Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

Rodinazombie wrote:
Translation:

Interviews military expert, constant author of the magazine "Arsenal of the Fatherland", a specialist in the use of the Military Space Forces Alexei Leonkova

Alexei Petrovich, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin called the unprovoked attack on a Turkish fighter Russian aircraft returns to base after the attack on the position of LIH, "stab in the back". Do you agree with this assessment?
How can you argue with the president? But I think that he is also commonly understood meaning of this phrase, it meant an additional meaning. The analysis shows that the attack on the Su-24M2 Russian VKS was pre-planned by Turkey and its military partners. In this case, we are talking about the operation, "Backstab".
Indeed, our plane is waiting in ambush Turkish interceptors on land located sabotage and reconnaissance groups, disguised as local Turkomans were previously imported crews CNN and FOX ...
This is only a tactical software finals. The operation started much earlier. Throughout the period of the Russian VKS - Exploration of the NATO countries are not sitting idly by. The actions of our aviation was conducted by means of continuous monitoring of space, air and ground intelligence. In the attack he was involved in several complex reconnaissance and target - at least 3, and two F-16 with the latest missiles AIM-9X.
How it all happened?
US Air Force Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS flew November 24 from an air base in Preveza in Greece. Second Air Force E-3A Saudi Arabia took off from an airbase Riyadh. Both aircraft carried out one common task - to determine the exact locations of aircraft videoconferencing Russia. They are also chosen "victim."
American E-3A was to determine the mode of weapon control radar of the Su-24M2, to check whether it is able to search or seizure has already completed and accompanied by the goal, producing data for firing. It is known that can control the actions of AWACS aircraft in combat and transfer of avionics and aircraft information to the NCP of warfare.
That is, to determine how helpless our plane?
It turns out that, yes. As you know, the Su-24M2 was returning from a mission, and his NCP worked in the "navigation" in conjunction with GLONASS, he walked to the base and is not ready to take action. E-3 all the time passed details of the Su-24M2 pair patrol Turkish F-16CJ. This aircraft is specially produced for Turkey. Its feature is the presence of the computer, run the new radar AN / APG-68 and fulfill the role of co-pilot, navigator.
But this information is not enough to enter the high-speed target. I used something else?
Indeed, output precision fighter F-16CJ further provides ground-based US Patriot air defense, stationed in Turkey, or rather their multifunctional radar AN / MPQ-53. Patriot air defense system can work with the E-3 electronic reconnaissance satellites and MENTOR, it is possible that the satellite constellation was more SC "GEOSTAT."
The flight path F-16CJ talking about precision output to the target by the method of triangulation: a pair of E-3A radar plus the Patriot air defense system plus RER MENTOR geostationary satellites, and possibly the SC "GEOSTAT."

At the same time the E-3 was allowed to indicate where our aircraft in the air is determined by its train, speed, status of weapons control, radar air defense system Patriot conjunction with the satellite signals intelligence MENTOR provide telemetry Movement Su-24M2 to the ground - that is, gave an accurate forecast sector appearance of our the aircraft relative to the mountainous terrain.
It turns out that Turkish fighter exactly know where our plane waiting in ambush?
Of course. A pair of F-16CJ went to the area of ​​start-up and at a distance of 4-6 kilometers, almost at point blank range (!) Let the missile "air-to-air» AIM-9X Sidewinder in the rear hemisphere Russian bomber. This radar AN / APG-68 fighter jet launched a rocket operates on a "target illumination": Turn at start-up and shut off after the rocket firm grip and hit the target.
I did our pilots the ability to save the plane?
No. Chance to avoid defeat at the Su-24M2 crew were zero.
Against missiles AIM-9X with a new matrix infrared seeker, the imaging target in the infrared range, and insensitive to heat trap, the Su-24M2 is no counter systems. His means of countering: BKO "Carpathians", the station warning radar illumination ACT-15C teplopelengator LO-82 to detect missile launches, the station posing jamming SPS-161, the device release chaff and false thermal purposes AMS-50 - can not confront new missile AIM-9X.
And if there was support for the fighters?
Now it will be. Of course, the tragedy could have been prevented pair of Su-30cm, have adopted BKO "Hibiny-In." But no one was waiting to strike back against an ally, especially warning about the details of the operation of our partner.
You mean the "American partners", most of those who belong to the "Patriots" and "AWACS", as well as satellites, possibly involved in the operation?
Yes, with a high degree of probability. No Turkey's own capacity for such meticulous and very precise work. And do not forget the second the E-3, assigned to the Air Force KSA. The whole scenario quite fleeting, the score went to second.
Is everything went so smoothly?

