Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #13

Anyway relations with Israel aren't particularly valuable for Russia.

Well for as long as they are going to be supporting terrorists what would be the point of good relations.

The amusing thing would be if they broadcast to the world that they are going to deploy nuclear weapons to Syria as a stabilising measure against US nukes in Turkey and Israeli nukes in Israel... imagine the reaction... it would be very entertaining.

But then when you listen to the juice bleat on about their right to defend themselves from foreign terrorists when they fund terrorists trying to overthrow Syria... and are happy to murder anyone they see as being in their way... including US sailors of course... makes you wonder why they think we should care...

The amusing thing would be if they broadcast to the world that they are going to deploy nuclear weapons to Syria as a stabilising measure against US nukes in Turkey and Israeli nukes in Israel... imagine the reaction... it would be very entertaining.

They r not in the entertaining business: nukes in Crimea/Armenia & on VMF ships/subs in the Med. Sea would take care of nukes in Turkey & Israel.

Isos wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:

Iskander has already been spotted the first year of their intervention in Syria. Rumors says it was even used (probably tested with or two live fire).

ur sources?

IMO it is deployed with tactical nuks to prevent any stupid act from nearby air forces.

FYI, the US has nukes in Turkey.
Russia can always use her Tu-95/160s & naval Calibers, if it ever comes to that.

There were satelitte pictures of a launcher in hmeimim. You will find them in this thread I think. It was few years ago.

Iskander nuks will need 1-2 minutes to hit israel or turkey. Tu-95 and kalibr from the caspian or mediteranean 2-3 h and we don't know if those kalibr in kilo subs patroling in med. are nuks armed.

Iskander-Ms are valuable for pre-emptive strikes against silos, command centres, etc...

But you have better options w/o the escelatory factor that Iskanders will bring. Kilo subs and corvettes in the Meditteranean armed with Zikrons, MiG-31Ks with Kinzhal missiles patrolling over the Caspian and extending into Syrian airspace. Even Kalibrs will get there quick; Russian subs can get within Israeli or Turkish territorial waters and their missiles can reach their targers within a couple of minutes and with great accuracy. Once again the Bastion-P can also attack ground targets and it's not far from Israel.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

The amusing thing would be if they broadcast to the world that they are going to deploy nuclear weapons to Syria as a stabilising measure against US nukes in Turkey and Israeli nukes in Israel... imagine the reaction... it would be very entertaining.

They r not in the entertaining business: nukes in Crimea/Armenia & on VMF ships/subs in the Med. Sea would take care of nukes in Turkey & Israel.

Exactly. Russia does not need to send any messages. That it has nukes capable of reaching any point in the world, without needing to be deployed to Syria first - is known to everybody.

Russia, if it would want to pile up the pressure, is better served with first-strike non-nuclear weapons against others' nuclear capabilities

more news that shows ,the escalation of tensions between Israel and Russia..

https://sputniknews.com/military/201911161077325523-patriot-missile-systems-disguised-as-russias-s-400-used-in-israeli-air-force-drills--report/

Israel is now sending messages to Russia ,that will be ready to target their S-400s in Syria..
and now changing the looks of patriots to those of S-400s. Thats the only purpose they could be
doing that.. because neither Syria or IRAN or anyone in middle east have them.. Only Russia..
and they have two zones in Syria they deployed .. one inside the Russian military base and other
outside..

So this in combination with the news that US military is relocating their decision centers in Qatar..
in combination with Israeli media saying Russian submarines were detected very deep inside
Israel coast.. in combination with the Israeli airforce bombing raid ,near Russia embassy .in combination
with Defense minister of Russia in Egypt , for a weapons deal to provide Egypt modern air defenses..
Suggest that relations between Israel and Russia are on the brink of a military confrontation .
This could show Israel is truly desperate to try more force against Russia..and now is seeking
to kill Russian soldiers operating S-400s.. because i don't think Israel will ever dare to attack Turkey..
Erdogan will not have the same tolerance that Putin shows for Israel aggressions.. and so it is
Israel military sending Russia a message that they are preparing to strike Russia S-400s..

and so it is Israel military sending Russia a message that they are preparing to strike Russia S-400s..

and face retaliation.
I don't think the Israelí AD can deal with Granits & Calibres from Oscars/SSKs/FFGs in the Med. Sea.

