Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #12

miketheterrible wrote:Apparently a good portion of it's components are indeed made in Russia. Not just assembled. Like Ford engines and various car parts use actual Russian components. But, of course the company part of agreements had to choose location of were parts come from, etc.

I know you think Russia does not produce electronic parts, or parts for anything and just assembles everything and imports everything.  But you are too far behind in the times.  May have been the case 10 years ago, not now.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/russia-developing-unmanned-forpost-m-435419/

Dubbed Forpost-M, the design will carry some Russian-developed payloads and datalinks. Russian sources say that some local companies have already received work orders to supply the required systems, and indicate that the United Instrument Making Corporation Rostek will be the lead contractor.

Some sources, claim, maybe, might... i can claim many things myself, doesnt make it true. Furthermore you are in your post refering to Forpost-M which at this moment doesnt rly exist, and which is supposed to be Russian UAV based on Searcher. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/russia-developing-unmanned-forpost-m-435419/

Also parts produced in Russia, no many of which are btw, are licenced.

Mission equipment in part is probably Russian, noone questions that, if it wasnt it would be very sad.

kvs wrote:

Militarov wrote:

Cyberspec wrote:

eehnie wrote:

http://in24.org/world/30302?utm_source=warfiles.ru
This is the israeli model of UAV that Russia is operating, if I'm not wrong.

Yes, Russian built version of the Searcher II

Ukraine is not the main responsible under these attacks. They would do it before in Novorussia

The type of explosive used in the drone munitions is not widely available. It's produced in Ukraine among a few other places hence they suspect it might have been supplied from there....but yeah, no definite proof so far

I prefer term "Russian assembled". Its Russian built as much as Fiat is Serbian built.

Would the mods give this troll a 5 day vacation like the other clown?    Troll is the correct tag here given
this clown's BS about how Russia can't replace precious Ukr marine turbine engines.    If visitors of this
board have to wade through NATO fanboi drivel, then there is not much point to this forum.   This forum
does not need to meet NATO fanboi fora half way.   The web needs a pro-Russia forum to counteract
the tide of anti-Russian propaganda coming from NATO (and its hordes of fanbois).

Stop doing Ctrl + V with your replies to me i dont care what you personally think. Come once to the comment with some argument beside "NATO fanboy" or something, stop being fkn child.

Neither this drone or the Steyr weapon cited before are between the most modern material in the Russian arsenals. And this is why they are present in this war. In the case of the Steryr weapon very likely until exhaustion. Modern material only appears in this war for testing, and not even the most modern material. To note that Syria is using these Steyr weapons too.

In the case of the drone, with the likely exhaustion of the Yak-Pchela drone this one becomes the second technologically oldest drone in the Russian arsenals, only after the Tu-143/243. So it is not rare to see it strongly used in Syria, used in Syria, if necessary until exhaustion. Even it is possible that some units of this drone can be given to Syria as military help.

Russia likes to prove that the sanctions make not the country unable of continue producing foreign material under license, but when the total reverse engineering is proved, the production of western material is rapidly stopped. Russia really needs not to addopt this drone at this point. Technologically is so poor and cheap as is evident. The Russian systems inside are of higher value.

I prefer term "Russian assembled". Its Russian built as much as Fiat is Serbian built.

Built and Assembled are very similar... I have a friend who builds engines... he does not make any of the parts himself and nor did he design the engines he builds... he is basically just assembling them.

Look, look, look at this high tech landing gear. How would Russia build something like that without the technological help of Israel. How can Russia do something more than assembly it...

Al-Qaeda & friends (Jaysh al-Nasr) claim to have downed an Su-25 near Saraqib:

https://twitter.com/op_shield/status/959799216582381568

https://twitter.com/op_shield/status/959803005859180544

Crash site of the downed Su-25: https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/959807906374963200

Rebels claim they have captured the Russian pilot

Pilot is dead i will not post that photo.

Царство небесное парню.

Video of plane

https://m.vk.com/video-149898754_456240185?list=club149898754%2Fpl_-149898754_-2

Video of jihadis and the crashed plane.

RIP pilot.

Lucky shot I guess since the Su-25 is supposed to be able to handle a manpad hit.

Apparently there is now excessive activity of Russian airforce bombing the area, and claims Turkey tried to rescue the Russian pilot.

Now all Russian jets are flying higher altitude since the Su-25 was flying very low.

IR/IIR are still a major threat since majority of jets lack the UV sensors needed to auto detect the missiles.

^^
They were lucky. First RuAF plane to be shot down by "rebels" in Syria.


The missile damaged the engine forcing the pilot to eject.


I remember this one in Georgia, survived similar accident.

There was damage to tail I imagine since it went into a tail spin. Those terrorist fucks got lucky in their shot. While majority of planes doesn't have sensors to pick up IR/IIR missiles, he should have been despencing Flair's before engagement. He didn't expect them to have manpads.

Yes, first jet lost in shoot down by terrorists.

Apparently cruise missiles are being launched from Med sea to Idlib and from Caspian sea. Looks like Kalibr is getting awoken again to rain hell on those terrorists.

kvs wrote:Russia needs to slaughter thousands of jihadis to send them the message.   They will feel it even if they dream of
f*cking 72 virgin goats in the afterlife.  

I am a bit suspicious about the timing.   There appear to have been Turk attempts to grab SAA held territory and the Turks
have shot down a Russian jet already.  

Why would the Turks provide manpads while they're part of Astana, and have an ongoing operation on Afrin with Russian covert support?

Makes absolutely no sense. They're not the U.S wherein Russia has to take it up the ass. Russia can inflict pain to Turkey. Thus, the origin of the attack becomes more clear. There could also still be the possibility these MANPADs got there a long time ago and now they were used....but in terms of probability it ranks lower.

