Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #6

Interesting comment in Moscow yesterday that ZH has picked up on

However, what was most notable in today's update by the Russian defense ministry was neither the news about the sub, or the second ship deployment, but what Putin told Shoigu during their conversation according to the Kremlin's transcript. Which is as follows:

Regarding the submarine strikes we must, of course, analyze everything that happens on the battlefield, how the weapons acts. Both the "Kalibrs" and the X-101 rockets as a whole proved to be very good. This new, modern, highly efficient, and highly precise weapon can be equipped with both a conventional warhead as well as a special, nuclear warhead. Naturally, in the fight against terrorism that is unnecessary, and I hope there will be no need [to use nukes against the Islamic State].

But, if it is.... which of course was the unsaid message: Russia not only can deploy tactical nuclear warheads to Syria overnight, but it may, "not now", but eventually be forced to use them against "the Islamic State."

And just like that Putin hinted that the Syrian proxy war, as it escalates ever wider and drags in increasingly more countries in true "world war" fashion, may just have one or more mushroom clouds in its near future; clouds which will will target none other than the CIA's pet project designed to take down Assad - the Islamic State. We are not sure if this particular cloud will have a silver lining, but we are confident that not even Turkey will want to buy ISIS oil if it happens to have the same radioactivity profile as Fukushima.

Kremlin transcript, sorry in Russian http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50892

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-08/putin-hopes-there-will-be-no-need-nuke-islamic-state

on Another note.. people should be ready for more Turkey tricks.. I will not be surprised if they
shutdown their own plane ,(In reality a pilot eject from an old plane they were planning to decommission), near Syrian border but on turkey side and later claim Russia did it.  This is something ,that erdogan could try to get more support from their own population and justify closing the Bosphorus strait or retaliate back. Or it could be a plane over the bosphorus strait and claim it was Russia manpad who did it. They have things already on place to make Turkey people
believe that. False flag attacks is the favorite tool of Rogue nations to justify their hostilities on another country and or raise the public unity with the government.  i will be surprised if Turkey does not try a false flag like that ,before the end of year. Or maybe a claim that a cruise missile launched by Russia aimed at Syria ,hit a civilian town in Turkey. After that you will see the usual Trolls claiming Russia did it .  

So now every little Kilo class sub can qualify as nuke sub?

Me like!

Vann7 wrote:

on Another note.. people should be ready for more Turkey tricks.. I will not be surprised if they
shutdown their own plane ,(something they were planning to decommission), near Syrian border
but on turkey side and later claim Russia did it.  This is something ,that erdogan could try to get more support from their own population and justify closing the Bosphorus strait or retaliate back.
False flag attacks is the favorite tool of Rogue nations to justify their hostilities on another country and or raise the public unity with the government.

Meh, Turkey is roasting in the owen and Russia just keeps adding gravy and heat. Should be done by Christmas.

They screwed themselves over big time with that stunt.

Russian Jets Carried Out 82 Sorties, Hit 204 Terrorist Targets in Syria

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151209/1031478684/russia-syria-82-airstrikes.html

Russian warplanes have carried out 82 sorties and hit 204 terrorist targets in Syria in past 24 hours, the Russian Defense Ministry said Wednesday.

"In the last 24 hours, Russian jets conducted 82 sorties against 204 terrorist targets in Syria, located in the provinces of Aleppo, Idlib, Latakia, Hama and Homs. Furthermore, 32 of the sorties were conducted at night," the ministry's spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

The airstrikes involved Su-24M, Su-25SM and Su-34 strike aircraft carrying out missions with escort by Su-30 Flanker-C fighter jets.
After the combat missions all aircraft have safely returned to the Hmeymim airbase, the spokesman added.

Since September 30, Russia has been conducting an aerial campaign in Syria against the Islamic State (ISIL, or Daesh in Arabic) extremist group, which is outlawed in Russia, following a request from President Bashar Assad.

A Russian Kilo-class submarine Rostov-on-Don located in the Mediterranean Sea launched a salvo of the Kalibr cruise missiles targeting terrorist positions, Konashenkov told journalists.

Russian Kilo-class Rostov-on-Don submarine, deployed in the Mediterranean Sea, fired on Tuesday Kalibr cruise missiles targeting Islamic State (Daesh in Arabic) positions in Syria.

