Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #4

Werewolf wrote:

ult wrote:Did you notice just now that France and USA have been flying over Syria for more than a year? Did they hit SAA? Then why would they start doing it right now of all times, when public opinion couldn't care less if Assad stays in power, as long as ISIS is destroyed? France doesn't have balls to strike SAA troops because they know that there are Russian advisers on the ground, on the frontlines. Everything has changed. And everyone know it. Looks like you guys are slow to react.

The american'ts have claimed to have been operating F-22 in strikes against terrorists, never happened just a PR. They were doing nothing but flying in perimeters and not entering SAA territory which has russian SHORAD systems. They did nothing but strike outskirts of SAA positions to make path for their ISIS mercenaries. ISIS grew under US air strike now ask yourself how is that possible? This question can only have one single answer and everyone or almost everyone here denies it but has no explanation or answer to give.

SEE my posts 2 pages back regarding Pentagon released document in 2012.


Kremlin does not comment on reports of missile strikes at Islamic State from subs

max steel wrote:
Kremlin does not comment on reports of missile strikes at Islamic State from subs

Because there were none. Peskov literally said that "If i recon correctly the Ministry of Defense said nothing about launching missiles from the subs" and "You should ask them about it."

sepheronx wrote:WTF. So Putin is pushing for cooperation woth France for France to illegaly bomb Syria without permission, and is exactly what Putin condemned months ago? What will Russia do then if France uses its position to Bomb assad and his forces? Will this be another Russian blunder like Libya?

Again Seph you are understimating Putin in politics..  he might not be that good in how he
invest Russian budget and project Russia image.. but in politics he is a master. Look at Minsk-2
where France and Germany split with US policies and joined Russia. France will not attack Russia and something new had to happen for Russia to have a that approach to france..

Kerry is just announcing today that with Turkey they will start a major operation
"to close" the  northern Syrian border to "Stop ISIS".  And Russia is now by "coincidence"
using nuclear capable bombers with nuclear capable cruise missiles that are very expensive.

So RUssia is sending a message to US and Turkey that Russia is ready for a war against them
including using nuclear weapons . if that is what it takes to stop their plans to destroy and disband Syria and if they continue pushing with their illegal war.

My only dissapointment here is were are the so called "BRICS" alliance? Where is CHINA?
WHere is INDIA? where are the CIS countries? Russia have been calling for a coalition to
really stop ISIS and save Syria and no one have come to help them. SHows without a doubt
that Russia cannot count with anyone from BRICS or Former Soviets republics either in case
Russia face a war.. is an irony in all this that the only nations that have come to help Russia
in Ukraine to stop US increase of the war there. ,were precisely NATO Countries that is Germany and France.  Now Germany support albeit politically Russia actions in Syria and the only one left
to voice openly that support is France.  It highly likely that Russia is only flirting with France
to join its coalition. So just sit down and relax.. Putin did not betrayed Novorosiya and Putin did not betrayed Syria.. It will not happen..  if any Russia using now its best nuclear bombers is a sign of the support he have for Syria will go to the end. This is specially true after the shutdown
of the Russian civilian plane that could have only been done with the help of the nations that more hates Russia and trying to overthrow Assad.

Again we are closer than ever to a world war 3.. and with nuclear weapons used. Because US ,Turkey,Saudi and ISrael are only increasing its hostilities commitment against Syria and now saying very soon will start using its army to "close the border" to effectively annex territories
from Syria and blockade Russia from bombing them.

ultron wrote:

ExBeobachter1987 wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Putin needs to tread carefully. Not long ago he stated they were bombing Syria illegally. Why now allow the French Navy to join Russia battle group? I dont like it.

Putin cares more about making up with  Western "partners" than the international law.

Good point. I mean Russia armed rebels in Donbas without breaking diplomatic relation with Ukraine. That of course, by Russia's standard, breaks international law since Ukraine is a sovereign member of the UN. Had Russia broke diplomatic relation with Ukraine first, then it would have been legal to arm rebels in Donbas.