The Turks still make a mistake, because of the provocation which is not entirely successful. F-16CJ took to defeat late in 2 minutes, when the Su-24M2 has already left the station 68 km disputed territory in northern Syria (its flight it took 1.5 minutes maximum). Team "defeat» F-16CJ not canceled, so the missile launch was carried out a little further calculation point. This is confirmed by the fact that shooting the fall of the Su-24M2 was planned as from the territory of Syria, and with Turkey, but "Syrian" pictures in more detail. It seems that it saved and our navigator. He was able to go to the "Zelenka" and wait for the search party there.
Interviewed expert of the Commission on Security MHD Dmitry Efimov
http://regnum.ru/news/polit/2021108.html
View: Mobile | Classic
Google Translate for Business:Translator ToolkitWebsite TranslatorGlobal Market Finder
Turn off instant translationAbout Google TranslateMobileCommunityPrivacy & TermsHelpSend feedback

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
Checked up on this. In the Latakia region, the moderates are in full retreat as the battle is said to be in its final stages. Heavy bombing has been occurring ever since the shoot down. Border has been blocked off ever since Turkey had their arms humanitarian trucks mysteriously blown up. Turkish media apparently very buttblasted and blabbing about 'peaceful' villages being bombed and lots of displaced Turkmens. If it ever was an ethnic Turkmen area they lost it forever. Those Turkmens lost the chance to negotiate as soon as they fired upon the catapulted pilots. Other than that, the VVS is doing a great job of hitting Turkish assets in ISIS held territory near Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor.

KiloGolf wrote:ahrar al derka derka claims to have shelled Hmeimim air base...
I wonder if it's true..

Erk wrote:

Got any links on where I can find situation updates on Latakia region?

Werewolf wrote:Military Police.

Erk wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:
Checked up on this. In the Latakia region, the moderates are in full retreat as the battle is said to be in its final stages. Heavy bombing has been occurring ever since the shoot down. Border has been blocked off ever since Turkey had their arms humanitarian trucks mysteriously blown up. Turkish media apparently very buttblasted and blabbing about 'peaceful' villages being bombed and lots of displaced Turkmens. If it ever was an ethnic Turkmen area they lost it forever. Those Turkmens lost the chance to negotiate as soon as they fired upon the catapulted pilots. Other than that, the VVS is doing a great job of hitting Turkish assets in ISIS held territory near Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor.

Got any links on where I can find situation updates on Latakia region?

ANKARA

Almost 7,000 Turkmen have recently been displaced due to repeated air and ground assaults by Syrian regime forces and Russian warplanes in Syria’s predominantly-Turkmen Bayirbucak region, according to a local Turkmen association.

Speaking to Anadolu Agency, Ahmed Vezir, secretary-general of the Association of Syrian Turks, said that 20 villages in Bayirbucak -- where some 17,000 people are estimated to live -- had been entirely vacated as a result of the recent upsurge of violence.

Vezir said that a number of Turkmen -- mostly women, children and elderly people -- had recently fled to the villages of Yamadi and Sallur near the Turkish border and to Turkey's southern Hatay province.

Turkey’s official disaster relief agency, AFAD, for its part, has set up a coordination center in Yamadi to organize the distribution of humanitarian aid to affected Turkmen families.

Over the last several days, approximately 2,000 Syrian Turkmen, fleeing the violence in their home country, have reportedly arrived in southern Turkey.

Turkmen are a Turkic ethnic group based largely in Syria and Iraq, where they live alongside large Arab and Kurdish populations. The Turkmen community, which includes both Sunni and Shia Muslims, shares close cultural affinities with the Turkish people.

Abdul-Rahman Mustafa, head of the Ankara-based Council of Syrian Turkmen, told Anadolu Agency that only young Turkmen of fighting age still remained in Bayirbucak.

‘No Daesh presence’

Turkmen civilians in Bayirbucak, which is located in Syria’s Latakia province, say the Daesh militant group has no presence in the area.

A number of Turkmen told Anadolu Agency that Russian claims of a Daesh presence in Bayirbucak were little more than a pretext intended to justify ongoing Russian airstrikes in the area.

"Everyone is using Daesh as a pretext to intervene in Syria," said Mustafa. "Daesh isn’t in the Turkmen Mountains; this is a big lie."

"If Russia really wanted to strike Daesh, why don’t they hit them in northern Aleppo where we’re already fighting them?" he asked.

