Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #8

calm wrote:

From #Hmeymim airbase will withdraw all Su-25SM (12),all Su-34 (~. Planned will remain ~12 Su-24M,all Su-30SM/35S (~8)and all helicopters

https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/710124803097812992

Interesting. I assume Mi-35 and Mi-28N will take the job of Su-25 and Ka-52 will take a job of Su-34. I think RuAF will now more concentrate on night attacks, specially Ka-52 will do precision attacks with Ataka and Vikhr ATGMs. Precision attacks by Su-30SM and Su-35 instead of Su-34 will be also good promotion for them in international market. This will make them more combat proven as just air protection fighters.

medo wrote:

calm wrote:

From #Hmeymim airbase will withdraw all Su-25SM (12),all Su-34 (~. Planned will remain ~12 Su-24M,all Su-30SM/35S (~8)and all helicopters

https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/710124803097812992

Interesting. I assume Mi-35 and Mi-28N will take the job of Su-25 and Ka-52 will take a job of Su-34. I think RuAF will now more concentrate on night attacks, specially Ka-52 will do precision attacks with Ataka and Vikhr ATGMs. Precision attacks by Su-30SM and Su-35 instead of Su-34 will be also good promotion for them in international market. This will make them more combat proven as just air protection fighters.

A cynic might point out that now the really serious stuff is to all intents and purposes over, the Russian MoD aircraft marketing department have finally won the battle to showcase current production products in action, rather than old unsaleable stuff like the SU-24.

"Lets get some decent orders on the books" is the new battle cry echoing round Moscow.

Short clip of four Su-25 flying home with their groundcrews. Looks to be shot from their fighter escort. Is it a Su-30 or 35?

Another brilliant move showing how these operations should be done, for a change.

MOSCOW – Russia says it is aiming to step up humanitarian aid to Syria's war-battered people by opening up its military facilities in Syria for international aid cargos.

Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said Monday that Russia "is ready to provide all necessary help to international and foreign organizations in the delivery of humanitarian aid."

He said this assistance will include allowing the unloading and temporary storage of aid cargos at the Russian naval base in Tartus, as well as receiving and storing aid at the air base in Hemeimeem.

Konashenkov said Russia is also ready to provide vehicles to help deliver cargos from Tartus and Hemeimeem to Syrian regions in need.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/07/russia-to-open-its-syria-bases-to-international-aid-cargos.html

Maybe this replacement indicate change to urban combat. Su-24 will still be good enough to bomb terrorist convoys in desert, but to provide precise support to ground forces in urban battlefields those combat helicopters are more suitable than Su-25 as they carry ATGMs with smaller warheads. ATGMs with thermobaric warheads will work best for destroying terrorist hotspots. Ka-52 fly higher than 5000m and is equipped with radar, data link and powerful EO complex with thermal imager. Ataka and Vikhr missiles will keep them outside the range of any MANPAD and they are also equipped with President-S self protection complex. Ka-52 could work as command post for a group like Su-34 did and coordinate the work of Mi-28N and Mi-35 inside the group.

It would be great to see combat videos from Ka-52 destroying terrorists like we see from Su-34.

JohninMK wrote:Short clip of four Su-25 flying home with their groundcrews. Looks to be shot from their fighter escort. Is it a Su-30 or 35?

Su-30SM.

Great pic.

[quote="medo"]

JohninMK wrote:Short clip of four Su-25 flying home with their groundcrews. Looks to be shot from their fighter escort. Is it a Su-30 or 35?

Su-30SM.

Thanks

+1
I aggree with Morpheus for what he said about "punching below their weight" there are to many countries that do not use their weight correctly and i hope they got the signal to crush their weight against anything thrown against them.

I also aggree that mods should FFS do their job, you do actually realize that the reputation and the frequency of actual contributers to this forum has decreased because of Trolls, who are spamming like ultron did 5 times after his own posts, that is not just spamming but trolling and it does not get more obvious. Do your job, i know you don't want to be struck as the boo guy who wields the magic wand of banning, but once in a while do it for the rest of us who are trying to contribute. With your current path of non existing actions against obvious trolls and spammers you are only encouraging the decadency of this forum by constant influx of such people and their double accounts. This isn't about you, it is about this forum. I hope i will see this forum in 5-10 years still alive, so please do your job people or we need someone who is less concerned with his reputation as being overly fair.

medo wrote:Maybe this replacement indicate change to urban combat. Su-24 will still be good enough to bomb terrorist convoys in desert, but to provide precise support to ground forces in urban battlefields those combat helicopters are more suitable than Su-25 as they carry ATGMs with smaller warheads. ATGMs with thermobaric warheads will work best for destroying terrorist hotspots. Ka-52 fly higher than 5000m and is equipped with radar, data link and powerful EO complex with thermal imager. Ataka and Vikhr missiles will keep them outside the range of any MANPAD and they are also equipped with President-S self protection complex. Ka-52 could work as command post for a group like Su-34 did and coordinate the work of Mi-28N and Mi-35 inside the group.

