Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

Vann7 wrote:The distance from Kuweireis captured airbase and Turkey border from the aleppo district
is on my estimates using the map provided earlier.. is between 90km to 130km.
The ideal defenses for such a place like kuweires base ,so far from Russia base in latakia ,should be highly mobile air defenses like Buks ,Pantsirs and tors.. that can operate in passive mode without using its own radars but receiving the radar information from farther land radars away of NATO airforce combat range. to not allow NATO to know their location. and if possible using track version of them for rough  terrain.  something like this for example..




But to really create a dome of air protection , having Russia best defenses like S-400s active allowing its missiles signature to be spied for future jamming is not the most ideal way.. allowing NATO to practice and train with them. That will only encourage more NATO nations to travel to Turkey to practice how to detect and jam S-400s.. Even though S-400s should be there but NOT active so NATO can start learning or understanding them..but instead only used in case a major war start. So the ideal airdefenses for not full scale war against Russia are Mobile defenses that can operate in passive
mode ,just using the radar information shared from Russian AWACS and or land radars deployed
in Syria deployed . This means that Radars should be active beyond combat range of enemy
planes..that is 200km+ and in combat range of NATO planes -air to ground missiles the Mobile Pantsirs,Tors and Buks do the job. become like mobile anti air mines ,that will be ready to shutdown any NATO plane entering Syria and without the enemy knowing where the air defenses are deployed.  Timing and distance is critical to a hostile plane.. because they could retreat to Turkey border and if shutdown the plane will fall inside turkey side and NATO could use that for propganda that Russia have commited an agression on a member state. So this is why short range -mobiles air defenses like Pantsirs ,Tors is the way to go to fight any
hostile planes.. and Buks with 50km to 70km range only if hostile planes are far from turkey border ,deep inside Syria. So that if the plane is shutdown they will be unable to claim agression if can be proved it invaded Syria and shut down inside Syria.and S-300 and s-400 only used if a major war start between NATO and Russia or Syria.

Ideally Syrian army with Russia airforce help ,should try to campture the north of Allepo first,
and get as close to turkey border.. like the take of ALbab city first.. taking that city will allow
the Syrian army and Russia airforce to virtually  seal the border of Turkey supplies to ISIS through their artillery. and hellicopters but also combat jets .  Once the turkey border is sealed
the terrorist will collapse in a month or two for food alone and lack of ammo and fuel. it will be a disaster for the whole terrorist operation and transportation and operations.

A couple dozen of Pantisirs ,about ~20 ,mounted in GM-352 chassis like the picture above and moved as close to Turkey border as possible should be the ideal way to complicate any no fly zone attempt of NATO. you cannot jam a gatlin gun and those small missiles will not be easily
seen by NATO airforces until is too late and hit their planes.

Detailing Russian Forces in Syria
Igor Sutyagin
RUSI Defence Systems, 13 November 2015
Russia, Syria, International Security Studies

George1 wrote:T-90A and Russian Airborne Troops near Latakia in Syria

ult wrote:Estimates of the Russian forces in Syria.

https://rusi.org/publication/rusi-defence-systems/detailing-russian-forces-syria

Detailing Russian Forces in Syria
Igor Sutyagin
RUSI Defence Systems, 13 November 2015
Russia, Syria, International Security Studies

flamming_python wrote:

George1 wrote:T-90A and Russian Airborne Troops near Latakia in Syria

Those are Marines not VDV. Albeit the singers are VDV veterans; it's a VDV-veterans band.

Vann7 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

George1 wrote:T-90A and Russian Airborne Troops near Latakia in Syria

Those are Marines not VDV. Albeit the singers are VDV veterans; it's a VDV-veterans band.

Hey flamming by the way..  Since your are Russian living in Russia right?

Whats the mood and general opinion of the non government media and Russian citizens about the Russian campaign in Syria?  

JohninMK wrote:Pointed out by Fortrus is this strange comment by the MoD today.


The Russian Ministry of Defense gave its regular sitrep on Friday 13th (ooo scary). What was said was of the usual informative nature, with one thing in particular being of intrigue and interest. The MoD said:

“After necessary training volunteers are involved in protecting inhabited areas from terrorists,guarding important objects & mainroads. Assistance by the population allows regular units to form reserve forces for future offense on terrorist-held areas”

Now the MoD did not specify what they meant by ‘volunteers’, which leaves open the possibility of them being Syrian and/or Russian. We can all agree that the Caspian Launches were a clear message to NATO and the Pentagon, and the ‘accidental’ blueprint leak of a new nuclear submarine/torpedo combo was also a message. So the question is: Why would the MoD run the story of the ‘volunteers’? Are they Russian spec ops disguised as regular civilians? We know that there are Russian elite forces on the ground, with various news agencies even taking the time to mute footage with Russian being spoken. Most of what the MoD states is in the interest of Russia, so why would some civilians-come-cops make it onto the conference talking points? One can only speculate…

http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/russian-ministry-of-defense-volunteers.html

flamming_python wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Pointed out by Fortrus is this strange comment by the MoD today.