Not to mention if they fail and the surviving S-400 battery closes Israeli airspace by starting shooting down all Israeli military aircraft in the air until Israel surrenders.

GarryB wrote:Not to mention if they fail and the surviving S-400 battery closes Israeli airspace by starting shooting down all Israeli military aircraft in the air until Israel surrenders.

Vann has it slightly wrong. There are 3 Russian systems in Syria. An S-400 at the airfield, a S-300 at the port and another S-400 up in the hills with a Syrian S-300 system beside it, presumably all interlinked.

Tsavo Lion wrote:

and so it is Israel military sending Russia a message that they are preparing to strike Russia S-400s..

and face retaliation.
I don't think the Israelí AD can deal with Granits & Calibres from Oscars/SSKs/FFGs in the Med. Sea.

it will be a matter of time..

Today is nov 17..  2019..
My bet is before the year ends.. 4 to 8 weeks they will try to strike Russia S-400..
outside Russian base.. to test how those defenses work and if hit them humiliate Russia..

For Russian enemies ,is crucial to get information how those S-400s works.. what they can do..
And so generals might be in the opinion ,that it will be worthy even to sacrifice damaging permanently
relations with Russia ,to the point of not return .. in change for understanding how to beat the air defenses.

Because Putin re-action vs Israel have been weak and predictable.. they are on the bet ,that
Russia military will not target israel and only could try to hit the planes doing the attack..
they will love to capture one S-400 missile and lure Russia into firing one over Israel too..
So hopefully Gasputin understand that by now ,what anyone can see from a mile and so many
discussing in social media.. that Israel is provoking Russia ,and sending provocative message that is preparing
to attack Russia S-400s and S-300s in Syria  . and that he needs to be prepared.. because he was being warned by Israel media and RT too..

So Russian airforce and warships will have to be very vigilant positioned in place to AMbush any Israel plane..
and  help provide backup for S-400s and S-300 security.

In my opinion will dangerous to fly S-400s missiles over Israel airspace.. because will fall on their hands..
Better will be if Russia shoot with his own airforce using cheap soviet era missiles or upgraded S-200s with anti jamming protection.  Russia also should consider plans to deploy S-400s in Egypt too... in Sinai part..
to encircle Israel airspace from all sides..  and also deploy radars aiming at israel from Egypt to fully
track every inch at any altitude of Israeli airforce.  helps to aid Russian missiles with guidance.

in the next 1 to 5 weeks will not be surprising we see the attack on Russia materialize.
They will do standoff attacks most likely..using major waves of missiles.. and small drones..
If S-400s are destroyed.. by Israel.. in next weeks ,this will finally put an end of the Hype of Russia air defenses
for once .. that have been going in this forum for years.. specially in the S-400 topic..

in all animations videos i see of NATO ,offensive vs Russia. In nearly all of them their tactics
are the same.. Firing from F-35 or F-16 a wave of hundreds or thousands of minidrones with decoys ,charging at S-400 to saturate its radars. and to clear the zone for their standoff missiles ,flying behind.

it was said before that Israel airforce use alot the shoot and run tactics from stand off and then fly
in Israel direction fast.. so that if the planes shutdown ,it will fall on their territory. Russia will need
strong electronic warfare also to block the Glide bombs with TV guidance. hopefully they will not sit
down in their hands and do something to protect Their air defenses. and military.

If Israel attacks russian airbase they are dead.

Russia will ally with Hezbollah + Iran + hamas + SAA to destroy their airfields (Israel has something like 10 major airbases).

Hezbollah has thousands of rockets. Iran also but with greater range placed in Syria and Yemen. Hamas has rockets but will act mainly for overwhelming israeli air defences. SAA has bastion P, Toshka (probably resupplied by russia the last years), bm-30 it also has air defences and some mig-29 for intercept ... Russia has s-400/300, pantsirs, tor and many advanced and linked radars. It has a decent number of sukhois. It has its subs and kalibr (Caspian and med) and strategic bombers that can carry all together huge amount of kh-101 missiles.

While the hezbollah, hamas, iran and SAA overwhelm their AD, russia will destroy high value military targets in a big attack. Israel has very limited capacities, they already have to move their air defence from nort to south if they have to face hamas instead of hezbollah which is a sign that they cannot fight on both front and cover their territory 24/7.