The submarine fired missiles in a salvo from torpedo tubes while submerged.

What people in Raqqa claim to be section of Kalibr SLCM from yesterday.

Part of american rocket found at the position where SAA troops were bombed by an aircraft.



http://lifenews.ru/news/174324

Vann7 wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

Vann7 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to be a Russian strike actually.

Suppose it's 'good' news; at least we wouldn't know for sure that it was a mistake and not someone's idea of a litmus test for some further provocation.

From you nothing will surprise me.. you are very quick to blame Russian government
for anything than to claim the west lies about anything that happens in conflicts they create . I still remember how you blamed Russia for the mH17 plane in ukraine. As if Russia did not have ways to know the difference between a civilian airliner and a combat plane.

Calm down Vann. You are not being fair and you know it. If you think that Russia is a untouchable beacon of truth, you have a lot to learn too.

This have nothing to do with calm.. is annoying that every time CNN or Pentagon claims anything the usual people give credibility to their claims without any evidence. and give less weight to any allegation made by Russia military general command. It is absurd. Specially when we know how much the west lies. I guess they also believe Russian SU-24 plane invaded Turkey because erdogan says it ,and that Russia was to blame for its shutdown is totally inverted logic.  Russia MOD already is saying their radars have evidence of 4 US planes were flying in the attacked zone of the Syrian army at the time of the incident. And the Syrian Army sources have detailed reports of how the whole thing began.. A coordinated attack by ISIS and some forums members lovely USA.  If anyone wants to know what happened in the attack on the Syrian base. the attackers knew very well were Syria supplies warehouses were located. it was not an "accident" but a well coordinated attack. So ignore the trolls in this forum that are always so quick to dismiss any Russian MoD military report and instead give more credit to anything Pentagon or CNN says and read here..

http://syrianperspective.com/2015/12/syrian-army-thwarts-americanisis-attack-on-its-base-in-dayr-el-zor-as-russia-opens-two-airbases-al-waer-ecstatic-after-withdrawal-of-terrorists.html

I'm asking you to be more reasonable and to look at all sides of the story. I am not questioning whether the VKS is behind the strike or not.

If you want my opinion, I disagree with Flaming Python on this. The VKS is closely coordinating their bombardments with the Syrian MoD and it is not very plausible that the anyone on the Russian/Syrian side would give a massive Tu-22M3 the green light to level an area if it was not known what it was. This was repeated by the Russian MoD just minutes ago.

The munitions used to hit the base were definitely small as KoTeMoRe pointed out, but if the SAA took a full rack from the Tu-22M3, the devastation would be even worse. There where not many impact craters visible too. Western munitions which might be responsible are the Brimstone, Hellfire, and SDB. Even the lightest JDAM variant would have caused far greater damage than was visible there especially with the direct hit on that vehicle (I compared what the Mk-82 JDAM has done to vehicles in the previous theatres). The SDB has been procured by the USAF but there hasn't been any indication I've seen of the SDB seeing use against ISIS yet. The Brimstone is currently deployed with the RAF. As with the AGM-114 being a staple of US UCAVs, but those UCAVs seem to be there for more reconnaissance as most attacks have been carried out by fighters. The lack of fragments is still curious. I'm suspecting that the RAF was the perpetrator. They also were operating around Deir-ez-Zor around that time of the attack. Of course, as always with these types of things, this is from what I can tell, I'm no forensics expert and there is a lot of information that I don't know.

Someone, somewhere will know just by looking at that photo what the weapon was which leads to who launched it.

Another Ropucha LLS has joined the Syrian Express. Last seen back in April, 127 Minsk has just gone north into the Black Sea. Their carrying capacity is just under 500 tons and space enough to fit 25 APC in.

No 'real' warship has left the Black Sea for a while now.

JohninMK wrote:Someone, somewhere will know just by looking at that photo what the weapon was which leads to who launched it.

MS-3A fuze appears to be a Chinese mortar fuze.

See download.cabledrum.net/wikileaks_archive/file/worldwide-fuze-identification-guide-dec-1997.pdf

ult wrote:Part of american rocket found at the position where SAA troops were bombed by an aircraft.



http://lifenews.ru/news/174324

That looks like a Chinese 100mm mortar fuse. Notice the timer.

I would like to see more about it as it isn't exactly the same fuse.

