Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

The major problem with any Russia retaliation will be Turkey citizens.. it could raise the popularity of Erdogan the pig..and thats the last thing Putin needs. It could encourage hundred of thousands of "volunteers" from Turkey to join and invade Syria.. So im sure the Russia government had to study plans in case planes are shot down. by Turkey or Israel..
Public opinion will be really important in everything Russia does.. if Europe backup Russia
and Condemn ERdogan , then Russia will be in an easy position to retaliate Turkey without
US managing to Isolate Russia..

What is more important for Russia is to get Europe support and to not allow its operation to be interrupted by Turkey or US provocations.. how they will do that? is the question..but with full support of Europe Russia will easily retaliate and turkey will get sanctions by Europe. we will see.

Acheron wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:One of those "primitive" Kh-55 could "wander off course" during next heavy bombing run... "accidental" shit happens all the time...

Hell, might as well do it at the Bosphorus straight. Have a big missile launch accidentally into a crowded population center nearby.

There is no need to attack the population as answer for the downing of the plane, since that won't achieve anything meaningful in the long run -> human lives are cheap and can be quickly replenished by the quickly-breeding turks.
The best answer would take the form of focused efforts aimed at the formation of Kurdish state and weakening/destabilizing the Turkish state/military.

This process is ongoing...That´s why Turks are risking so much. almost 30mln Kurds in Turkey treated as 3rd class citizens. Besides probably shooting all tourist connections with Turkey over terrorist threat is also good solution.

Yet nothing prevents Syrian authorities shoot down any Turkish plane over Syria.

List of weapons possibly used to down the aircraft:
AIM-120 AMRAAM:

AIM-9 Sidewinder:

MIM-104 Patriot:


Journalist Ambush video:

Militarov wrote:"Syrian rebel sources claim two Russian pilots have been captured alive, with one injured." - https://twitter.com/intlspectator/status/669091767988301825

nope they've killed one pilot, the guy looks like dead from small arms fire.

https://twitter.com/anasanas84/status/669095300984909824

Vann7 wrote:
The major problem with any Russia retaliation will be Turkey citizens.. it could raise the popularity of Erdogan the pig..and thats the last thing Putin needs. It could encourage hundred of thousands of "volunteers" from Turkey to join and invade Syria.. So im sure the Russia government had to study plans in case planes are shot down. by Turkey or Israel..
Public opinion will be really important in everything Russia does.. if Europe backup Russia
and Condemn ERdogan , then Russia will be in an easy position to retaliate Turkey without
US managing to Isolate Russia..

What is more important for Russia is to get Europe support and to not allow its operation to be interrupted by Turkey or US provocations.. how they will do that?  is the question..but with full support of Europe Russia will easily retaliate and turkey will get sanctions by Europe. we will see.

You are a dreamer mate none in EU will condemn Turkey they are either forced to act against Russia or truly sick Russ-phobes :/

Russian also cannot back all the time - Putin knows what happens next. Erdogan will feel strong enough to push even more. Syrians mus shoot some Turkish planes 8with Russian rockets of course) and Turks will not tare to retaliate because Syria´s airspace is covered by Russians EW /AAD

But of course Putin knows 100x more then we all do and he chooses best way for Russia to respond..

KoTeMoRe wrote:Morph: Yes the Russians want this to go under the carpet because reasons, but the Turks came early and fast forward with their own BS (about non_ID bogey/tango, lele sure Syrian SU-24 going that close, hah).

So the Russians can't deny it. The problem for the Turks is that Russians were flying high for one reason, not getting hit by manpad. So what ever hit the SU, it was given/done by Turkey. I bet the people monitoring the plane from the Sea can even say what system was used. If it turns out it was a Rapier or higher, there's no fucing way in hell the Russians were within Turkish territory.

Well, last week Spanish Prime Minister was bragging on TV about their Patriot battery deployed some 100 km away from the Syrian border to protect turkish airspace and civilian population from enemy aircrafts and ballistic missiles.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:"Syrian rebel sources claim two Russian pilots have been captured alive, with one injured." - https://twitter.com/intlspectator/status/669091767988301825

nope they've killed one pilot, the guy looks like dead from small arms fire.

https://twitter.com/anasanas84/status/669095300984909824

He died well, by the looks of things. I pray he took a dozen down with him.

https://twitter.com/FedorStepy/status/669096861563777024

Is this old footage or from today?!

May God grant him the kingdom of heaven. Rest in peace.

One pilot dead. Any Russian politician who suggests moderation now will kiss his career goodbye.

KoTeMoRe wrote:CNN saying the plane wasn't in Turkish airspace when it got hit...this is an ambush plain and simple. The Turks shot the plane as a warning, i really hope the pilots are returned, if not, more bombing on the area, possibly cruise missiles, possibly standoff munitions well within Syrian Airspace, just GIVE. THEM. HELL.