Their nuks work on arabs but certainly not against a country with topols and bulavas. They are also in danger if Iran or hezbollah hit their nuclear plants.

That's why Israel doesn't want to make Russians their enmies. If Russians start sending upgraded rockets, missiles ... to those groups, Israel is fucked.

Vann7 wrote:

more news that shows ,the escalation of tensions between Israel and Russia..

https://sputniknews.com/military/201911161077325523-patriot-missile-systems-disguised-as-russias-s-400-used-in-israeli-air-force-drills--report/

Israel is now sending messages to Russia ,that will be ready to target their S-400s in Syria..
and now changing the looks of patriots to those of S-400s.  Thats the only purpose they could be
doing that.. because neither Syria or IRAN or anyone in middle east have them.. Only Russia..
and they have two zones in Syria they deployed .. one inside the Russian military base and other
outside..

So this in  combination with the news that US military is relocating their decision centers in Qatar..
in combination with Israeli media saying Russian submarines were detected very deep inside
Israel coast.. in combination with the Israeli airforce bombing raid ,near Russia embassy .in combination
with Defense minister of Russia in Egypt , for a weapons deal to provide Egypt modern air defenses..
Suggest that relations between Israel and Russia are on the brink of a military confrontation .
This could show Israel is truly desperate to try more force against Russia..and now is seeking
to kill Russian soldiers operating S-400s.. because i don't think Israel will ever dare to attack Turkey..
Erdogan will not have the same tolerance that Putin shows for Israel aggressions.. and so it is
Israel military sending Russia a message that they are preparing to strike Russia S-400s..

Turkey. And soon other countries.

I won't be surprised if Israel-Russia relations are going in the shit now

But I doubt they are sending any sort of message other than about being prepared for all eventualities.
Which is annoying, but ultimately fine; it's any country's right.

Actually striking Russian S-400s though would be an incredibly bad idea and Israel simply won't take such a decision; because it knows it would mean their annihilation as a state. If S-400s light them up, they'll piss off and try to solve whatever problem another way.

Isos wrote:If Israel attacks russian airbase they are dead.

Russia will ally with Hezbollah + Iran + hamas + SAA to destroy their airfields (Israel has something like 10 major airbases).

Hezbollah has thousands of rockets. Iran also but with greater range placed in Syria and Yemen. Hamas has rockets but will act mainly for overwhelming israeli air defences. SAA has bastion P, Toshka (probably resupplied by russia the last years), bm-30 it also has air defences and some mig-29 for intercept ... Russia has s-400/300, pantsirs, tor and many advanced and linked radars. It has a decent number of sukhois. It has its subs and kalibr (Caspian and med) and strategic bombers that can carry all together huge amount of kh-101 missiles.

While the hezbollah, hamas, iran and SAA overwhelm their AD, russia will destroy high value military targets in a big attack. Israel has very limited capacities, they already have to move their air defence from nort to south if they have to face hamas instead of hezbollah which is a sign that they cannot fight on both front and cover their territory 24/7.

Their nuks work on arabs but certainly not against a country with topols and bulavas. They are also in danger if Iran or hezbollah hit their nuclear plants.

That's why Israel doesn't want to make Russians their enmies. If Russians start sending upgraded rockets, missiles ... to those groups, Israel is fucked.

If Israel attacks a Russian airbase, Russian subs and other assets will conduct operations against all their nuclear silos and nuclear-armed subs, first and foremost (and immediately).

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Vann7 wrote:

I won't be surprised if Israel-Russia relations are going in the shit now

But I doubt they are sending any sort of message other than about being prepared for all eventualities.
Which is annoying, but ultimately fine; it's any country's right.

Actually striking Russian S-400s though would be an incredibly bad idea and Israel simply won't take such a decision; because it knows it would mean their annihilation as a state.