You cannot break international laws.. when there is no legal government in power in Ukraine.
and the one in power got there illegally. and even if Russia was breaking them it was to save civilians and for national security. Russia is doing the right thing,the correct thing ,the moral
thing.. and if breaking international laws is required to avoid a major war and major violence
then is perfectly valid. US is trying to create wars.. and Russia is trying to prevent them.

Monarchist wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Well, I am sticking by my statements that:
1)France is not to be trusted and
2)Putin cannot use the term "respecting international law" without looking like a hypocrit for helping France break it.  Those terrorists that attacked France were the fault of France and that still does not justify their place in Syria. Assad invited Russia and I fell it looks like Russia is going to over extend its rights on that invitation.  And if France does do what most western countries tend to do, and go against their own words and agreements and attacks Assad, then Russia may lose its rights in Syria and the bases as it wont be a trusted country anymore.

What have I posted one million times.
Pleasing the "partners" in the west is the most important thing in russian foreign policy. Their children live there, the money is there etc.

So you think Russia spend billions in Syria in military hardware that they use or that they need
to support to Syria and risk their soldiers killed just to please their NATO Friends?>

You simply don't understand Russian politics or what they are doing. sound like the people who were claiming Putin "betrayed Novorosiya" when it began to demand cease of fire.
Putin is not interested in holding anyone in Power in Syria..neither of Assad to be killed or the Syrian army defeated. The fact that Russia is opposing a NATO war in Syria and sending its
soldiers and airforce there should be more than enough to PROOF that Russia is anything but
pleasing their NATO friends.     If don't believe Putin actions , then look how mad
are Pentagon generals and US senators for Russia actions in Syria. Russia is using its military
but also playing diplomatic games too.. So ignore the words Putin say and look at the actions
instead. The same is true for NATO powers. actions speak louder than words.
actions say Russia is helping the Syrian Government and Syrian army to retake their lands and will not allow terrorist to take control of Syria thats all you need to know.

Rumors is that Hollande wanted to use Art. 5 from NATO and asked for military aid.

The plan is clearly no more hypothetical stuff, ISIS must go even if we have to send soldiers, 100% alignment with Russia and Iran, reform of Assad's Syria can fucking wait.

To this Obama said the US won't provide any support but intelligence, most of the EU is saying the same thing. Obama didn't even showed for the silent minute at the G20 summit.

Hollande is to meet with Putin. Meanwhile Putin in his briefing said he expected full cooperation for joint ops with French Carrier group.

Look likes somebody is waking up with the hangover of the century...

Bidoul wrote:Rumors is that Hollande wanted to use Art. 5 from NATO and asked for military aid.

The plan is clearly no more hypothetical stuff, ISIS must go even if we have to send soldiers, 100% alignment with Russia and Iran, reform of Assad's Syria can fucking wait.

To this Obama said the US won't provide any support but intelligence, most of the EU is saying the same thing. Obama didn't even showed for the silent minute at the G20 summit.

Hollande is to meet with Putin. Meanwhile Putin in his briefing said he expected full cooperation for joint ops with French Carrier group.

Look likes somebody is waking up with the hangover of the century...

Germany said no NATO in Syria.. it will not happen.. Uk parliament also oppose ,cameron
saying now will go alone without parliament support.. Hollande traveling to Russia in the next week ,means he will strike a deal to Russia , most likely to end the proxy war against Syria.
or it could be for the unthinkable , (but not impossible) for france to split from US coalition
and help Russia and Assad to get rid of the terrorist. NAturally all this later can happen if Assad government promise to help Hollande and France avoid any legal consequence for their earlier support to terrorist.  So which one is? in either way , im quite confident the end result will be
an offer to end the proxy war against Syria and the betrayal of the terrorist. by France.  Does not means US will not continue sponsoring them..only that the ones in Syria will be wiped.