Can you give me a link?

PapaDragon wrote:
One pilot dead. Any Russian politician who suggests moderation now will kiss his career goodbye.

WWIII then?

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:"Syrian rebel sources claim two Russian pilots have been captured alive, with one injured." - https://twitter.com/intlspectator/status/669091767988301825

nope they've killed one pilot, the guy looks like dead from small arms fire.

https://twitter.com/anasanas84/status/669095300984909824

He died well, by the looks of things. I pray he took a dozen down with him.

No he didn't die well, he'll be dead and buried when the motherfucker that killed him without any reason gets the same treatment and his CO with him. I only hope Obola steps aside and lets this sorted the old way so 30 million Kurds and Alevis can live peacefully and free without Turkish state oppression.

So mad right now.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

OminousSpudd wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:"Syrian rebel sources claim two Russian pilots have been captured alive, with one injured." - https://twitter.com/intlspectator/status/669091767988301825

nope they've killed one pilot, the guy looks like dead from small arms fire.

https://twitter.com/anasanas84/status/669095300984909824

He died well, by the looks of things. I pray he took a dozen down with him.

No he didn't die well, he'll be dead and buried when the motherfucker that killed him without any reason gets the same treatment and his CO with him. I only hope Obola steps aside and lets this sorted the old way so 30 million Kurds and Alevis can live peacefully and free without Turkish state oppression.

So mad right now.

That´s most probable answer: officially arm Kurds also wityh AAD weapons...and increase support to Russian contingent in Syria.

Monarchist wrote:https://twitter.com/FedorStepy/status/669096861563777024

Is this old footage or from today?!

Right now obviously. Fucking apes. I hope the FSA and Turkish soldiers and their families will all be killed in the most inhumane way possible.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
One pilot dead. Any Russian politician who suggests moderation now will kiss his career goodbye.

WWIII then?

This is your only fcking answer whenever russians die. Or someone attacks Russia. Your brainwashing from Putin's liberal media is astoundishing. If the doesn't retaliate he should just resign.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
One pilot dead. Any Russian politician who suggests moderation now will kiss his career goodbye.

WWIII then?

Meh, who would go to WW3 over today's Turkey?

Cruise missile/Kurdish republic "diplomacy" more likely...

Fuck erdogan and fuck turkey and its terrorist sympathies.

You can argue about blowong up power lines, but shooting a fucking plane down is very clearly an act of war. And make no mistake, dont pin this just on turkey, if nato are crooning about it then the responsibility is on them too. They are the ones who made such a massive issue of this even when turkey had kissed and made up with russia after the border incident.

Russia must respond now in equal measure, it has to. If it tries to brush this under the carpet the turks will start doing this more often, and the next time they send a bear to fly close to british airspace who knows what will happen, if nato countries will know that they can shoot down russian planes with no response.

Fucking throw all NATO dogs out of Syria even the fucking french frog fretting scum who are currently "hunting" a "russian" sub tells you how fucking disgusting this dogs are.

Just imagine the "skill" needed to shoot down a plane that assumed he was in non hostile airspace... Turkish "fighter-ace" will regret that kill-mark he "earned" along with the entire chain of command and attached population.

Well Turkey has handed in their resignation for existence obviously... But I swear, if NATO is behind this, then we're all dead.

#BREAKING: #Russian FM Lavrov cancels trip to Ankara following downing of Russian jet over #Syria

https://twitter.com/i24news_EN/status/669099851217575936

PapaDragon wrote:Just imagine the "skill" needed to shoot down a plane that assumed he was in non hostile airspace... Turkish "fighter-ace" will regret that kill-mark he "earned" along with the entire chain of command and attached population.

Yeah, no skill required in that scenario... probably didn't even have a chance to go defensive.

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Monarchist wrote:https://twitter.com/FedorStepy/status/669096861563777024

Is this old footage or from today?!

Right now obviously. Fucking apes. I hope the FSA and Turkish soldiers and their families will all be killed in the most inhumane way possible.

Whats your obsession with killig civilian man? I thought you were better than that, i know you are mad, we all are. But leave those sick thoughts to the idiots who masturbate to videos of american bombs flattening civilians areas, gotta rise above it. Let death rain on those responsible, no more.

Rodinazombie wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Monarchist wrote:https://twitter.com/FedorStepy/status/669096861563777024

Is this old footage or from today?!

Right now obviously. Fucking apes. I hope the FSA and Turkish soldiers and their families will all be killed in the most inhumane way possible.

Whats your obsession with killig civilian man? I thought you were better than that, i know you are mad, we all are. But leave those sick thoughts to the idiots who masturbate to videos of american bombs flattening civilians areas, gotta rise above it. Let death rain on those responsible, no more.

Your right. Unlike them we are not animals. We don't celebrate or call for civilian deaths. I bet he is angry, but still no need for the killing of innocent people.