Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

PapaDragon wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Have been checking news about Syria ,in alternative websites....

There's your problem  

Vann7 wrote:....
and there are reports from people that claims ,that israeli news channels on internet are saying American and British special forces are trapped in Idlib .....

Just like they were trapped in Aleppo, Darra, Ghuta and every single other place in Syria?

Vann7 wrote:....
We are in September 9 .. just 2 days for September 11 . the day Bush Attacked its own country in
a major false flag incident. .......

I noticed this part purely by accident but oh boy this is some Inception level stuff....

The "alternative website" and the "reports of people saying that israeli news are saying that little green people are saying that little red communist from mars are saying ..." are epic

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#Russia|n Air Force's Su-24/34 bombers which were busy with bombing #AlQaeda affiliated #HTS & Ahrar al-Sham moderate terrorist groups in #Idlib within past few days are now busy with bombing #ISIL none-moderate terror group near Al-Tanf in support of #Syria|n Army

Is it real that they started bombing US guyz ?

There is way too much Fake News in this thread.

Holy shit!

A Russian military Il-20 aircraft with 14 service members on board went off the radars during an attack by four Israeli jets on Syria’s Latakia province, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

Air traffic controllers at the Khmeimim Air Base “lost contact” with the aircraft on Wednesday evening, during the attack of Israeli F-16 fighters on Latakia, said the MOD.

Russian radars also registered the launch of missiles from a French frigate in the Mediterranean on the evening of September 17.

A search and rescue mission is underway.

https://www.rt.com/news/438673-russian-il20-disappears-radars/

JohninMK wrote:Holy shit!

A Russian military Il-20 aircraft with 14 service members on board went off the radars during an attack by four Israeli jets on Syria’s Latakia province, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

Air traffic controllers at the Khmeimim Air Base “lost contact” with the aircraft on Wednesday evening, during the attack of Israeli F-16 fighters on Latakia, said the MOD.

Russian radars also registered the launch of missiles from a French frigate in the Mediterranean on the evening of September 17.

A search and rescue mission is underway.

https://www.rt.com/news/438673-russian-il20-disappears-radars/

ffs....if aggression involved, i hope the Russians punish but as i have just written on the Syrian thread, if israel is involved, i cannot see any military response at all.

The whole thing was a surprise and I'm very curious about the whole event.

How were Israeli planes flying (low or high?) And why were they not engaged? Or we're they and S-400 failed? Or was it that S-400 didn't engage cause it was busy fighting cruise missiles? Or was it used at all?

So much lost information. But regardless, doesn't put Russian air defense system S-400 into good light at all. In end, Almaz Antey may be useless and Russia's only ad system worth a damn is the Pantsir.

miketheterrible wrote:The whole thing was a surprise and I'm very curious about the whole event.

How were Israeli planes flying (low or high?) And why were they not engaged? Or we're they and S-400 failed? Or was it that S-400 didn't engage cause it was busy fighting cruise missiles? Or was it used at all?

So much lost information. But regardless, doesn't put Russian air defense system S-400 into good light at all. In end, Almaz Antey may be useless and Russia's only ad system worth a damn is the Pantsir.

I don't agree, we don't have enough information to say this.

We do. We now know Israeli jets operated rather close and within Syrian airspace.

So it gives indication that either they deliberately didn't target Israeli jets or are incapable of shooting them down.  Who wouldn't strike at the launch platforms? So Russia aims more at the missiles than the jets? Even if they are threatened? No.

Those F-16's would have been in the line of sight if they operated in Med sea.

There is a possibility though they were flying off the cost of Lebanon and low altitude. But then it doesn't make sense that it was 35km from Syrian cost.

So Russia is more or less admitting their S-400's are useless.

Or possibility Russia didn't use their AD at all. We're was the Russian airforce? We're planes in the sky during the attack?

I smell too much bullshit over this. I think Russia was caught with it's pants down

Old pattern keeps repeating itself. Russia gets humiliated by its Western "partners" and Russia does nothing in retaliation.

Russian servicemen are being used as sacrificial lambs in Syria. The West has a free reign to kill Russian servicemen.

Russia has shown that there is no Red Line so watch for these attacks against Russia to get bigger and more serious.