If Putin wanted to please the west.. they will do like all other parasites BRICS nations .
that is DO NOTHING to help Russia become a strong balance to NATO in the world. and simply
Russia will stay in the comfort of their nation and look to the sides when Syria destroyed.

IF Hollande did not have plans to change its policies in Syria..it will not be visiting Putin in Russia the next week.

All said.. im optimistic that somehow ,someway ,Russia will defeat US coalition in Syria big time.
So do not judge Russia actions until the war is over ,and Russian planes stop bombing .

In the worst case Russia have the option to allow US/Turkey to  start creating "independent states in Norther Syria" temporarily (something that United Nations will NOT recognize) (totally illegal) to focus in helping the Syrian army take more strategic land..but at some point you bet Syrian army will free all the territories available to them with the Russian help.

In fact.. if US and Turkey continues their hostilities against Syria.. Russia can create an alliance
with the Kurds ,provide them weapons to start conquering lands in Turkey and take the war to them by proxy ,that is pay back with the same coin.

If Kurds have any sanity ,it will make an alliance with Russia , Russia is the only one that can truly help them be independent and sovereign nation. It will be in the interest of Russia to do an
alliance with Kurds to counter Turkey. and keep that relation to keep in check Turkey for any
actions against Syria.. Same way Russia/IRAN can use Hezbolah to create troubles for Israel.

Bidoul wrote:Rumors is that Hollande wanted to use Art. 5 from NATO and asked for military aid.

The plan is clearly no more hypothetical stuff, ISIS must go even if we have to send soldiers, 100% alignment with Russia and Iran, reform of Assad's Syria can fucking wait.

To this Obama said the US won't provide any support but intelligence, most of the EU is saying the same thing. Obama didn't even showed for the silent minute at the G20 summit.

Hollande is to meet with Putin. Meanwhile Putin in his briefing said he expected full cooperation for joint ops with French Carrier group.

Look likes somebody is waking up with the hangover of the century...

I think Hollande is also under high pressure from opposition like from Le Pen and Sarkozy, what to do. I would say a pressure from Le Pen could have quite a big weight on Hollande to cooperate with Russia against common enemy, specially when Russian army is legally in Syria.

Did Caspian ships today also launched cruise missiles or only bombers launch them?

Vann7 wrote:

Bidoul wrote:Rumors is that Hollande wanted to use Art. 5 from NATO and asked for military aid.

The plan is clearly no more hypothetical stuff, ISIS must go even if we have to send soldiers, 100% alignment with Russia and Iran, reform of Assad's Syria can fucking wait.

To this Obama said the US won't provide any support but intelligence, most of the EU is saying the same thing. Obama didn't even showed for the silent minute at the G20 summit.

Hollande is to meet with Putin. Meanwhile Putin in his briefing said he expected full cooperation for joint ops with French Carrier group.

Look likes somebody is waking up with the hangover of the century...

Germany said no NATO in Syria.. it will not happen.. Uk parliament also oppose ,cameron
saying now will go alone without parliament support.. Hollande traveling to Russia in the next week ,means he will strike a deal to Russia , most likely to end the proxy war against Syria.
or it could be for the unthinkable , (but not impossible) for france to split from US coalition
and help Russia and Assad to get rid of the terrorist. NAturally all this later can happen if Assad government promise to help Hollande and France avoid any legal consequence for their earlier support to terrorist.  So which one is? in either way , im quite confident the end result will be
an offer to end the proxy war against Syria and the betrayal of the terrorist. by France.  Does not means US will not continue sponsoring them..only that the ones in Syria will be wiped.

If Putin wanted to please the west.. they will do like all other parasites BRICS nations .
that is DO NOTHING to help Russia become a strong balance to NATO in the world. and simply
Russia will stay in the comfort of their nation and look to the sides when Syria destroyed.

IF Hollande did not have plans to change its policies in Syria..it will not be visiting Putin in Russia the next week.

All said.. im optimistic that somehow ,someway ,Russia will defeat US coalition in Syria big time.
So do not judge Russia actions until the war is over ,and Russian planes stop bombing .