Many Turkmen say they have been abandoned by the international community, saying they faced frequent attacks by Syrian regime forces, backed by Iran, Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Russian air power.

Ahmed Yusuf, 45, a civilian in Bayirbucak, told Anadolu Agency that Russian warplanes frequently struck "civilians targets and mosques in the area".

"Turkey has opened its borders to the [Turkmen] people," Bayirbucak resident Suhail Abdullah, 29, said. "But most of us don’t want to leave our villages."

"We’ve lived here for ages," he added. "We won’t leave our ancestral lands to anybody."

Ivan the Colorado wrote:A little of the Turkish media buttblasted about the poor innocent Turkmens getting slaughtered.

ANKARA  

Almost 7,000 Turkmen have recently been displaced due to repeated air and ground assaults by Syrian regime forces and Russian warplanes in Syria’s predominantly-Turkmen Bayirbucak region, according to a local Turkmen association.

Speaking to Anadolu Agency, Ahmed Vezir, secretary-general of the Association of Syrian Turks, said that 20 villages in Bayirbucak -- where some 17,000 people are estimated to live -- had been entirely vacated as a result of the recent upsurge of violence.

Vezir said that a number of Turkmen -- mostly women, children and elderly people -- had recently fled to the villages of Yamadi and Sallur near the Turkish border and to Turkey's southern Hatay province.

Turkey’s official disaster relief agency, AFAD, for its part, has set up a coordination center in Yamadi to organize the distribution of humanitarian aid to affected Turkmen families.

Over the last several days, approximately 2,000 Syrian Turkmen, fleeing the violence in their home country, have reportedly arrived in southern Turkey.

Turkmen are a Turkic ethnic group based largely in Syria and Iraq, where they live alongside large Arab and Kurdish populations. The Turkmen community, which includes both Sunni and Shia Muslims, shares close cultural affinities with the Turkish people.

Abdul-Rahman Mustafa, head of the Ankara-based Council of Syrian Turkmen, told Anadolu Agency that only young Turkmen of fighting age still remained in Bayirbucak.

‘No Daesh presence’

Turkmen civilians in Bayirbucak, which is located in Syria’s Latakia province, say the Daesh militant group has no presence in the area.

A number of Turkmen told Anadolu Agency that Russian claims of a Daesh presence in Bayirbucak were little more than a pretext intended to justify ongoing Russian airstrikes in the area.

"Everyone is using Daesh as a pretext to intervene in Syria," said Mustafa. "Daesh isn’t in the Turkmen Mountains; this is a big lie."

"If Russia really wanted to strike Daesh, why don’t they hit them in northern Aleppo where we’re already fighting them?" he asked.

Many Turkmen say they have been abandoned by the international community, saying they faced frequent attacks by Syrian regime forces, backed by Iran, Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Russian air power.

Ahmed Yusuf, 45, a civilian in Bayirbucak, told Anadolu Agency that Russian warplanes frequently struck "civilians targets and mosques in the area".

"Turkey has opened its borders to the [Turkmen] people," Bayirbucak resident Suhail Abdullah, 29, said. "But most of us don’t want to leave our villages."

"We’ve lived here for ages," he added. "We won’t leave our ancestral lands to anybody."

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/regime-russian-attacks-displacing-syrian-turkmen-group/481841

Militarov wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Zivo wrote:Shoigu confirmed, the second pilot is back at their base.  

“The [rescue] operation is successfully over. The pilot has been delivered to our base. Safe and sound,” Shoigu said during a meeting of the Defense Committee, adding that the operation was performed by Russian and Syrian special forces.

https://www.rt.com/news/323377-russian-pilot-saved-syria/

A Russian military helicopter was destroyed, and a Russian naval infantryman killed - according to the Russian government - all that to rescue a single airman, and they call it as successful?


And if Russia is allegedly fighting against the "Islamic State" then why was it attacking with these jets the ethnic Turkomans who actually fight against the "Islamic State" on the ground?

Infantryman < navigator, cruel but that is how military looks at it. When its about helicopter, its just a helicopter, US lost 8 last 2 months in regular flights out of combat zones.

Coz they also fight aganist regular Syrian Army? Maybe...

The naval infantry in Russia are considered as elite troops, perhaps not totally as elite as GRU Spietsnaz but still elite.

If Russia is only there to fight the "Islamic State" then that is what it should do, but no fight against others who are fighting against the IS.