Russia have S-400s inside their base AND Outside their base too..
So Israel don't need to target the ones in their base and minimize the level of their hostility ..
since Putin measure response based on level of aggression. Notice israel shot down one
Russian spy plane with a dozen of serviceman.. Syria denied shooting down the Russian spy plane..
when the news started.. So Russia military most likely was lying to try to avoid a war with israel..
That plane Russia lost most likely was shutdown with mini drones by israel airforce. or it could have been
even france, that Russian military fired an air to air missile for no reason.. when the plane crashed..
In any case ,the level of tensions between Russia military and Israel military was as if they
attacked the Russian spy plane with a missile.. and that it wasn't the story Russia claimed.
So they blamed Israel but not that it was intentionally.. but by "negligence" .
I don't think is possible to "hide" behind a spy plane landing.. when there was other 3 planes near not hidding.

In fact will not be surprising for me that Russia military have comunications with Syria S-200 operates
and tell them which targets to hit.. So the entire story had to be cover up.

If Israel attacks a Russian airbase, Russian subs and other assets will conduct operations against all their nuclear silos and nuclear-armed subs, first and foremost (and immediately).

There as S-400s and S-300s outside the base.. far from it..
So they don't need to attack any base.. only a mountain that Russia military deployed S-400.
that Russian serviceman operate.. So it will be the time of Truth.. IF Russia is attacked and Putin
do nothing as they did with the spy plane ,it will be a PR Disaster for Russia military and putin too..
and they will not stop with just one S-400 and will take down all air defenses operated by Russians..
Outside the base. It looks Israel have taken the decision already to attack Russian air defenses S-300
and S-400 operated by Russians.. and they are being warned already of that..

So Russia will have to retaliate ,regardless if the attack on their Military ,operating S-400s
or S-300s is successful or not. The removal of US command operations head quaters
in Qatar , is a clear sign Americans are expecting something really ugly will happen in near future..
like a war.. And the question is if this is connected either with IRAN only or with Israel media reports
that are clearly provocations against Russia ,that could only come from israel military.

So hopefully Russia military will be prepared not only to defend but to strike back at any attack of israel..
and if they limit to just shot down missiles ,it will only encourage israel to escalate even more.. Israelis will no
reason , with logic.. the only thing they respect is Force.. A soon Russia will have to choose whether or not
will use deadly force against Israel for the first time in the conflict. and that include hitting Israel air defenses
in Israel territory. or even bomb to hell those F-35 bases.. they will go on the run to US for help if attacked..
and they will be told ,you are on your own.. as happened during the Russian spy plane shotdown.

Vann7 wrote:Israel is now sending messages to Russia ,that will be ready to target their S-400s in Syria.

No, they're not.

Ignoring that little piece of fact...

Latakia and Tartus isn't protected by the S-400's, S-300V4's, Tor's and Pantsir's only. It's also got a detachment of around 5-6 ships and several Kilo-class submarines, a full Iskander battery and an air-wing consisting of at least 12-14x mix of Su-27's, 30's and 35's, 12-24x mix of Su-24's & 34's, at least two dozen helicopters and a full batter of P-800's. They've also got weird EW stuff there that'll probably irradiate F-15/16's pilots before they get close enough to press the 'launch' buttons. (mebbey, no one really knows)

Not to mention all the stuff that Syria's got.

Attacking a warehouse or two, which is at best protected by a few Pantsir's from behind the mountains is easy. Attacking a Russian base, which at minimum would require two dozen missiles to even have a chance of getting hits and then pretending you'll fly away from it without any substantial losses isn't. The ships alone would kill anything on the coast.

https://jamestown.org/program/kremlin-plans-for-long-term-zero-sum-game-in-global-standoff-with-washington/

It would be a tit-for tat!

Tsavo Lion wrote:https://jamestown.org/program/kremlin-plans-for-long-term-zero-sum-game-in-global-standoff-with-washington/

It would be a tit-for tat!

US forces retain a relatively small, but heavily armed contingent in Deir el-Zour province. Those US units are guarding local oilfields to prevent their falling back under the control of Islamic State radicals or of the al-Assad regime

Now they admit that it is only an illegal robbery...

Notice israel shot down one
Russian spy plane with a dozen of serviceman.. Syria denied shooting down the Russian spy plane..
when the news started.. So Russia military most likely was lying to try to avoid a war with israel..

The Russians clearly spelled out exactly what happened that day, they saw it all with their IADS, and admitted that what the Syrians needed to avoid a repeat in the future was to be part of that IADS and have one of their own.

The reaction to the Israelis shooting down a Russian plane would be totally different.