In the worst case Russia have the option to allow US/Turkey to  start creating "independent states in Norther Syria" temporarily (something that United Nations will NOT recognize) (totally illegal) to focus in helping the Syrian army take more strategic land..but at some point you bet Syrian army will free all the territories available to them with the Russian help.

In fact.. if US and Turkey continues their hostilities against Syria.. Russia can create an alliance
with the Kurds ,provide them weapons to start conquering lands in Turkey and take the war to them by proxy ,that is pay back with the same coin.

If Kurds have any sanity ,it will make an alliance with Russia , Russia is the only one that can truly help them be independent and sovereign nation. It will be in the interest of Russia to do an
alliance with Kurds to counter Turkey. and keep that relation to keep in check Turkey for any
actions against Syria.. Same way Russia/IRAN can use Hezbolah to create troubles for Israel.

Might be that confidence needs time and success to be achieved and SCO is no more than a lobby of loafer bureaucrats but truth to be said without China's money Russia would not send even career pigeons in Syria.

Hollande clearly stated in his address to the Congress that ISIS was the enemy in Syria (IE not Assad), even if Assad is not a political solution (I.E. long term), but France will work with a unique coalition, exact words are "of those that can really fight those terrorists in the frame of a great and unique coalition". We all know who is fighting and who is pretending when not outright helping the terrorists...

Meanwhile Obama said on G20 no military help...

First there was Mali now this.

Split from the US & cie is more likely than you think.

I don't think people measure how much the french are angry and how much pressure Hollande is under.
Hollande has gotten 3 months of emergency powers.
It's not yet full fledged war state (there is another rank, where the president essentially become "temporary" dictator) but last time this happened there was a military putsch which led to the downfall of the 4th republic and the creation of the 5th republic...

That's how exceptional this is.

If he has nothing to show for it, the far right will win all the oncoming row of elections (they were already ahead before the bombings)... If we even get to the elections...

He has to do something, and there is only one move.

We will see.

Bidoul wrote:Rumors is that Hollande wanted to use Art. 5 from NATO and asked for military aid.

The plan is clearly no more hypothetical stuff, ISIS must go even if we have to send soldiers, 100% alignment with Russia and Iran, reform of Assad's Syria can fucking wait.

To this Obama said the US won't provide any support but intelligence, most of the EU is saying the same thing. Obama didn't even showed for the silent minute at the G20 summit.

Hollande is to meet with Putin. Meanwhile Putin in his briefing said he expected full cooperation for joint ops with French Carrier group.

Look likes somebody is waking up with the hangover of the century...

Good that France is waking up. Hopefully it will now pursue policies that are in the interest of France and its security; that's to say - build the broadest possible coalition against ISIS and only ISIS, and to hell with anybody else who has other ideas.

Bidoul wrote:Hollande clearly stated in his address to the Congress that ISIS was the enemy in Syria (IE not Assad), even if Assad is not a political solution (I.E. long term), but France will work with a unique coalition, exact words are "of those that can really fight those terrorists in the frame of a great and unique coalition". We all know who is fighting and who is pretending when not outright helping the terrorists...

Meanwhile Obama said on G20 no military help...

First there was Mali now this.

Split from the US & cie is more likely than you think.

I don't think people measure how much the french are angry and how much pressure Hollande is under.
Hollande has gotten 3 months of emergency powers.
It's not yet full fledged war state (there is another rank, where the president essentially become "temporary" dictator) but last time this happened there was a military putsch which led to the downfall of the 4th republic and the creation of the 5th republic...

That's how exceptional this is.

If he has nothing to show for it, the far right will win all the oncoming row of elections (they were already ahead before the bombings)... If we even get to the elections...

He has to do something, and there is only one move.

We will see.

I am still amazed that people still judge politicians and prone liars for what they say rather for what they do.

Olande that khazar can talk as much as he wants all actions by that slimy subhuman have already said enough.