There are now some allegations being made in the Western mass media that it is only the Western air forces that really fight agains the IS, while the Russians attack only the Free Syrian Army and its ethnic Turkoman allies.

It is Russia that looks dishonest here.

Specnaz GRU is military intelligence directorate substructure they are not comparable to naval infantry whatsoever, not even remotely. Naval infantry is still partially being manned by conscripts so...no. Training of one pilot costs far more than any other member of armed forces except few rare examples, one would trade pilot with 500 flying hours for squad of infantry no questions asked.

Russia NEVER said they are there to fight "only Islamic State", they are there to aid SAA, whoever is the enemy since SAA is the one and only legitimate armed force in Syria along with NDF. Also all those "rebels", "moderates", "Al Nusra", "Turkmens" and other fractions that you find along the way can be nicely placed in one bag.

Rodinazombie wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:A little of the Turkish media buttblasted about the poor innocent Turkmens getting slaughtered.

ANKARA  

Almost 7,000 Turkmen have recently been displaced due to repeated air and ground assaults by Syrian regime forces and Russian warplanes in Syria’s predominantly-Turkmen Bayirbucak region, according to a local Turkmen association.

Speaking to Anadolu Agency, Ahmed Vezir, secretary-general of the Association of Syrian Turks, said that 20 villages in Bayirbucak -- where some 17,000 people are estimated to live -- had been entirely vacated as a result of the recent upsurge of violence.

Vezir said that a number of Turkmen -- mostly women, children and elderly people -- had recently fled to the villages of Yamadi and Sallur near the Turkish border and to Turkey's southern Hatay province.

Turkey’s official disaster relief agency, AFAD, for its part, has set up a coordination center in Yamadi to organize the distribution of humanitarian aid to affected Turkmen families.

Over the last several days, approximately 2,000 Syrian Turkmen, fleeing the violence in their home country, have reportedly arrived in southern Turkey.

Turkmen are a Turkic ethnic group based largely in Syria and Iraq, where they live alongside large Arab and Kurdish populations. The Turkmen community, which includes both Sunni and Shia Muslims, shares close cultural affinities with the Turkish people.

Abdul-Rahman Mustafa, head of the Ankara-based Council of Syrian Turkmen, told Anadolu Agency that only young Turkmen of fighting age still remained in Bayirbucak.

‘No Daesh presence’

Turkmen civilians in Bayirbucak, which is located in Syria’s Latakia province, say the Daesh militant group has no presence in the area.

A number of Turkmen told Anadolu Agency that Russian claims of a Daesh presence in Bayirbucak were little more than a pretext intended to justify ongoing Russian airstrikes in the area.

"Everyone is using Daesh as a pretext to intervene in Syria," said Mustafa. "Daesh isn’t in the Turkmen Mountains; this is a big lie."

"If Russia really wanted to strike Daesh, why don’t they hit them in northern Aleppo where we’re already fighting them?" he asked.

Many Turkmen say they have been abandoned by the international community, saying they faced frequent attacks by Syrian regime forces, backed by Iran, Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Russian air power.

Ahmed Yusuf, 45, a civilian in Bayirbucak, told Anadolu Agency that Russian warplanes frequently struck "civilians targets and mosques in the area".

"Turkey has opened its borders to the [Turkmen] people," Bayirbucak resident Suhail Abdullah, 29, said. "But most of us don’t want to leave our villages."

"We’ve lived here for ages," he added. "We won’t leave our ancestral lands to anybody."

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/regime-russian-attacks-displacing-syrian-turkmen-group/481841

Now we know who he is :p

But seriously, do they show any evidence of turkmen fleeing the warzone? Its more than likely people are fleeing, but would be interesting to see which way they are going, much like refugees in donbass all went east to the supposed aggressor

arpakola wrote:
promised 2hunt down any oil truck leaving #ISIS land2 #Turkey.  #Russia said it hs destroyed 1000 oil tanke

KoTeMoRe wrote:

arpakola wrote:
promised 2hunt down any oil truck leaving #ISIS land2 #Turkey.  #Russia said it hs destroyed 1000 oil tanke

That' afghanistan, but the 1000 tankers is probably true.

flamming_python wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Odin of Ossetia wrote:

Zivo wrote:Shoigu confirmed, the second pilot is back at their base.  

“The [rescue] operation is successfully over. The pilot has been delivered to our base. Safe and sound,” Shoigu said during a meeting of the Defense Committee, adding that the operation was performed by Russian and Syrian special forces.

https://www.rt.com/news/323377-russian-pilot-saved-syria/

A Russian military helicopter was destroyed, and a Russian naval infantryman killed - according to the Russian government - all that to rescue a single airman, and they call it as successful?