The Russian Ministry of Defense gave its regular sitrep on Friday 13th (ooo scary). What was said was of the usual informative nature, with one thing in particular being of intrigue and interest. The MoD said:

“After necessary training volunteers are involved in protecting inhabited areas from terrorists,guarding important objects & mainroads. Assistance by the population allows regular units to form reserve forces for future offense on terrorist-held areas”

Now the MoD did not specify what they meant by ‘volunteers’, which leaves open the possibility of them being Syrian and/or Russian. We can all agree that the Caspian Launches were a clear message to NATO and the Pentagon, and the ‘accidental’ blueprint leak of a new nuclear submarine/torpedo combo was also a message. So the question is: Why would the MoD run the story of the ‘volunteers’? Are they Russian spec ops disguised as regular civilians? We know that there are Russian elite forces on the ground, with various news agencies even taking the time to mute footage with Russian being spoken. Most of what the MoD states is in the interest of Russia, so why would some civilians-come-cops make it onto the conference talking points? One can only speculate…

http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/russian-ministry-of-defense-volunteers.html

Given the context, especially when 'assistance by the population' (ostensibly local population) is mentioned right in the next sentence, I think it's reasonable to conclude that the MoD is refering to volunteers from among local civilians - there's no need to look for a deeper message.

medo wrote:

RuAF use white phosphorous bomb to destroy ammunition storage, secondary explosions of ammunition could be seen.

Cyberspec wrote:
Apparently it could be special 'magnesium' rounds fired by Grad

Cyberspec wrote:Fort Rus and Russia Insider lean towards sensantionalism in military related topics/articles....draws the readership I guess

medo wrote:

RuAF use white phosphorous bomb to destroy ammunition storage, secondary explosions of ammunition could be seen.

Apparently it could be special 'magnesium' rounds fired by Grad

Bidoul wrote:
IIRC there is something some cluster thermite agents for anti-vehicles/ammo-dump/artillery positions in Russian inventory, not sure if it exists by air but it does in rocket artillery.

It's not incendiary or white phosphorus (not sure if WARPACT ever used WP in anything, soviet incendiary designs was/are magnesium-based instead), it's meant to chew through metal, not be anti-personal, any fire set is a by-product more than the initial intent.

Obviously a rain of stuff several time hotter than molten lava ain't good for any infantry under it, but it's meant to be used against a concentration of light armored vehicles/structures.

JohninMK wrote:It has been commented that sometimes Fortrus is a bit, how shall we say, 'enthusiastic. Take this statement today, read carefully what was said by Sergey Ivanov, who's words matter:

   "At the initiative of the United States of America and the Russian Federation, a study has been conducted on the sources of ISIS’ financing . It would be nice if such a study was not the final point of collaboration, but was, on the contrary, the impetus for further and practical actions to identify particular States, individuals and legal entities engaged in the financing of ISIL.”

Decide what it means and then read how they interpret it at http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/putin-to-pursue-sponsors-of-terrorism.html

JohninMK wrote:It has been commented that sometimes Fortrus is a bit, how shall we say, 'enthusiastic.

Yves de Kerdrel : How do you react to the terrorist attacks that have struck France tonight?
Bachar el-Assad: What has happened is terrible. France will not be able to fight against terrorism as long as it is allied with Qatar, or with Saudi Arabia.
Yves de Kerdrel : The question of your departure, demanded by certain ones, is it still relevant?
Bachar el-Assad: The question of my departure is not posed except in international conferences. The question of my departure depends uniquely on the will of the people and parliament of Syria. Those who want to destroy Syria want most of all to destroy the last secular state in the region. Secular is our identity. It is essential for the Near East.
Yves de Kerdrel : Turkey plays a troubled role in the war which you are conducting against terrorism.
Bachar el-Assad: It's mostly the West that is blind to what's going on in Turkey. The Turks support Al-Nusra and Daesh, and they are sending you migrants by the million. You might rather ask after Erdogan's ulterior motives. When I look at the state of the world I understand that Vladimir Putin is the only defender of Christian civilization one can count on.