Hannibal Barca wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

Bidoul wrote:Rumors is that Hollande wanted to use Art. 5 from NATO and asked for military aid.

The plan is clearly no more hypothetical stuff, ISIS must go even if we have to send soldiers, 100% alignment with Russia and Iran, reform of Assad's Syria can fucking wait.

To this Obama said the US won't provide any support but intelligence, most of the EU is saying the same thing. Obama didn't even showed for the silent minute at the G20 summit.

Hollande is to meet with Putin. Meanwhile Putin in his briefing said he expected full cooperation for joint ops with French Carrier group.

Look likes somebody is waking up with the hangover of the century...

Germany said no NATO in Syria.. it will not happen.. Uk parliament also oppose ,cameron
saying now will go alone without parliament support.. Hollande traveling to Russia in the next week ,means he will strike a deal to Russia , most likely to end the proxy war against Syria.
or it could be for the unthinkable , (but not impossible) for france to split from US coalition
and help Russia and Assad to get rid of the terrorist. NAturally all this later can happen if Assad government promise to help Hollande and France avoid any legal consequence for their earlier support to terrorist.  So which one is? in either way , im quite confident the end result will be
an offer to end the proxy war against Syria and the betrayal of the terrorist. by France.  Does not means US will not continue sponsoring them..only that the ones in Syria will be wiped.

If Putin wanted to please the west.. they will do like all other parasites BRICS nations .
that is DO NOTHING to help Russia become a strong balance to NATO in the world. and simply
Russia will stay in the comfort of their nation and look to the sides when Syria destroyed.

IF Hollande did not have plans to change its policies in Syria..it will not be visiting Putin in Russia the next week.

All said.. im optimistic that somehow ,someway ,Russia will defeat US coalition in Syria big time.
So do not judge Russia actions until the war is over ,and Russian planes stop bombing .

In the worst case Russia have the option to allow US/Turkey to  start creating "independent states in Norther Syria" temporarily (something that United Nations will NOT recognize) (totally illegal) to focus in helping the Syrian army take more strategic land..but at some point you bet Syrian army will free all the territories available to them with the Russian help.

In fact.. if US and Turkey continues their hostilities against Syria.. Russia can create an alliance
with the Kurds ,provide them weapons to start conquering lands in Turkey and take the war to them by proxy ,that is pay back with the same coin.

If Kurds have any sanity ,it will make an alliance with Russia , Russia is the only one that can truly help them be independent and sovereign nation. It will be in the interest of Russia to do an
alliance with Kurds to counter Turkey. and keep that relation to keep in check Turkey for any
actions against Syria.. Same way Russia/IRAN can use Hezbolah to create troubles for Israel.

Might be that confidence needs time and success to be achieved and SCO is no more than a lobby of loafer bureaucrats but truth to be said without China's money Russia would not send even career pigeons in Syria.

Russia got nearly nothing from China. Some investments and supposed credit to Rosneft. That is it.  Most of the money coming in is once again from donestic consumers and sale of new products and old supply lines (oil and gas to Europe).

That said. I dont trust Hollande. Le Pen and Sarkozy I trust way more.  Hollande is a person who follows but doesnt lead. And that is evident. So I dont believe this French move.

sepheronx wrote:
That said. I dont trust Hollande. Le Pen and Sarkozy I trust way more.  Hollande is a person who follows but doesnt lead. And that is evident. So I dont believe this French move.

Without France and Germany support to Russia planned peace plan..called Minks-2.
Russia will have been forced by US to invade Ukraine and bomb Ukrainians and kiev.

Europe might be US allies. and semi puppet states. but they also have their interest..too.. and if they find a way to defend their interest ,under any tactic they will do it. Just look for example
At North Stream 2.. is that is not a major Slap of US plans to isolate Russia energy business from Europe no idea what is. And which european nations benefit more the new Pipeline Russia is building ? yes Germany And France.