Russian S-400s are in a position to cover all of Israeli airspace without having to move, so if Israel did attack an S-400 battery that battery could engage any aircraft operating in Syria and over Israel... so all Israeli aircraft would be under threat of being shot down as soon as they take off... anywhere in Israel...

GarryB wrote:

Notice israel shot down one
Russian spy plane with a dozen of serviceman.. Syria denied shooting down the Russian spy plane..
when the news started.. So Russia military most likely was lying to try to avoid a war with israel..

Russian S-400s are in a position to cover all of Israeli airspace without having to move, so if Israel did attack an S-400 battery that battery could engage any aircraft operating in Syria and over Israel... so all Israeli aircraft would be under threat of being shot down as soon as they take off... anywhere in Israel...

You obviously don't understand the difference between having the capability to do something and actually
doing it.. It was you the one who argue with me  A LOT .. with Bullshit ,that Russia don't need this or that..
to defend itself because with their nuclear deterrence "nobody will dare ever to attack Russia" .  

and Israel can use its air defense to shut down those S-400 missiles. .DOH..  So using S-400s long range missiles over Israel airspace is not a good idea.. risk they being shot down , and captured and reverse engineered  when seeking to intercept israeli planes.. this is why Israel.. when they hit and RUN Syria.. they always try to fly over its own airspace.. when leaving.. because if the plane is shutdown it will fall in Israel territory  , not in Syrian one.

and Russia is lying about Syria shooting down their Spy plane.. the Syrian military denied that ....
withing minutes the intelligence plane of Russia was shot down.. like i said , Russia coordinates with Syrian
army all their positions . .so their planes are not shutdown.. what can of idiot military Russia is ,that you think will not consult with air defenses in the ground so their planes not shut down ?  the entire story was fake..
Putin lie at times , whenever he needs to cover his ass.. It was Putin
the one who told there was no Russian troops in Crimea.. and lied and lied all the time ,that the little
green men were their soldiers.. Later he retracted his bullshit ,when Crimea was captured..

Point is .. Putin can lie.. not usual..but he does it too at times. plain and simple.. he is not the saint you think he is..wake up dude. stop being naive for once.. he will lie as many times he needs ,if with that he can defend its interest.

So the cargo plane incident was a cover up... to hide the fact that israel shut it down.. This was likely done
to not be pushed into a war with Israel ,in a timing that was not of his choice..  keeping the option for war open
with Israel... only at his time.. not at Israel time..  So he did the right thing.. but he lie at times.. is not rare..
he do it from time to time to cover his ass...

To believe that the Russian command center in latakia did not have contact by radio with Syria air defenses
in the ground. is pure idiocy.. there should be there too Syrian generals too.. in Latakkia in Russian base informing directly them..  If Americans and Russia coordinates their flights. .to avoid air accidents.. between planes.. and so none of their planes shutdown.. explain for what reason ,the Russian military will not want to coordinate too with Syrian army operating S-200 to avoid an accident ? or increase their posibilities
to hit Israel planes ??

There is a proxy war in Syria ,of israel against Russia military.. and they use the excuse of "hezbolah" or
"Iranian fighters" transfering missiles in Damascus ,to their attacks.. And Putin pretends.. that there is cooperation ,behave as is Business as usual.. and this is why Israel does the attacks they do.. because
Putin have chosen for fear of a direct war ,weakness .. and sacrifice Syrian army lives and even risk their
'own soldiers lives too ,for allowing israel planes to get away with Syria bombings.

No sense the entire Story of one israeli plane "hiding behind a spy plane"  ,this was PR material for the masses
and fools.. but it was an attack on Russia.. and the fact that Russia actions and behavior was that it was Israel to blame for the death of its soldiers.. signals that it was not an accident but intentional.. and this was the very same Russian animations ,who exposed this.. that israel wanted the Russian plane down..and still Russia did.. NOTHING..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Will that mean that in the future ,they will continue forever that allowing that to happen ?   i don't think so..
i think Israel was given an ultimatum that any other plane attack against Russia by israel airforce ,that Russia will strike at israel in a painful way..   and if the story of Russia submarine is true... being told by israeli media
of being very close to israel coast.. it will mean.. there is a real tensions and provocations now happening
from both sides.. and it will be a matter of time will go out of control. and a direct military comfronation happen.
between Russia and israel.. .  