It would be great to see combat videos from Ka-52 destroying terrorists like we see from Su-34.

They use Vitebsk (domestic) President-S (export) the Vitebsk uses sensor fusion along with Moving Map aid, TWICMS support and weapon aid support, if can call it that way (Shtora like counter aim) to get a better comprehension of what i indicate by that.

It is exactly as i have expected, the big birds go, their job of strategic/tactical bombing is done for the most part, now it is time for demoralization on all front lines by Gunships, with precision attacks and you can be certain there will be enough videos of gun engagements soon all part of the demoralization campaign which is now the core to let ground troops get their way in key points. Soon we will see headshots by Ka-52, 1-2m CEP is unbelievable.

Splash of MSM, comments are revealing:

Russian fighter jets 'continue Syria raids' as troops withdraw

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/15/russian-fighter-jets-continue-syria-raids-as-troops-withdraw


ALSO: Can't wait to see Mi-28 and Ka-52 in action.

Anyone that claims this is a "brilliant move" , that Putin "outplayed" the west.
have to be delusional. This is nothing but leaving an ally ALONE in the middle of a war.
The less Bad thing Russia can do , is offer a territory in Russia to Syrians to live ,to alawis,Christians and Assad supporters ,that are fighting NATO sponsored terrorist. before Syria is totally overrun by US/Israel jihadist forces.

This is Because Putins knows very well , that this pullout from Syria will only encourage Syrian Enemies to double their efforts to continue taking more territory. Just yesterday. ISIS began a major offensive of 2 days on Deizur with NO RUssian airforce help. You have to be kidding , to
claim this move of Russia "promotes peace" as Lavrov claimed. This is nothing but a slap in the
face of Assad. and civilians have to be really upset with Russia now.

Terrorist do not respect peace ,they only respect Force. and it was only Russian Bombs
what forced many ISIS terrorist to retreat from Syria and no Bull SHIT diplomacy.

So unless the rumors posted earlier are true. that either Russia is preparing for a major full scale war with Turkey (or a major split with Syrian Government policies ,were Russia wants Assad to give away kurds controlled territory for peace and Syria dont) and is only evacuating the base as much as possible because they know will be attacked and will be difficult to defend it in such location , just withing 35km of Turkey border. ie. at range of Turkey Artillery. and that Russia is simply positioning its forces away from the initial attack.   Unless there is something
big that Russia is aware and we dont that will happen then Russia actions in Syria cannot be seen in any other way ,that leaving their allies alone.

What Russia is doing will be similar ,as if you see a friend being attacked by its neighbors on its house ,and then you go separate the fight and give your friend a weapon to fight back..but then the neighbors unite to fight back harder their friend. and then instead of standing with your friend until the end ,you go and flee the conflict ,you helped to make bigger by encouraging your friend to fight ,knowing well they had no chance to win.  

Regardless of what it is.. i stand by my claims ,that Russia foreign policy is terrible. Is Irresponsible and is even close to criminal. Because you don't go , and encourage small nations
that have no chance to oppose NATO ,to fight for their independence , and give false hopes
to them ,that they will not be alone ,and later see Russia running away from the battlefield
at the first opportunity/excuse they find.  

Russia is protesting Serbia to join NATO... but what will Russia do? Will Russia stand with Serbia to the end if they attacked by NATO or invaded by Terrorist like Syria armed by US and Israel? or will they pull another Syria in Serbia and leave the conflict in middle of a war?

Russia do have the rights to only defend its nation and nothing else. but it doesn't have the right to MISLEAD its allies , encouraging them to be independent and oppose NATO ,full knowing they have no way to fight back if NATO attack them. . So if Russia plans to only risk war ,only in defense of its nation territory , then they need to get hell out of any place of the world and stop lecturing others about opposing US imperialism if they have no plans to backup its allies as NATO is under obligation to do if any attacked..

d_taddei2 wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

medo wrote:

calm wrote:

From #Hmeymim airbase will withdraw all Su-25SM (12),all Su-34 (~. Planned will remain ~12 Su-24M,all Su-30SM/35S (~8)and all helicopters

https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/710124803097812992

Interesting. I assume Mi-35 and Mi-28N will take the job of Su-25 and Ka-52 will take a job of Su-34. I think RuAF will now more concentrate on night attacks, specially Ka-52 will do precision attacks with Ataka and Vikhr ATGMs. Precision attacks by Su-30SM and Su-35 instead of Su-34 will be also good promotion for them in international market. This will make them more combat proven as just air protection fighters.

