Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #10

MANPADS vs Mi-8 event from Oct. 8:

http://nortwolf-sam.livejournal.com/1539511.html

Well looks like the system works...

Where are the flares ?

Isos wrote:Where are the flares ?

There are much more sophisticated solutions at work..we have seen Russian heli's in Syria equipped with the President-S protection. That's a multi-layered countermeasures system which among other things also includes flares.

VIDEO: #RuAF Mi-28 providing CAS to #SAA/#NDF troops in Rif #Homs

plz delete

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

eehnie wrote: https://sputniknews.com/politics/201610211046579169-turkey-strikes-syria/

"As for reports of Turkish Air Force airstrikes in northern Syrian regions, we have heard about these statements. We are very alarmed about what is happening. As I understand it, we are talking about attacks on areas inhabited by the Kurds," Lavrov said at a briefing.

And precisely where he was talking about shooting down Turkish planes? C´mon what Lavrov can say?  bomb Kurds as long as they are with US you got green light from us?

eehnie wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:Rigth  didnt you say Putin gave up Syria ? and ukrine and Russia needs a leader with deep insight into situation as you?      

You have to prove the first. And you can not because it is a lie. Are you a liar?

Frankly? your posts are so alike full with emotions little with content so I respectfully let you find those posts

Where was? In the next line of the part you quoted was the following link:

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201610201046563240-syria-retaliation-turkey-airstrikes/

"The Syrian army warns that it is ready to shoot down Turkish warplanes by any means available if they attempt to once again violate the Syrian airspace," the army general command said in a statement.

Why do you think Russia has been helping Syria to rebuild their air defense?

The bolded part of your comment is the silliest thing I ever read in this forum, being refered to Turkey, NATO member and the home of US nuclear weapons looking at Russia. What must I think? I have two options. You are totally silly, or you have interested double standards for the Kurds and for the Turks and you are trolling us.

About the second part of your comment, the part about your lie about my comments, it seems that the answer to my question is yes, you are. It goes in line with the option of you having double standards for the Kurds and the Turks, and being trolling us.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Sorry to ruin things here guys, but just wanted to know if what this guy says about the use of thermobaric bombs being banned was true?
24:00

You do realize Al_Jizz_Smeara is a black propaganda outlet funded the Qatari House of Thani, and forget about the English version, Al Jizz Smeara Arabic  sounds exactly like Jihadi propaganda.

I know, i know, i was just wondering about that Thermobaric comment, that's all.
It was nothing compared to this interview, the guy representing Russia's view clearly has no F'ing clue.

Skandalwitwe wrote:

Isos wrote:Where are the flares ?

There are much more sophisticated solutions at work..we have seen Russian heli's in Syria equipped with the President-S protection. That's a multi-layered countermeasures system which among other things also includes flares.

It has to be, because the missile locked and we know the seeker will lock on anything past 70m (Iraqis fired it at Abrams), only it is 30m behind target at interception point, this has to be either a faulty seeker or a jammed seeker.

Skandalwitwe wrote:

Isos wrote:Where are the flares ?

There are much more sophisticated solutions at work..we have seen Russian heli's in Syria equipped with the President-S protection. That's a multi-layered countermeasures system which among other things also includes flares.

President-S is the inferior export equivalent of the domestic Vitebsk system that's actually used by the VKS. Vitebsk itself is actually on the lowest end of the totem pole as far as ECM systems deployed in Syria, on airborne platforms alone, it's blown away by the much more powerful Richag-AV (which the VKS is using in Syria), which has an effective diameter sphere of protection of 600km's.

eehnie wrote:

Where was? In the next line of the part you quoted was the following link:

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201610201046563240-syria-retaliation-turkey-airstrikes/

"The Syrian army warns that it is ready to shoot down Turkish warplanes by any means available if they attempt to once again violate the Syrian airspace," the army general command said in a statement.