I predict that within a year the Crimean bridge will be blown up by a NATO ship stationed in the Black Sea. And will the Red Line be crossed then? No. Russia will not retaliate in any kind.

miketheterrible wrote:We do. We now know Israeli jets operated rather close and within Syrian airspace.

So it gives indication that either they deliberately didn't target Israeli jets or are incapable of shooting them down.  Who wouldn't strike at the launch platforms?  So Russia aims more at the missiles than the jets? Even if they are threatened? No.

Those F-16's would have been in the line of sight if they operated in Med sea.

There is a possibility though they were flying off the cost of Lebanon and low altitude. But then it doesn't make sense that it was 35km from Syrian cost.

So Russia is more or less admitting their S-400's are useless.

Or possibility Russia didn't use their AD at all. We're was the Russian airforce? We're planes in the sky during the attack?

I smell too much bullshit over this. I think Russia was caught with it's pants down

If I had to guess, I don’t think that Russian AD were used at all, hopefully more information comes out.

Paul Craig Roberts has been writing for years that lack of reaction will get Russia into serious trouble.

I don't know what the Kremlin thinks Russia will win with this incredibly passive and conciliatory policy.

par far wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:We do. We now know Israeli jets operated rather close and within Syrian airspace.

So it gives indication that either they deliberately didn't target Israeli jets or are incapable of shooting them down.  Who wouldn't strike at the launch platforms?  So Russia aims more at the missiles than the jets? Even if they are threatened? No.

Those F-16's would have been in the line of sight if they operated in Med sea.

There is a possibility though they were flying off the cost of Lebanon and low altitude. But then it doesn't make sense that it was 35km from Syrian cost.

So Russia is more or less admitting their S-400's are useless.

Or possibility Russia didn't use their AD at all. We're was the Russian airforce? We're planes in the sky during the attack?

I smell too much bullshit over this. I think Russia was caught with it's pants down

If I had to guess, I don’t think that Russian AD were used at all, hopefully more information comes out.

And why do you think that is?

An enemy aircraft shoots down a Russian jet within the range of Russian AD and the Russian AD remains silent. Why? Why is Russian AD even present in Syria? What tasks does it have?

miketheterrible wrote:The whole thing was a surprise and I'm very curious about the whole event.

How were Israeli planes flying (low or high?) And why were they not engaged? Or we're they and S-400 failed? Or was it that S-400 didn't engage cause it was busy fighting cruise missiles? Or was it used at all?

So much lost information. But regardless, doesn't put Russian air defense system S-400 into good light at all. In end, Almaz Antey may be useless and Russia's only ad system worth a damn is the Pantsir.

They have two stationary system. They all know where they are. Just look at pictures of syrian coast it is full of mountains so many dead zones that you can't cover with two systems.

Israeli were detected since russian MoD said there were 4 f-16. They probably launched them from low altitude.

The russian plane was 35 km from the coast. This the range of s-125. Probably those stupid syrian servicemen. They proved to be stupid when they reloaded a pantsir in the middle of an airport being attacked...

If it is israel, load all the tupolevs with kh-101 and some kalibr on the ships and iskander and coordinate with iran an attack to destroy their air force. They have 250 fighters bring 400 cruise missile and 400 rockets from hazbollah and 200 from iran.

16 tu-160 x 12 = 192 kh-101. 63 tu-22M3 x 2kh-22 = 126 missiles. 60 tu-95 x 8 kh-101 = 480.

That means they can send a max 798 missiles plus a douzen of kalibr and some iskander and older syrian ballistical missiles. Plus the su-34 can make some SEAD to strike the air defences on the north and su-35/30 can destroy their fighters in the air.

A big strike is what israel needs.

Arrow wrote:

 Putin, a coward will do it.

There is not only Putin.

But I think the most proabable scenario is syrian shooting it down. But then it was on purpose because on radars there is a difference between such plane and a missile.

Hard to say who shot it down if it was Isreal, then it was an accident on their part. It's possible they fired the missiles from the jets and by chance the kets acquired the plane due to the heat from the engines and merely auto-targeted instead.

Same is possible for the SAA. Their AD is old, it could have easily went from a missile to the plane. What could have very well happened is they fired more then 1 one missies at an Isreal Missile, the first missile hits, the 2nd one lost it's target and is then auto finding a new target, IFF codes do not prevent missiles from obtaining you has a target by default programming. Then by the time the moronic syrians air operators realized it, they couldn't do anything.

