Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

KiloGolf wrote:ahrar al derka derka claims to have shelled Hmeimim air base...
I wonder if it's true..

Zivo wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:ahrar al derka derka claims to have shelled Hmeimim air base...
I wonder if it's true..

Reports are from several hours ago, I haven't hear news of any hits.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

And if Russia is allegedly fighting against the "Islamic State" then why was it attacking with these jets the ethnic Turkomans who actually fight against the "Islamic State" on the ground?

Infantryman < navigator, cruel but that is how military looks at it. When its about helicopter, its just a helicopter, US lost 8 last 2 months in regular flights out of combat zones.

Coz they also fight aganist regular Syrian Army? Maybe...


The naval infantry in Russia are considered as elite troops, perhaps not totally as elite as GRU Spietsnaz but still elite.

If Russia is only there to fight the "Islamic State" then that is what it should do, but no fight against others who are fighting against the IS.

There are now some allegations being made in the Western mass media that it is only the Western air forces that really fight agains the IS, while the Russians attack only the Free Syrian Army and its ethnic Turkoman allies.

It is Russia that looks dishonest here.

KiloGolf wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:

Zivo wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:ahrar al derka derka claims to have shelled Hmeimim air base...
I wonder if it's true..

Reports are from several hours ago, I haven't hear news of any hits.

Ι doubt they could even reach the base with such a cannon and given the insurgent positions in Latakia.
Could they? Is that a 130mm cannon? I'm quite weak on arty tech

KiloGolf wrote:

Zivo wrote:

KiloGolf wrote:ahrar al derka derka claims to have shelled Hmeimim air base...
I wonder if it's true..

Reports are from several hours ago, I haven't hear news of any hits.

Ι doubt they could even reach the base with such a cannon and given the insurgent positions in Latakia.
Could they? Is that a 130mm cannon? I'm quite weak on arty tech

JohninMK wrote:Helpful English lesson. It is a gun in general language, never a cannon and it fires shells not loaded from the front. A cannon is a type of gun that fires balls or grapeshot and is muzzle loaded.

JohninMK wrote:Turkey pulling back its rhetoric, if it is believable.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151127/1030833059/turkey-russia-cooperation.html

Zivo wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Turkey pulling back its rhetoric, if it is believable.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151127/1030833059/turkey-russia-cooperation.html

Cowardly response, following their cowardly attack. Damn those S-400's work good, you don't even have to fire a shot to get your enemy to back down.

flamming_python wrote:The S-300F, S-400 and Su-30 escorts should significantly tip the odds into the Russian favour.

flamming_python wrote:

Anyway, Russia should cleanse the area, be careful to avoid Turkish airspace although if there is another altercation; because of some self-declared 'no-fly zone', then gloves off chaps. The S-300F, S-400 and Su-30 escorts should significantly tip the odds into the Russian favour.

JohninMK wrote:Turkey pulling back its rhetoric, if it is believable.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151127/1030833059/turkey-russia-cooperation.html

max steel wrote:Odin of Ossetia sorry for your poor knowledge but those Turkmen are not fighting against Syrian terrorists they are fighting alongside them against Syrian Army. They are a small minority, but there are different Turkmen clans fighting on all sides of the conflict - FSA, Nusra, SAA, ISIS, even w Kurds supposedly


You still believe in West rhetoric that there are 3-4 separate factions in Syria but in reality they all are one against Syrian Army and its civilians.


Here are your Turkmen going against their rhetoric . Claiming they didn't fire at pilot chuting down, but evidence say different story.

https://www.facebook.com/inthenowrt/videos/547999868683720/?pnref=story

ult wrote:So, the Gorshkov has successfully launched the cruise missiles, which mean that it will complete the trials pretty soon, Kuznetsov is out of dock. There was no reason to have Su-33 in Syria before due to their limited air to ground capabilities, but now...

Which means that Russia could put an actual carrier strike group - Kuznetsov, Petr Velikiy, Gorshkov, Grigorovich, Severodvinsk. Maybe someone else. That's quite the force. How likely do you think it is?

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

max steel wrote:Odin of Ossetia sorry for your poor knowledge but those Turkmen are not fighting against Syrian terrorists they are fighting alongside them against Syrian Army. They are a small minority, but there are different Turkmen clans fighting on all sides of the conflict - FSA, Nusra, SAA, ISIS, even w Kurds supposedly


You still believe in West rhetoric that there are 3-4 separate factions in Syria but in reality they all are one against Syrian Army and its civilians.