Clearly you do not get this text. Turks came to Russia not other way around. Rhetoric has no meaning. Rhetoric is for public not for politicians

eehnie wrote:
Why do you think Russia has been helping Syria to rebuild their air defense?

The bolded part of your comment is the silliest thing I ever read in this forum, being refered to Turkey, NATO member and the home of US nuclear weapons looking at Russia. What must I think? I have two options. You are totally silly, or you have interested double standards for the Kurds and for the Turks and you are trolling us.

Again no understanding of simple text and mucho emotions. Read gain and try to focus please. Kurds are against Russia´s interest. They are working for USA. Against Iraq/Iran/Syria too. As long as they do this Turkey has green light to deal with Kurds.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Skandalwitwe wrote:

Isos wrote:Where are the flares ?

There are much more sophisticated solutions at work..we have seen Russian heli's in Syria equipped with the President-S protection. That's a multi-layered countermeasures system which among other things also includes flares.

President-S is the inferior export equivalent of the domestic Vitebsk system that's actually used by the VKS. Vitebsk itself is actually on the lowest end of the totem pole as far as ECM systems deployed in Syria, on airborne platforms alone, it's blown away by the much more powerful Richag-AV (which the VKS is using in Syria), which has an effective diameter sphere of protection of 600km's.

Manpads are IR guided. ECM are useless against them. I thought just flares can jamm them. Did they develope some laser destroying the captors of the missiles or electronics in it?

Now we can clearly see who supports terrorism and who fights against it.

https://www.rt.com/news/364140-russia-aircraft-carrier-spain-nato/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Top NATO & EU officials expressed anger at Spain’s permit reportedly issued to a Russian aircraft carrier group to take on fuel and supplies at Ceuta, a city with unclear political status. Spain says Russia’s warships have been mooring there “for years.”

A barrage of harsh statements followed when Spanish media reported that Russia’s naval battle group led by aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov would make a stopover at the autonomous port of Ceuta after passing the Straits of Gibraltar on Wednesday.

^
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/25/nato-fears-russian-battle-group-may-be-used-for-indiscriminate-t/
That's expensive, i wonder how much for a whole trip...

Russia’s military visits are estimated each to bring in more than £270,000 to the city through a combination of mooring fees, fuel and supplies, and the money spent by sailors during their time onshore.

higurashihougi wrote:Now we can clearly see who supports terrorism and who fights against it.

https://www.rt.com/news/364140-russia-aircraft-carrier-spain-nato/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

Top NATO & EU officials expressed anger at Spain’s permit reportedly issued to a Russian aircraft carrier group to take on fuel and supplies at Ceuta, a city with unclear political status. Spain says Russia’s warships have been mooring there “for years.”

A barrage of harsh statements followed when Spanish media reported that Russia’s naval battle group led by aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov would make a stopover at the autonomous port of Ceuta after passing the Straits of Gibraltar on Wednesday.

The operation of refueling in Ceuta (North Africa) has been cancelled. Not clear if Russia or Spain cancelled the operation, since there are contradictory news.

To put it clearly, the current Spanish President Mariano Rajoy was First Vicepresident (highest rank position after the President) of Jose María Aznar at the time of the Azore Island Summit in 2003.

eehnie wrote:..............
The operation of refueling in Ceuta (North Africa) has been cancelled. Not clear if Russia or Spain cancelled the operation, since there are contradictory news.

To put it clearly, the current Spanish President Mariano Rajoy was First Vicepresident (highest rank position after the President) of Jose María Aznar at the time of the Azore Island Summit in 2003.

Russia canceled this one probably because they don't want to cause too much grief for Spain. They want to keep refueling ships there in the future. This one was just too hot PR wise.

Big Kuz will probably dock in Malta.

They could also dock in Algeria.