Again things in international politics are not white or black. Not NATO vs Russia. is not that way.
Each nation also have interest that will do it best to defend them if possible for them. France
tried to sell the mistrals to Russia but got a $10 billion lawsuit from American banks under
"doing something illegal". Compare 10billions vs the 1.2 billions Russia gave to France. So It was on the interest of France to sell the mistral to Russia but if they do it..will have cost a lot more money to them in retaliation by Americans. This means that Russia could play diplomacy
games with Europe and lure them away of American policies and needs to know how to score a deal that Europe cannot resist.

Quite the picture from the War Room at the National Center. Only 4 Su-34's not 6 as reported according to this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS2w1zzLrmg

Cyberspec wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Lel calm down, Putin just won the damn war for Assad with the Iranians wrecking havoc on the moderate beheaders.

Absolutely.

Report to Putin on the progress of the operation against (take note: ISIL and other terrorist groups  and bandit formations). Apart from the RuAF actions a substantial part of Gerasimov's report is on the SAA progress on the fronts...in other words - joint operation

Did anyone saw the video at 1:34?  

it looks like RUssian long range bombers are attacking Syria from the safety of
IRANIAN airspace in the border with IRAQ?


The video also shows all the advances of Syrian Army coalition in Syria.. which is
pretty decent. Not impressive with all the air support the y receive from Russia,
but neither is bad. Syrian army needs a couple of mechanized armored battalions with
strong tanks like T-72b3 or T-90 and hundreds of modern light mobile armor and more attack hellicopters for close ground support. for a fast speed clearing.

So now people can have some kind of relief ,none of Russian nuclear bombers will be flying over
Syria it seems.  will be 100% safe.

GEEZ! Sepheronx, overreaction much?

France is hooking up with the Russian battlegroup, they'll be conducting what are probably token PR sorties in Syrian Airspace that is under complete jurisdiction of the VKS. They put a foot wrong, they even go a few degrees off their defined entry corridors, and they'll be told to get the hell out. They will not fly into an airspace that could be turned hostile, with no exit route, at the flick of a figurative switch, and attempt to conduct nefarious operations. That's just stupid. Hell they might even get a free friendly tour from the Su-30SMs.

You're talking like France has just been let off the leash to wreck havoc in Syria. Make no mistake, this whole thing is completely on Russian terms. And yes, as a formality I'd assume Assad has given temporary clearance to the French, not that that makes a speck of difference.

Vann7 wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Lel calm down, Putin just won the damn war for Assad with the Iranians wrecking havoc on the moderate beheaders.

Absolutely.

Report to Putin on the progress of the operation against (take note: ISIL and other terrorist groups  and bandit formations). Apart from the RuAF actions a substantial part of Gerasimov's report is on the SAA progress on the fronts...in other words - joint operation

Did anyone saw the video at 1:34?  

it looks like RUssian long range bombers are attacking Syria from the safety of
IRANIAN airspace in the border with IRAQ?

Yeah saw it too, honestly not quite surprising.

Interactive map of Russian airstrikes using the official Russian Ministry of Defense briefings only. In Russian.

http://ria.ru/infografika/20151112/1319261719.html

Bidoul wrote:Hollande clearly stated in his address to the Congress that ISIS was the enemy in Syria (IE not Assad), even if Assad is not a political solution (I.E. long term), but France will work with a unique coalition, exact words are "of those that can really fight those terrorists in the frame of a great and unique coalition". We all know who is fighting and who is pretending when not outright helping the terrorists...

Meanwhile Obama said on G20 no military help...

First there was Mali now this.

Split from the US & cie is more likely than you think.

I don't think people measure how much the french are angry and how much pressure Hollande is under.
Hollande has gotten 3 months of emergency powers.
It's not yet full fledged war state (there is another rank, where the president essentially become "temporary" dictator) but last time this happened there was a military putsch which led to the downfall of the 4th republic and the creation of the 5th republic...

That's how exceptional this is.