War Is On The Horizon: Is It Too Late To Stop It? — Paul Craig Roberts

One lesson from military history is that once mobilization for war begins, it takes on a momentum of its own and is uncontrollable.

This might be what is occuring unrecognized before our eyes.

In his September 28 speech at the 70th Anniversity of the United Nations, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Russia can no longer tolerate the state of affairs in the world. Two days later at the invitation of the Syrian government Russia began war against ISIS.

Russia was quickly successful in destroying ISIS arms depots and helping the Syrian army to roll back ISIS gains. Russia also destroyed thousands of oil tankers, the contents of which were financing ISIS by transporting stolen Syrian oil to Turkey where it is sold to the family of the current gangster who rules Turkey.

Washington was caught off guard by Russia’s decisiveness. Fearful that the quick success of such decisive action by Russia would discourage Washington’s NATO vassals from continuing to support Washington’s war against Assad and Washington’s use of its puppet government in Kiev to pressure Russia, Washington arranged for Turkey to shoot down a Russian fighter-bomber despite the agreement between Russia and NATO that there would be no air-to-air encounters in Russia’s area of air operation in Syria.

Although denying all responsibility, Washington used Russia’s low key response to the attack, for which Turkey did not apologize, to reassure Europe that Russia is a paper tiger. The Western presstitutes trumpeted: “Russia A Paper Tiger.” http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-shoots-down-a-paper-tiger-1448406008

The Russian government’s low key response to the provocation was used by Washington to reassure Europe that there is no risk in continuing to pressure Russia in the Middle East, Ukraine, Georgia, Montenegro, and elsewhere. Washington’s attack on Assad’s military is being used to reinforce the belief that is being inculcated in European governments that Russia’s responsible behavior to avoid war is a sign of fear and weakness.

It is unclear to what extent the Russian and Chinese governments understand that their independent policies, reaffirmed by the Russian and Chinese presidents On September 28, are regarded by Washington as “existential threats” to US hegemony.

The basis of US foreign policy is the commitment to prevent the rise of powers capable of constraining Washington’s unilateral action. The ability of Russia and China to do this makes them both a target.

Washington is not opposed to terrorism. Washington has been purposely creating terrorism for many years. Terrorism is a weapon that Washington intends to use to destabilize Russia and China by exporting it to the Muslim populations in Russia and China.

Washington is using Syria, as it used Ukraine, to demonstrate Russia’s impotence to Europe— and to China, as an impotent Russia is less attractive to China as an ally.

For Russia, responsible response to provocation has become a liability, because it encourages more provocation.

In other words, Washington and the gullibility of its European vassals have put humanity in a very dangerous situation, as the only choices left to Russia and China are to accept American vassalage or to prepare for war.

Putin must be respected for putting more value on human life than do Washington and its European vassals and avoiding military responses to provocations. However, Russia must do something to make the NATO countries aware that there are serious costs of their accommodation of Washington’s aggression against Russia. For example, the Russian government could decide that it makes no sense to sell energy to European countries that are in a de facto state of war against Russia. With winter upon us, the Russian government could announce that Russia does not sell energy to NATO member countries. Russia would lose the money, but that is cheaper than losing one’s sovereignty or a war.

To end the conflict in Ukraine, or to escalate it to a level beyond Europe’s willingness to participate, Russia could accept the requests of the breakaway provinces to be reunited with Russia. For Kiev to continue the conflict, Ukraine would have to attack Russia herself.

The Russian government has relied on responsible, non-provocative responses. Russia has taken the diplomatic approach, relying on European governments coming to their senses, realizing that their national interests diverge from Washington’s, and ceasing to enable Washington’s hegemonic policy. Russia’s policy has failed. To repeat, Russia’s low key, responsible responses have been used by Washington to paint Russia as a paper tiger that no one needs to fear.

We are left with the paradox that Russia’s determination to avoid war is leading directly to war.

Whether or not the Russian media, Russian people, and the entirety of the Russian government understand this, it must be obvious to the Russian military. All that Russian military leaders need to do is to look at the composition of the forces sent by NATO to “combat ISIS.” As George Abert notes, the American, French, and British aircraft that have been deployed are jet fighters whose purpose is air-to-air combat, not ground attack. The jet fighters are not deployed to attack ISIS on the ground, but to threaten the Russian fighter-bombers that are attacking ISIS ground targets.