And if Russia is allegedly fighting against the "Islamic State" then why was it attacking with these jets the ethnic Turkomans who actually fight against the "Islamic State" on the ground?

Infantryman < navigator, cruel but that is how military looks at it. When its about helicopter, its just a helicopter, US lost 8 last 2 months in regular flights out of combat zones.

Coz they also fight aganist regular Syrian Army? Maybe...

The naval infantry in Russia are considered as elite troops, perhaps not totally as elite as GRU Spietsnaz but still elite.

If Russia is only there to fight the "Islamic State" then that is what it should do, but no fight against others who are fighting against the IS.

There are now some allegations being made in the Western mass media that it is only the Western air forces that really fight agains the IS, while the Russians attack only the Free Syrian Army and its ethnic Turkoman allies.

It is Russia that looks dishonest here.

Specnaz GRU is military intelligence directorate substructure they are not comparable to naval infantry whatsoever, not even remotely. Naval infantry is still partially being manned by conscripts so...no. Training of one pilot costs far more than any other member of armed forces except few rare examples, one would trade pilot with 500 flying hours for squad of infantry no questions asked.

Russia NEVER said they are there to fight "only Islamic State", they are there to aid SAA, whoever is the enemy since SAA is the one and only legitimate armed force in Syria along with NDF. Also all those "rebels", "moderates", "Al Nusra", "Turkmens" and other fractions that you find along the way can be nicely placed in one bag.

Some conscripts go into the Spetsnaz too, just FYI

And yes, the Marines are not 'elite' in the sense that in terms of combat-training; there are no worse and no better trained than the motor-rifles infantry and the VDV troops. They are all fairly equivalent; but ofc the Marines and VDV often have their own specific training that regular infantry do not, depending on their exact role (paradrops, amphibious operations, etc...)

KiloGolf wrote:

flamming_python wrote:The S-300F, S-400 and Su-30 escorts should significantly tip the odds into the Russian favour.

Is the Kuznetsov carrier armed with offensive missiles still? I remember it used to have a VLS but that also that a recent refit may have removed it.

Vann7 wrote:

Anyone knows what Russian Liberals.. like Kudrin and others
say about the whole Syria thing? and about Turkey conflict with Russia?

just curious..in which side they are now..and what they say Russia needs to
do to solve Turkey ,Syria and Ukraine.

Turkish warplanes made an ambush for the Russian Su-24M bomber, otherwise they would not have had enough time to take off from an airbase and reach the area, Col. Gen. Viktor Bondarev said Friday.

DETAILS TO FOLLOW

"On November 23-26, Russian Aerospace Forces' aircraft have conducted 134 sorties, hitting 449 targets in the provinces of Aleppo, Damascus, Idlib, Latakia, Hama, Homs, Raqqa and Deir ez-Zor," Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

Russian military jets destroyed an ISIL ammunition depot and groups of al-Nusra Front terrorists in Syria, Konashenkov said.

"Outside the town of Al-Qaryatein, in the province of Homs, a Russian Su-24M bomber destroyed a grounded ammo depot. After a pinpoint strike by an OFAB-250-270 air bomb explosives detonated, and the depot was totally destroyed."

He underscored that outside the town of Zaitan in the province of Idlib a squadron of Su-25 ground attack jets carried out airstrikes against groups of al-Nusra Front militants.

"The direct hits of Russian air bombs destroyed one tank, two armored vehicles, and three mortar-carrying vehicles. The enemy sustained serious losses in personnel," he added.

The Russian aviation continued to carry out airstrikes against oil refining facilities of the Islamic State (ISIL) terrorist group in Syria, spokesperson for the Russian Defense Ministry told journalists.

"On November 24, a Russian Su-34 bomber conducted an airstrike against a motorcade of oil-loading trucks and oil refining and storage facilities near the oil fields in northern and eastern Syria, in the province of Deir ez-Zor and Raqqa," he said.

According to the Defense Ministry, armed groups of militants blocked near Tel-Bissa and ar-Rastan continue to sustain losses, due to the airstrikes.

He noted that on the directions of Mkhin and Al-Quaryatein the militants stepped back by four-six kilometers.

"Today, we’re once again demonstrating, with the use of objective video monitoring data, the results of the combat operations of our aviation against terrorist positions," the spokesperson said.

Extremists continue to suffer major losses due to Russia's airstrikes, Konashenkov said.