The point in all this argument.. is to explain you , that Nuclear weapons are not enough as you
blatantly falsely claimed..  reality is Russia can be attacked regardless if they have nukes or not.. So Nukes
will not shield Russia from an attack on its military. with conventional weapons .  a strong leadership is also need.. nukes will only be effective.. if the nation who have them use them.. or show no fear to fight back their adversaries when attacked with conventional weapons.. to send a message.. something like what IRAN did.. Shot down the American very expensive Drone.. without a warning.. as soon invade their airspace.. and no longer US airforce fly over IRAN airspace. now they keep distance of IRAN..  Because contrary to Putin ,IRAN did not show weakness ,when US provoked them into a fight.  

speaking ABout Israel aggression and disrespect to Russia..
a new attack  happened today..



https://www.rt.com/news/473844-damascus-hostile-targets-attack/


For the record.. i don't think  Israel have a chance in a million ,to defeat Russia in a full scale war..
Russia have the capability to completely crush Israel in a hypersonic nuclear attack.. without even they having a chance to fight back.. or know what hit them.. If israelis push too much ,i don't think Putin tolerance
will be infinite and wil fight back. And even israel completely crushed.. if Russia see their nation security
is in a major risk.. but israelies takes advantage of Putin weakness and insecurity to attack Syria and get
away with it.

There r reports about Russian Su-34/5s chasing away Israeli fighters over Lebanon:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-jets-reportedly-intercept-israeli-planes-over-lebanon/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-su-35-jets-allegedly-prevented-israeli-airstrikes-on-syria/

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/report-russian-su-35s-allegedly-forced-israeli-aircraft-out-syrian-airspace-76891

Before that, 2 VMF Kilo SSKs prevented the RN SSN from launching its CMs against Syria.

Tsavo Lion wrote:There r  reports about Russian Su-34/5s chasing away Israeli fighters over Lebanon:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-jets-reportedly-intercept-israeli-planes-over-lebanon/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-su-35-jets-allegedly-prevented-israeli-airstrikes-on-syria/

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/report-russian-su-35s-allegedly-forced-israeli-aircraft-out-syrian-airspace-76891

Before that, 2 VMF Kilo SSKs prevented the RN SSN from launching its CMs against Syria.

Didnt do a very good job then

Reports of multiple SAA casualties, many A2A missile batteries targeted, $1 billion worth of equipment destroyed or damaged
Also a missile seemed to fail (or perhaps it was an A2A missile) and a family was killed in Damascus when it struck an appartment building

Preliminary reports all, mind you

Check the dates of the articles it was some months ago not yesterday.

You obviously don't understand the difference between having the capability to do something and actually
doing it..

Vann... you do realise we are talking about grown ups... Israel is not going to just out of the blue attack a Russian S-400 battery in Syria for no reason at all... because the consequence of attacking Russian forces in Syria is the risk that those Russian forces will directly strike back at Israel to defend themselves.

An Israeli attack on the Russian S-400 makes Israeli military aircraft a threat, so if they get attacked any Israeli military aircraft in the vicinity becomes fair game, and indeed with all the stand off weapons they can carry that means any Israeli aircraft the S-400 can reach... and considering they can reach out over Israeli air space that means pretty much all of them.

The Israelis practising against Patriot missiles made to look like S-400s is NORMAL... what do you think they should be practising against?

If that meant they were planning to attack Russian forces then let them try... I could practise all day trying to get passed a Patriot battery... dressing it up like an S-400 battery doesn't make it one... subsonic drones and cruise missiles easily penetrated airspace criss crossed with dozens of Patriot batteries in Saudi Arabia... they didn't notice a single threat... do you think practising against such a system will help them at all to be successful?

It might build their confidence, but if you can't beat the real thing then it is empty confidence... like the British fighter pilots in WWII who were told Japanese fighters were made of rice paper and couldn't fight in the rain... boy were they shocked at the actual performance of those planes and pilots.

It was you the one who argue with me A LOT ..

I would not call it arguing... I would describe it as disagreements.

to defend itself because with their nuclear deterrence "nobody will dare ever to attack Russia" .