Here are your Turkmen going against their rhetoric . Claiming they didn't fire at pilot chuting down, but evidence say different story.

https://www.facebook.com/inthenowrt/videos/547999868683720/?pnref=story

The Turkman Brigades are aligned with the moderate and anti-IS Free Syrian Army:


http://en.etilaf.org/coalition-components/national-blocks/turkman-component-of-the-syrian-national-coalition.html


http://en.etilaf.org/all-news/political-news/erdogan-we-support-the-fsa-who-fight-an-oppressive-regime.html

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Zivo wrote:Shoigu confirmed, the second pilot is back at their base.  

“The [rescue] operation is successfully over. The pilot has been delivered to our base. Safe and sound,” Shoigu said during a meeting of the Defense Committee, adding that the operation was performed by Russian and Syrian special forces.

https://www.rt.com/news/323377-russian-pilot-saved-syria/

A Russian military helicopter was destroyed, and a Russian naval infantryman killed - according to the Russian government - all that to rescue a single airman, and they call it as successful?


And if Russia is allegedly fighting against the "Islamic State" then why was it attacking with these jets the ethnic Turkomans who actually fight against the "Islamic State" on the ground?

Infantryman < navigator, cruel but that is how military looks at it. When its about helicopter, its just a helicopter, US lost 8 last 2 months in regular flights out of combat zones.

Coz they also fight aganist regular Syrian Army? Maybe...

The naval infantry in Russia are considered as elite troops, perhaps not totally as elite as GRU Spietsnaz but still elite.

If Russia is only there to fight the "Islamic State" then that is what it should do, but no fight against others who are fighting against the IS.

There are now some allegations being made in the Western mass media that it is only the Western air forces that really fight agains the IS, while the Russians attack only the Free Syrian Army and its ethnic Turkoman allies.

It is Russia that looks dishonest here.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Zivo wrote:Shoigu confirmed, the second pilot is back at their base.  

“The [rescue] operation is successfully over. The pilot has been delivered to our base. Safe and sound,” Shoigu said during a meeting of the Defense Committee, adding that the operation was performed by Russian and Syrian special forces.

https://www.rt.com/news/323377-russian-pilot-saved-syria/

A Russian military helicopter was destroyed, and a Russian naval infantryman killed - according to the Russian government - all that to rescue a single airman, and they call it as successful?


And if Russia is allegedly fighting against the "Islamic State" then why was it attacking with these jets the ethnic Turkomans who actually fight against the "Islamic State" on the ground?

Infantryman < navigator, cruel but that is how military looks at it. When its about helicopter, its just a helicopter, US lost 8 last 2 months in regular flights out of combat zones.

Coz they also fight aganist regular Syrian Army? Maybe...

The naval infantry in Russia are considered as elite troops, perhaps not totally as elite as GRU Spietsnaz but still elite.

If Russia is only there to fight the "Islamic State" then that is what it should do, but no fight against others who are fighting against the IS.

There are now some allegations being made in the Western mass media that it is only the Western air forces that really fight agains the IS, while the Russians attack only the Free Syrian Army and its ethnic Turkoman allies.

It is Russia that looks dishonest here.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

max steel wrote:

The Turkman Brigades are aligned with the moderate and anti-IS Free Syrian Army:


http://en.etilaf.org/coalition-components/national-blocks/turkman-component-of-the-syrian-national-coalition.html


http://en.etilaf.org/all-news/political-news/erdogan-we-support-the-fsa-who-fight-an-oppressive-regime.html

flamming_python wrote:

Zivo wrote:

JohninMK wrote:Turkey pulling back its rhetoric, if it is believable.

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20151127/1030833059/turkey-russia-cooperation.html

Cowardly response, following their cowardly attack. Damn those S-400's work good, you don't even have to fire a shot to get your enemy to back down.

Job is not done yet and there is everything to play for

Russia should eradicate Turkey's proxy Islamists in Lakatia, and help the SAA re-establish full control.

If there are some secular Turkmens or whoever else who just don't trust Assad - fine, let them contact the Russian leadership like the Kurds and some other minor opposition groups did; in order to co-ordinate joint actions against the Islamists. And a ceasefire could probably be brokered between them and the SAA too.

But I don't think that's the case; 'Turkmen' is just what the Turkish government uses to justify their full-on funding of head-cutters and terrorists in Western Syria.

Anyway, Russia should cleanse the area, be careful to avoid Turkish airspace although if there is another altercation; because of some self-declared 'no-fly zone', then gloves off chaps. The S-300F, S-400 and Su-30 escorts should significantly tip the odds into the Russian favour.