There is no doubt that Washington is driving the world toward Armageddon, and Europe is the enabler. Washington’s bought-and-paid-for-puppets in Germany, France, and UK are either stupid, unconcerned, or powerless to escape from Washington’s grip. Unless Russia can wake up Europe, war is inevitable.

Have the totally evil, dumbshit neocon warmongers who control the US government taught Putin that war is inevitable? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QxWYIAtCMU#action=share

KoTeMoRe wrote:

ult wrote:Part of american rocket found at the position where SAA troops were bombed by an aircraft.



http://lifenews.ru/news/174324

That looks like a Chinese 100mm mortar fuse. Notice the timer.

I would like to see more about it as it isn't exactly the same fuse.

One thing is sure, its not part of missile or rocket. Some kind of an artillery fuse, mortar most likely.

Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.

KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.

...And there's your perpetrator.

Turkish PM accuses Russia of 'ethnic cleansing' in Syria

Maybe Turkey can teach Russia a thing or two about the proper way of Ethnic cleansing (Armenian Genocide)

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.

...And there's your perpetrator.

It still is a Mortar round. Improbable to have been used for any aerial bomb. This might be from ISIS shelling. not the actual bombing. After looking at the footage, there' actually a lot of well aimed damage, at least 4/5 bmp's and their crews. I see 4 small craters that have pepperd the BMP's and troops. Stil very weird.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.

...And there's your perpetrator.

It still is a Mortar round. Improbable to have been used for any aerial bomb. This might be from ISIS shelling. not the actual bombing. After looking at the footage, there' actually a lot of well aimed damage, at least 4/5 bmp's and their crews. I see 4 small craters that have pepperd the BMP's and troops. Stil very weird.

Well, it could have been mortar fuse used on some improvised missile.

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.

...And there's your perpetrator.

It still is a Mortar round. Improbable to have been used for any aerial bomb. This might be from ISIS shelling. not the actual bombing. After looking at the footage, there' actually a lot of well aimed damage, at least 4/5 bmp's and their crews. I see 4 small craters that have pepperd the BMP's and troops. Stil very weird.

Well, it could have been mortar fuse used on some improvised missile.

That too, but that would mean the airstrike never happened. A very elaborate ploy from ISIS to stir things up, firing missiles on the base, while planes were flying overhead...that would be something.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Militarov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.

...And there's your perpetrator.

It still is a Mortar round. Improbable to have been used for any aerial bomb. This might be from ISIS shelling. not the actual bombing. After looking at the footage, there' actually a lot of well aimed damage, at least 4/5 bmp's and their crews. I see 4 small craters that have pepperd the BMP's and troops. Stil very weird.

Well, it could have been mortar fuse used on some improvised missile.

That too, but that would mean the airstrike never happened. A very elaborate ploy from ISIS to stir things up, firing missiles on the base, while planes were flying overhead...that would be something.

Divide et impera.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Ivan the Colorado wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:Also, the type 89 mortar that usually gets the MS-3 hasn't been exported to Syria. However it was exported to Libya, Sudan, UAE, and half the African continent.

...And there's your perpetrator.

It still is a Mortar round. Improbable to have been used for any aerial bomb. This might be from ISIS shelling. not the actual bombing. After looking at the footage, there' actually a lot of well aimed damage, at least 4/5 bmp's and their crews. I see 4 small craters that have pepperd the BMP's and troops. Stil very weird.

Even more so. Hmm, I wonder how a round manufactured in China that is sold to numerous foreign clients around the world ended up in terrorist hands that are in deep with the same people that supported bin Laden all those years ago? Surely, it must be a coincidence that these same people live in a country that happens to be one of the clients for China's mortar rounds.

Found a new Su-34 in Hmeymim.



Comparison.



Video source, December 9, TVC channel. http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/82469

Turkish Premier Davutoglu Says Russian Airstrikes in Syria Strengthen Islamic State

By DION NISSENBAUM
Updated Dec. 9, 2015 2:47 p.m. ET
ISTANBUL—Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu on Wednesday accused Russia of carrying out a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Turkmen minority in Syria,

http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkish-prime-minister-davutoglu-says-russian-airstrikes-against-rebels-strengthen-islamic-state-1449674122