADS from Russia hating Eastern European countries like Ukraine and Croatia to send to terrorists in Syria.

https://twitter.com/Net_News_Global/status/655831640837660672

Ukraine i can understand but Croatia has reduced its stock to barefoot level. Less than 1500 Strela2M's. While I was very disappointed they sold surplus ammo and weapons to Saudi Arabia, this time they can't say they were duped.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

ultron wrote:There are reports of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey buying MANPADS from Russia hating Eastern European countries like Ukraine and Croatia to send to terrorists in Syria.

https://twitter.com/Net_News_Global/status/655831640837660672

Ukraine i can understand but Croatia has reduced its stock to barefoot level. Less than 1500 Strela2M's. While I was very disappointed they sold surplus ammo and weapons to Saudi Arabia, this time they can't say they were duped.

Well the newly elected president of Croatia, grabcrotchass or whatever her name is, is the biggest prostitute for NATO that's ever been elected, so this is not a surprise to me.

magnumcromagnon wrote:Well the newly elected president of Croatia, grabcrotchass or whatever her name is, is the biggest prostitute for NATO that's ever been elected, so this is not a surprise to me.

KoTeMoRe wrote:There are reports of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey buying MANPADS from Russia hating Eastern European countries like Ukraine and Croatia to send to terrorists in Syria.

Neutrality wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:There are reports of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey buying MANPADS from Russia hating Eastern European countries like Ukraine and Croatia to send to terrorists in Syria.

How are they going to deliver them? The only way I see is through the Turkish border. Delivering these things is a recipe for disaster. There are several factions fighting eachother in Syria. So let's assume these MANPADs do get through to the FSA. Are the Turks really this dumb to not consider for a moment all sorts of backdoor deals? I'm thinking about a scenarion in which some MANPADs get into Kurdish hands and we start seeing F-16s falling out of the sky.

Neutrality wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:There are reports of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey buying MANPADS from Russia hating Eastern European countries like Ukraine and Croatia to send to terrorists in Syria.

How are they going to deliver them? The only way I see is through the Turkish border. Delivering these things is a recipe for disaster. There are several factions fighting eachother in Syria. So let's assume these MANPADs do get through to the FSA. Are the Turks really this dumb to not consider for a moment all sorts of backdoor deals? I'm thinking about a scenarion in which some MANPADs get into Kurdish hands and we start seeing F-16s falling out of the sky.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Jordan, Turkey, Israeli occupied Golan. Kurds don't need backdoor deals, PKK guys are eager to blow anything with a turkish flag and roundel out of the sky, so yeah Russian supplies against "ISIS" without a problem.

Neutrality wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Jordan, Turkey, Israeli occupied Golan. Kurds don't need backdoor deals, PKK guys are eager to blow anything with a turkish flag and roundel out of the sky, so yeah Russian supplies against "ISIS" without a problem.

Israel, seriously? First of all, they are closely coordinating with the Russians. I think the most important question, to any party considering delivering MANPADs, is how the Russians will retaliate if they find who the source is.

max steel wrote:ISIS Fighters Cut Off Beards And Run Away As Russia, Iran Close In

Neutrality wrote:

Militarov wrote:"Britain should join airstrikes in Syria and not be "diverted" by the "worrying" risk of a clash with Russian forces, the Defence Secretary has said. Michael Fallon said there was an "inescapable logic" to extending UK military action across the border from Iraq in its fight against Islamic State (IS). He also accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of "prolonging" the bloodshed in Syria by supporting President Bashar Assad's regime. Asked about the risk of a collision or accidental clash with Mr Putin's forces, he told the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: "I am worried. "When you have this activity you have on the Turkish border, which is a NATO border ... you have seen incursions into Turkish airspace." But he added: "I don't think we should let Russia divert us for a moment from our focus against Isil (IS). "Don't let us forget that Isil beheaded British hostages, they were behind the slaughter of 30 British holidaymakers on a beach in Tunisia." Mr Fallon reiterated the Government's commitment to holding a fresh Commons vote on Syria bombing raids, saying: "Isil (IS) is run from northeast Syria where Assad has not been in control for a couple of years."



Source: http://news.sky.com/story/1571655/fallon-uk-must-strike-syria-despite-russia-fears

I don't know why but after reading that I am pissed off. Our spineless and gutless politicians would rather stand on the sidelines and insult the other guy who's doing the dirty work while also accusing him of all sorts of bullshit (i.e. Russia). If this fucking coward had determination his country would've joined the fight against ISIS a long time ago.

"He also accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of "prolonging" the bloodshed in Syria by supporting President Bashar Assad's regime". Honestly, what the F U C K is that supposed to mean? Perhaps I should interpret this as Great Britain shedding tears over dead terrorists?

KoTeMoRe wrote:

ultron wrote:There are reports of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey buying MANPADS from Russia hating Eastern European countries like Ukraine and Croatia to send to terrorists in Syria.

https://twitter.com/Net_News_Global/status/655831640837660672

Ukraine i can understand but Croatia has reduced its stock to barefoot level. Less than 1500 Strela2M's. While I was very disappointed they sold surplus ammo and weapons to Saudi Arabia, this time they can't say they were duped.

Neutrality wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:There are reports of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey buying MANPADS from Russia hating Eastern European countries like Ukraine and Croatia to send to terrorists in Syria.

How are they going to deliver them? The only way I see is through the Turkish border. Delivering these things is a recipe for disaster. There are several factions fighting eachother in Syria. So let's assume these MANPADs do get through to the FSA. Are the Turks really this dumb to not consider for a moment all sorts of backdoor deals? I'm thinking about a scenarion in which some MANPADs get into Kurdish hands and we start seeing F-16s falling out of the sky.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Jordan, Turkey, Israeli occupied Golan. Kurds don't need backdoor deals, PKK guys are eager to blow anything with a turkish flag and roundel out of the sky, so yeah Russian supplies against "ISIS" without a problem.

Israel, seriously? First of all, they are closely coordinating with the Russians. I think the most important question, to any party considering delivering MANPADs, is how the Russians will retaliate if they find who the source is.

Israel was supporting them, until Russia offered a better deal to Israel. Basically Russia gave Israel an "offer you couldn't refuse", a 2-pronged 'hard-power'/'soft-power' deal. Hard power: Russia basically gave Israel a strong guarantee that they'll use their power and influence to keep the very formidable Hezbollah party's military wing (defeated the IDF on 2 different occasions on the battlefield) from reaching Israel's borders....and Soft Power: Russia has offered to help develop pipelines from Israel's mega-gas field 'Leviathan' and to ship it to Southern European markets.

max steel wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Neutrality wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Jordan, Turkey, Israeli occupied Golan. Kurds don't need backdoor deals, PKK guys are eager to blow anything with a turkish flag and roundel out of the sky, so yeah Russian supplies against "ISIS" without a problem.

Israel, seriously? First of all, they are closely coordinating with the Russians. I think the most important question, to any party considering delivering MANPADs, is how the Russians will retaliate if they find who the source is.

Israel was supporting them, until Russia offered a better deal to Israel. Basically Russia gave Israel an "offer you couldn't refuse", a 2-pronged 'hard-power'/'soft-power' deal. Hard power: Russia basically gave Israel a strong guarantee that they'll use their power and influence to keep the very formidable Hezbollah party's military wing (defeated the IDF on 2 different occasions on the battlefield) from reaching Israel's borders....and Soft Power: Russia has offered to help develop pipelines from Israel's mega-gas field 'Leviathan' and to ship it to Southern European markets.

any evidence on Leviathan shipment to european markets commitment ? How will they cross it if Syria is against it .