If he has nothing to show for it, the far right will win all the oncoming row of elections (they were already ahead before the bombings)... If we even get to the elections...

He has to do something, and there is only one move.

We will see.

I can't speak for what the French will do, but my feeling is that a consensus is forming among the Great Powers regarding Syria and ISIS. I predict that a UN Security Council resolution will be passed that basically specifies the framework to peace in Syria and delineates between 'valid' fighting groups and invalid ones (ISIS, al-Nusra, maybe a few other Islamist groups). Any group that does not want to be in breach of the UN Security Council resolution will not be allowed to fight other groups, only ISIS and the other designated terrorists. Russia will continue to work alongside the SAA and the US will continue to work with the YPG/SDF. I don't think the French will 'ally' with Russia in terms of an on-the-ground military alliance, but all powers will work together to enforce the UNSC resolution. I am guessing ISIS will be destroyed in Syria by next summer, and then will begin the very difficult period of negotiations between the various parties in Syria.

This is not what I want to happen, but rather just where I feel things are leading.

OminousSpudd wrote:GEEZ! Sepheronx, overreaction much?

France is hooking up with the Russian battlegroup, they'll be conducting what are probably token PR sorties in Syrian Airspace that is under complete jurisdiction of the VKS. They put a foot wrong, they even go a few degrees off their defined entry corridors, and they'll be told to get the hell out. They will not fly into an airspace that could be turned hostile, with no exit route, at the flick of a figurative switch, and attempt to conduct nefarious operations. That's just stupid. Hell they might even get a free friendly tour from the Su-30SMs.

You're talking like France has just been let off the leash to wreck havoc in Syria. Make no mistake, this whole thing is completely on Russian terms. And yes, as a formality I'd assume Assad has given temporary clearance to the French, not that that makes a speck of difference.

Call me cynical but this is how I see things after listening to my government mixed in with what I have seen the western powers do in Libya, Ukraine, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria over the years has made me see them as nothing more than rapists, liars, cheats and scoundrals.  Mixed in with how they are treating Russia, and How Russia is taking it, makes me think they will just lie, cheat, steal, rob and murder again, like they have done so many times before.  So I just see this as just another attempt and chance for the west remove Assad.

Ill be glad to eat my words here. But I am going to watch this without much hope.  I think Russians are going to regret this dicision like they did when Medvedev voted for the no fly zone that became france and US chance at murder.  I think this will be no different. Common denominator here is France.

sepheronx wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:GEEZ! Sepheronx, overreaction much?

France is hooking up with the Russian battlegroup, they'll be conducting what are probably token PR sorties in Syrian Airspace that is under complete jurisdiction of the VKS. They put a foot wrong, they even go a few degrees off their defined entry corridors, and they'll be told to get the hell out. They will not fly into an airspace that could be turned hostile, with no exit route, at the flick of a figurative switch, and attempt to conduct nefarious operations. That's just stupid. Hell they might even get a free friendly tour from the Su-30SMs.

You're talking like France has just been let off the leash to wreck havoc in Syria. Make no mistake, this whole thing is completely on Russian terms. And yes, as a formality I'd assume Assad has given temporary clearance to the French, not that that makes a speck of difference.

Call me cynical but this is how I see things after listening to my government mixed in with what I have seen the western powers do in Libya, Ukraine, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria over the years has made me see them as nothing more than rapists, liars, cheats and scoundrals.  Mixed in with how they are treating Russia, and How Russia is taking it, makes me think they will just lie, cheat, steal, rob and murder again, like they have done so many times before.  So I just see this as just another attempt and chance for the west remove Assad.

Ill be glad to eat my words here. But I am going to watch this without much hope.  I think Russians are going to regret this dicision like they did when Medvedev voted for the no fly zone that became france and US chance at murder.  I think this will be no different. Common denominator here is France.

If France even thinks about attacking Syria, I swear to God, Iran and Iraq will make France a living hell. Never underestimate Muslims. Especially not in the ME.