1000 fun times

Paul Craig Roberts: ‘By Cooperating with Washington on Syria Russia Walked Into a Trap’
The article highlights in outline that:
1. The war crime probe hampers diplomatic and political efforts by Russia
2. Rise of the far right party in Poland
3. Election of Hilary leading to a possible direct hostilities between US and Russian military

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/10/26/paul-craig-roberts-by-cooperating-with-washington-on-syria-russia-walked-into-a-trap/

PapaDragon wrote:

eehnie wrote:..............
The operation of refueling in Ceuta (North Africa) has been cancelled. Not clear if Russia or Spain cancelled the operation, since there are contradictory news.

To put it clearly, the current Spanish President Mariano Rajoy was First Vicepresident (highest rank position after the President) of Jose María Aznar at the time of the Azore Island Summit in 2003.

Russia canceled this one probably because they don't want to cause too much grief for Spain. They want to keep refueling ships there in the future. This one was just too hot PR wise.

Big Kuz will probably dock in Malta.

I think Spaniards will enjoy Moorish conquest.

Isos wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Skandalwitwe wrote:

Isos wrote:Where are the flares ?

There are much more sophisticated solutions at work..we have seen Russian heli's in Syria equipped with the President-S protection. That's a multi-layered countermeasures system which among other things also includes flares.

President-S is the inferior export equivalent of the domestic Vitebsk system that's actually used by the VKS. Vitebsk itself is actually on the lowest end of the totem pole as far as ECM systems deployed in Syria, on airborne platforms alone, it's blown away by the much more powerful Richag-AV (which the VKS is using in Syria), which has an effective diameter sphere of protection of 600km's.

Manpads are IR guided. ECM are useless against them. I thought just flares can jamm them. Did they develope some laser destroying the captors of the missiles or electronics in it?

It's designed to defeat much more capable assets. You do realize that NATO has been aiding the rebels with ELINT/SIGNIT support? Your not going to be able to shoot down a fighter aircraft as effectively if you don't know the actual flight path in advance.

storm333 wrote:Paul Craig Roberts: ‘By Cooperating with Washington on Syria Russia Walked Into a Trap’
The article highlights  in outline that:
1. The war crime probe hampers diplomatic and political efforts by Russia
2. Rise of the far right party in Poland
3. Election of Hilary leading to a possible direct hostilities between US and Russian military

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/10/26/paul-craig-roberts-by-cooperating-with-washington-on-syria-russia-walked-into-a-trap/

Roberts goes into a lot more detail in this audio interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ix526AyFgY

Ka-31 in Syria !!!

https://twitter.com/KitadicaCool/status/791196647762063360/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Putin is making mistake not sending whole Russian army to Syria to kill all US commandos in Syria. (remember that troll guy on the forum that got banned? )

KA-31 with AEW! That sounds good. I'm liking this whole Syria op thing, can't wait till the Kuznetsov battle group arrives to the party, they're kind of late. Perfect AD denial asset, assuring no douchebag countries will try anything like engaging in a foreign intervention.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

eehnie wrote:

Where was? In the next line of the part you quoted was the following link:

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201610201046563240-syria-retaliation-turkey-airstrikes/

"The Syrian army warns that it is ready to shoot down Turkish warplanes by any means available if they attempt to once again violate the Syrian airspace," the army general command said in a statement.

Clearly you do not get this text. Turks came to Russia not other way around. Rhetoric has no meaning. Rhetoric is for public not for politicians

eehnie wrote:
Why do you think Russia has been helping Syria to rebuild their air defense?

The bolded part of your comment is the silliest thing I ever read in this forum, being refered to Turkey, NATO member and the home of US nuclear weapons looking at Russia. What must I think? I have two options. You are totally silly, or you have interested double standards for the Kurds and for the Turks and you are trolling us.

Again no understanding of simple text and mucho emotions. Read gain and try to focus please. Kurds are against Russia´s interest. They are working for USA. Against Iraq/Iran/Syria too. As long as they do this Turkey has green light to deal with Kurds.

All false. Nothing proved, nothing real in your comment.