A cynic might point out that now the really serious stuff is to all intents and purposes over, the Russian MoD aircraft marketing department have finally won the battle to showcase current production products in action, rather than old unsaleable stuff like the SU-24.

"Lets get some decent orders on the books" is the new battle cry echoing round Moscow.

I wouldn't write off the Su-24M as a saleable item, there is still many poorer countries that would welcome the use of Su-24M, still a capable aircraft. As for the people mentioning the use of Mi-28 and Ka-52 now this will be good to see, can wait for the footage. What happened to the Su-27SM in Syria? have they left? i thought it would be worth keeping the older aircraft in Syria.

There were no SU27SM in Syria from what i am aware.

Su24M is possible to sell, however basically only to countries already operating them like Syria, Iran and maybe Sudan. Other operators are about to switch to other platforms and rest of the countries are mostly not interested in buying strike aircrafts built 30 years ago on average. They would rather buy something like used multirole fighters, F16MLD or Mirage-2000.

Everyone losing their tits over this limited withdrawal, please leave the room. You are not understanding the implications of this move on a regional or global scale.

Jihadist revolution in Syria in a nutshell:

Well this just happened....March 6th Ankara, Turkey hosted the International Caliphate Congress...and get this...it was hosted at the Ataturk Sport Hall...









Radical Islamist Hizb ut-Tahrir calls for caliphate in grand meeting in Ankara


#AlQaedaFlagWavingThugLife

This one is for KoTeMoRe to dissect:

Werewolf wrote:I also aggree that mods should FFS do their job, you do actually realize that the reputation and the frequency of actual contributers to this forum has decreased because of Trolls, who are spamming like ultron did 5 times after his own posts, that is not just spamming but trolling and it does not get more obvious. Do your job, i know you don't want to be struck as the boo guy who wields the magic wand of banning, but once in a while do it for the rest of us who are trying to contribute. With your current path of non existing actions against obvious trolls and spammers you are only encouraging the decadency of this forum by constant influx of such people and their double accounts. This isn't about you, it is about this forum. I hope i will see this forum in 5-10 years still alive, so please do your job people or we need someone who is less concerned with his reputation as being overly fair.

+1

Spot on.

https://www.rt.com/on-air/putin-awards-russian-military/

magnumcromagnon wrote:This one is for KoTeMoRe to dissect:

PN19K5 Night vision sight from NPZ. Nice little things the Syrians are getting with their 74M's. Something however is even more funny, guy's wearing Iranian made boots seen mostly with the Al Nujaba, Iraqi Hezbullah crowd.

I also aggree that mods should FFS do their job, you do actually realize that the reputation and the frequency of actual contributers to this forum has decreased because of Trolls, who are spamming like ultron did 5 times after his own posts, that is not just spamming but trolling and it does not get more obvious.

You claim it is a clear cut case of Spamming/Trolling, but when I look at Ultrons posts I see someone upset and frustrated with Putins decisions, who thinks "they" have been betrayed.

I think Putins decision to withdraw aircraft came as a genuine surprise to everyone, and I think as usual Vann and Ultron are over reacting... just as you are now demanding they get a ban for expressing their opinion.

If someone can't take a little anti Putin opinion then I think there is no where else on the net where they will find a safe place to be... opinions on Putin differ widely even amongst Russians who don't all love him and everything he does... and I am sure Putin himself would say Putin worship is unhealthy and that he is not perfect by any stretch.

Everyone is allowed to have a rant from time to time, including yourself on several occasions... I am not banning people for that.

I admit I have been a bit busy lately but will be shifting a few things and deleting a few other things that are not in the right place over the next few hours.

ult wrote:

So they are just being unpacked? Nice!!!

I guess we'll be posting fun stuff on this tread yet...

Just here to quickly reassure you guys that nothing will change.

So far these left airbase:
2 sq of Su-25SM - (44, 53, 27, 25, 22, 24, 21, 31)
1 sq of Su-24M2 -(81, 78, 79, 74)
1 sq of  Su-34 - (03, 25, 22, 28)
16 planes in total.

Still at the airbase.

plus Mi-28 and Ka-50

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