Well that is just a lie. Georgia and the Ukraine would be happy to attack Russia... Tskinvali for one and the odd loose shell landing in Russian territory near the Ukraine border for another... the point is that spending trillions of dollars so they can invade NATO and take Europe is pointless and self defeating... making 20,000 MBTs costs a lot of money and even more so to store and maintain let alone keep manned... money better spent on other more useful things, like bridges and high speed trains and new airfields and train lines to the far north and far east.

All the aggressive talk about Russia... you don't see Britain or the US trying to attack Russian bases in Syria at all... directly... they are happy to equip proxy forces with drones and sending them to their deaths.

Russia is being much smarter than you give them credit for most of the time.

and Israel can use its air defense to shut down those S-400 missiles. .DOH..

Please.... those air defence systems can't even shoot down blood Grad rockets for fucks sake... how is it going to manage missiles travelling much much faster and not following a simple ballistic flight path?

this is why Israel.. when they hit and RUN Syria.. they always try to fly over its own airspace.. when leaving.. because if the plane is shutdown it will fall in Israel territory , not in Syrian one.

Bullshit. They launch attacks from Lebanese air space because they can hide amongst the mountains there for launching stand off weapons... they don't enter Syrian airspace any more... just not safe...

Putin lie at times , whenever he needs to cover his ass.. It was Putin
the one who told there was no Russian troops in Crimea.. Laughing and lied and lied all the time ,that the little
green men were their soldiers.. Later he retracted his bullshit ,when Crimea was captured..

What are you smoking. Russia leased the naval base at Sevastopol and actually had the right to have up to 25,000 troops there based on the agreement. They actually had about 20,000 which was well within the number they were allowed.

AFAIK Putin never denied Russian military forces in Crimea. What he denied was any Russian military forces in the Ukraine, which was true.

Point is .. Putin can lie.. not usual..but he does it too at times. plain and simple.. he is not the saint you think he is..wake up dude. stop being naive for once.. he will lie as many times he needs ,if with that he can defend its interest.

So he is a liar... it will be very easy for you to post examples then... if he lies all the time... when has he ever been caught in a lie... looking forward to seeing your list... will make interesting reading.

And I will make a list of western leaders lies... can we start with Iraqi WMDs, or Russian hackers, the white helmets,....

Reports of multiple SAA casualties, many A2A missile batteries targeted, $1 billion worth of equipment destroyed or damaged
Also a missile seemed to fail (or perhaps it was an A2A missile) and a family was killed in Damascus when it struck an appartment building

Preliminary reports all, mind you

They seem to have targeted iranian HQ. I wonder if they will answer with cruise missiles this time instead of rockets. Israel would struggle defending against cruise missiles fyling low and coming from Iraq, Yemen and Syria which proved to be very precise against saudi arabia. Russia could provide real time data with satelittes so they can destroy f35 and patriots on the ground. Would be big losses for Israel if it happen even if 2 or 3 were destroyed.

flamming_python wrote:Didnt do a very good job then

Reports of multiple SAA casualties, many A2A missile batteries targeted, $1 billion worth of equipment destroyed or damaged
Also a missile seemed to fail (or perhaps it was an A2A missile) and a family was killed in Damascus when it struck an appartment building

Preliminary reports all, mind you

Not a single hit was filmed on camera, except for SA-2 missile exploding as it failed to launch.

Everything else is simple rumors.

flamming_python wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:There r  reports about Russian Su-34/5s chasing away Israeli fighters over Lebanon:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-jets-reportedly-intercept-israeli-planes-over-lebanon/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-su-35-jets-allegedly-prevented-israeli-airstrikes-on-syria/

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/report-russian-su-35s-allegedly-forced-israeli-aircraft-out-syrian-airspace-76891

Before that, 2 VMF Kilo SSKs prevented the RN SSN from launching its CMs against Syria.

Didnt do a very good job then

Reports of multiple SAA casualties, many A2A missile batteries targeted, $1 billion worth of equipment destroyed or damaged
Also a missile seemed to fail (or perhaps it was an A2A missile) and a family was killed in Damascus when it struck an appartment building

Preliminary reports all, mind you

Except for not much Russia can do besides shooting down Israeli jets. If they launch their missiles before Russia engages them in Lebanon airspace, which Israel uses all the time, then little this can do.

and I can confirm SAA did not lose a "Billion" In hardware

[quote="Isos"]

They seem to have targeted iranian HQ.