BTW, this is either an intelligence fuck up (i.e some intelligence agency (CIA or whomever) performed a successful OP without Russian knowledge) or incompetence of the Russian commanders in Syria deciding to send Su-25's to areas known to have rebels with MANPADs -- that's just baiting a shoot down.

kvs wrote:Russia needs to slaughter thousands of jihadis to send them the message.   They will feel it even if they dream of
f*cking 72 virgin goats in the afterlife.  

I am a bit suspicious about the timing.   There appear to have been Turk attempts to grab SAA held territory and the Turks
have shot down a Russian jet already.  

RIP to the pilot.

I don't think that Turkey would do something like this, they already are having a tough time against the Kurds and there are reports that the Turks tried to rescue the Russian pilot.

In Idlib, the the Russian Air Force should only use advance d fighters like the SU 30 or the SU 34 because the terrorists have MANPADS, the Syrian Air force has no business being there, just be on the safe side.

kvs wrote:I am a bit suspicious about the timing. There appear to have been Turk attempts to grab SAA held territory and the Turks
have shot down a Russian jet already.

It is logical.

eehnie wrote:

kvs wrote:I am a bit suspicious about the timing. There appear to have been Turk attempts to grab SAA held territory and the Turks
have shot down a Russian jet already.

It is logical.

There are good chances that this MANPAD came from the Kurds(the Kurds received a lot of the from the US.) The Kurds maybe mad at Russia for not helping them and they maybe did this through the terrorists(will they are all terrorists.)

eehnie wrote:

kvs wrote:I am a bit suspicious about the timing. There appear to have been Turk attempts to grab SAA held territory and the Turks
have shot down a Russian jet already.

It is logical.

par far wrote:

kvs wrote:Russia needs to slaughter thousands of jihadis to send them the message.   They will feel it even if they dream of
f*cking 72 virgin goats in the afterlife.  

I am a bit suspicious about the timing.   There appear to have been Turk attempts to grab SAA held territory and the Turks
have shot down a Russian jet already.  

RIP to the pilot.

I don't think that Turkey would do something like this, they already are having a tough time against the Kurds and there are reports that the Turks tried to rescue the Russian pilot.

In Idlib, the the Russian Air Force should only use advance d fighters like the SU 30 or the SU 34 because the terrorists have MANPADS, the Syrian Air force has no business being there, just be on the safe side.

How did know the Turks it was a pilot to be rescued?

About the MANPADS, every aircraft can avoid the MANPADS by altitude. Even the L-39. The case of the helicopters is different, it depends of the model.

eehnie wrote:

kvs wrote:I am a bit suspicious about the timing. There appear to have been Turk attempts to grab SAA held territory and the Turks
have shot down a Russian jet already.

It is logical.

To quote from one of you, just made elsewhere on the other Syria thread, with a slight word change "Indeed, a circle jerk club of crypto Russia bigots infesting this board. I guess they fancy themselves as spies and manipulators."

eehnie wrote:

par far wrote:

kvs wrote:Russia needs to slaughter thousands of jihadis to send them the message.   They will feel it even if they dream of
f*cking 72 virgin goats in the afterlife.  

I am a bit suspicious about the timing.   There appear to have been Turk attempts to grab SAA held territory and the Turks
have shot down a Russian jet already.  

RIP to the pilot.

I don't think that Turkey would do something like this, they already are having a tough time against the Kurds and there are reports that the Turks tried to rescue the Russian pilot.

In Idlib, the the Russian Air Force should only use advance d fighters like the SU 30 or the SU 34 because the terrorists have MANPADS, the Syrian Air force has no business being there, just be on the safe side.

How did know the Turks it was a pilot to be rescued?

About the MANPADS, every aircraft can avoid the MANPADS by altitude. Even the L-39. The case of the helicopters is different, it depends of the model.

Unless you dispense flares, bomb, and fly out - you are open Target and easy takedown by manpads if you loitered the area. Unfortunately this looks like what happened. You can't detect incoming IR/IIR missiles unless you have a camera that picks up the incoming object or UV sensors. Neither which exists on current used jets.

Flying higher than manpad allows in engagement is only other tactic used.

Sad events that could been avoided if fly either higher or used flares and no loitering. Cost the pilot his life too.

Good thing is the Russians are flattening the area.

RIP the pilot, if he had to die at least it seems he may well have avoided the real risk of torture.

It seems to me from this, as well as other recent videos, that the RuAF seem to have been flying their Su-25s pretty low and not using flares. Maybe they have not read the risk of AA guns or missiles properly and have been overconfident. We will probably see a reduced use of rockets and more Su-34 in particular sorties.

Putin the "Great" was in Moscow celebrating the "success " of Syria campaign just days ago. This is what i call
idiocy ,of celebrating when is too early and their base far from safe,being bombed by Alqaeda . He with the military
did a lot in Syria to save it ,from being totally over run.. so credit for that.. but.. to celebrate like bush did..
with "mission accomplished" when US-Turkey still have a strong force of terrorist in IDLIB northern Syria too ,
and another terrorist zone in Southern Syria ,makes him looks like an an idiot. Specially when he was smiling so much
for their "victory" in Syria . He only ,when discussing the results of the "end of the campaign". He saved Syria from being
completely over run and earned a lot of time with diplomacy ,so the credit taken.. but the war is far from over..
Because there are big buffer zones in Syria ,that NATO and Israel can still use to restart in full scale the war. All that will take for that is a new administration to take place in US. that will not be happy with just some zones captured in Syria
and will seek its total destruction .

i hope the Russian President realize that he have helped the terrorist in IDLIB morale with this new major
mistake that follows the attack on Russian base and the killing of yet more Russian soldiers.. and the
security of their troops is now in a major risk than ever.and it will only get worse if doesn't get things
done.