Isreal had no need to shoot down the airplane, Russia has shown it will not react when they bomb syria so there was no reason for it.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Hard to say who shot it down if it was Isreal, then it was an accident on their part. It's possible they fired the missiles from the jets and by chance the kets acquired the plane due to the heat from the engines and merely auto-targeted instead.

Same is possible for the SAA. Their AD is old, it could have easily went from a missile to the plane. What could have very well happened is they fired more then 1 one missies at an Isreal Missile, the first missile hits, the 2nd one lost it's target and is then auto finding a new target, IFF codes do not prevent missiles from obtaining you has a target by default programming. Then by the time the moronic syrians air operators realized it, they couldn't do anything.

Isreal had no need to shoot down the airplane, Russia has shown it will not react when they bomb syria so there was no reason for it.

Syrians don't have missiles that can guide themselves. It was a human act or mistake.

Israeli could have if the il-20 was buzzing them with its electronics.

French denied but it could have been them too. I wonder what russian navy is doing.

Isos wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Hard to say who shot it down if it was Isreal, then it was an accident on their part. It's possible they fired the missiles from the jets and by chance the kets acquired the plane due to the heat from the engines and merely auto-targeted instead.

Same is possible for the SAA. Their AD is old, it could have easily went from a missile to the plane. What could have very well happened is they fired more then 1 one missies at an Isreal Missile, the first missile hits, the 2nd one lost it's target and is then auto finding a new target, IFF codes do not prevent missiles from obtaining you has a target by default programming. Then by the time the moronic syrians air operators realized it, they couldn't do anything.

Isreal had no need to shoot down the airplane, Russia has shown it will not react when they bomb syria so there was no reason for it.

Syrians don't have missiles that can guide themselves. It was a human act or mistake.

Israeli could have if the il-20 was buzzing them with its electronics.

French denied but it could have been them too. I wonder what russian navy is doing.

Not fully but they can do a degree its limited sure.

Still unlikely they would even in that case.

Perhaps the French could have done it by mistake, either way I will agree unless this was friendly fire or the plane had a mechanical issue which hey happens with the Ruskies.

But if it was on purpose Putin must respond in some way but will he? doubt it.

But if it was on purpose Putin must respond in some way but will he? doubt it.

At some point, its generals won't listen to him anymore. If it was a syrian guy Assad will destroy him. If it was a french ship they will destroy it ( they probably follow it and will stop it before it goes too far to wait for conclusion). If it was israeli I don't know what could be russian reaction.

There is also the last scenario. They flow the plane very hard very fast to get where the missile were and they had a technical issue.

We're was Russian airforce in all this?

According to MoD, they we're warned by Israel 1 minute before attack. So why not send Su-35's to escort the Il-20 back?

We're was Russian AD?

Yes, mountainous. Very little details to whole event. But Russia is looking very stupid and weak right now. They will not respond.

Even runet is running jokes how the spokeswoman will have a dance, Lavrov will show concern and Putin will show a cartoon.

Even Russians are not falling for this and this will have great reprecussions at home, especially for United Russia party, who already lost more regions to LDPR and Communist party.

We're was Russian airforce in all this?

According to MoD, they we're warned by Israel 1 minute before attack. So why not send Su-35's to escort the Il-20 back?

There is your answer. Israel isn't fighting russian. Why send fighters everytime they attack iran ?  Why don't iran bring those mighty f-5 and its own air defence systems.

Isos wrote:

We're was Russian airforce in all this?

According to MoD, they we're warned by Israel 1 minute before attack. So why not send Su-35's to escort the Il-20 back?

There is your answer. Israel isn't fighting russian. Why send fighters everytime they attack iran ?  Why don't iran bring those mighty f-5 and its own air defence systems.

SU-35's would not have been able to sortie and reach it in such a small time, there was little russian AD could do.

According to whats being said the Isreal pilot put the aircraft between him and the missile last second at that point the isreal jets would have bugged out of the area.

Putin must respond to. Bombing the airfield the planes sortied from would be extreme, if I was him I'd wait for the Isreali's to attack again and have a kill order ready to go.

Agreed Seig.