And how an "iranian HQ" looks like.. to you.. to believe they hit one?  
I have seen no reports of any iranian anything being hit.. For me it looks more like
people put too much faith into Israel propaganda...  they always claim "is iran" the one they bombing.

Unless you have real confirmed reports on the ground ,from credible sources , you can't say ,
iranians were targeted at all..

Israel is only provoking Russia and for sure they have trying to hit the Air defenses of Syrian military too..
and storage depots of most valuable weapons...
Don't trust in pathological liars claims...  they claimed they were hitting iran..
reality is they hit civilians buildings.. according to Syrian media..

@garryb.. don't bother trying to convince me of anything..
You disqualify yourself long time ago ,when said nobody will dare to attack Russia you are always wrong dude..
and Russian base is being attacked all the time.. by Americans.. this is what the Russian defense ministry
have hinted many times.. with drones attacks , at the hand of Alnusra.. SHoigu even have said that
American Poseidon planes control directly the drones..  so whats your point?
You told nobody will dare to attack Russia.. because of its nuclear weapons.. but you are wrong kid.
Russia have been attacked many times by proxy , that US give weapons to rebels and they later attack Russia.
Including its military base...  and Turkey attacked Russia directly.. including Russian base.. . by proxy too..
and what happened? NOTHING!!!  Turkey backed rebels with artillery killed 1-2 Russian serviceman inside the base.. about 2 years ago..  this was shortly after a week after Putin visited the base.. clearly it was a message
to Putin.. a provocation..

Perhaps you forgot ,how even Ukraine army bombed Russia with artillery cross border killing civilians INSIDE RUSSIA TERRITORY.  and what Putin did ?  NOTHING..    so is embarrassing that you continue to hold in your claims that nobody will dare to attack Russia dude..    Russia is under attack since the Syrian conflict began  
and medvedev got many soldiers killed by Georgian puppet president of Bush...
so just quit already..  you are wrong..
Russia nuclear weapons is only a deterrence against other nations from using nukes against Russia.. because thats the limits Putin have chosen to have ,the rules of engagement when to use nukes..

If Turkey or Israel tomorrow bomb Russia base..directly or indirectly Putin will do the same thing he always does.. the same thing he did.. when the Russian spy plane was shutdown ,killing a dozen soldiers..

-he will lie of what really happened..
-will say it was a "terrible accident" first..
-later after he get all the details of the attack ,will claim a fantastic story ,(a fake story) as he did with the shoot down of the spy plane..(or Crimea green little man.. that he also lied)  that could allow Russia still to blame the aggressor but for an unintentional consequences. by a mistake , instead of an act of war.. that will force Russia to retaliate.  So allowing Russia the option to not retaliate.. if so Russia wants.

So do i think Russia is hopeless? and will never fight back an aggression ? absolutely not..
in fact.. i think some secret blows have been done already to US military.. for targeting Syrian army.
Russia lost an Ka-52 alligator between IRAQ and Syria border.. by an "Accident" ,a zone not far from US military positions.. and pilots not even ejected.. a week later US army reported of a lost an helicopter near that zone with all people inside killed.. from memory ,the biggest casualties of US military reported in one day in the entire Syrian war.. coincidence that it happened less than a week after the Ka-52 crash? don't think so.. have no proof but will not be surprising that Russia blow up that helicopter as pay back. During Soviet Union cold war era.. there was many of examples
of small undocumented battles ,between Russia and US during soviet era.. with Americans killed by Russian fire..
or the other way.. and never were published.. remained secret .. because both sides wanted it that way.. Russia under Putin policy is incredibly passive and very slow to respond to hostilities..
but they do respond .. from time to time.. and when they do it they stay quiet about it..dont say it to the media..
to give the other side the opportunity to choose if wants to scale the conflict or back down. in summary Russia nuclear weapons or military give no guarantees at all ,that enemies will not attack Russia. all that Russian
military and nukes can do ..is dissuade enemies from scale things too much.. to a point of no return.. as it could
be a nuclear attack or a major full scale raid on a Russian base.. by israel or NATO .. with many russians killed..
they will wave and dance in and out around Russia red lines ..and they do attack Russia ,but in a very limited way.. to not provoke a major response. and they can do this because of Putin insecurity and weakness.