Russian Space Program: News & Discussion #2

This is how you create LEADERSHIP..

https://www.rt.com/news/447988-china-moon-far-side-photo/


By being successful in things the world consider very advanced ,that the entire world like ,
in things that no one else can do , or very few ..



China landing in the dark side of the moon ,never done before. .and a Mars landing
planned by China for 2020 to 2023 and a human landing in Moon planned much earlier
than Russia .

This is the only way ,Russia can defeat the American hegemony and influence in the world..
by showing the world ,they dont need to follow United States.. that you have EVERYTHING and better
that what their business can do. Is not hosting olympics or wining sports medals or victory parades or wheat farming records , or investing a fortune in parks for tourism, how Russia will earn the level of respect it needs to win the west.. But with an economy focused in LEADING the west by achieving things no one else have done before that require a very advance level of scientific technological developments.  Leadership is the word ,that Putin don't understand well ,what it means..  Not being second or third or more , in the things that are more influential in the planet for societies ,that amaze everyone ,and they will like to do.. and that nobody else is doing at the time.

Russia can host a million of World Cups.. and win all the medals. .and become the capital of sports..
,something that Putin so proudly told the world ,he wanted Russia to lead.. but none of this will remove an inch of influence of American popular business. none of this will replace American internet ,Silicon Valley ,NASA etc.. None of what Russia achieved in SOchi or world cup 2018 ,gave Russia an Inch of Respect , from the west.
What CHina did ,in the moon ,this is how you only can defeat the American empire.. by defeating their most popular and influential business ,that all society like and no others or very few can do..

and one of the biggest dangers in all this.. is that this major developments in Science and Space will attract
a LOT of minds scientist and students world wide that will like to be part of this. If China do a manned landing ,it will be a major changing moment in the planet ,and world opinion about them.. no longer people will laugh at China and their outdated electronics and thats how they will earn Respect. .a Respect that Mr Putin is trying wrongly to earn through diplomacy ,through politeness ,soft talking ,and ridiculous absurd spending in promoting sports... It is science and technology education leadership what Putin needs to promote and not sports which is for people who are not fans of getting a strong education career ,hence why they try sports.. easy money ,for doing nothing meaningful longterm for the nation.

Vann7 wrote:This is how you create LEADERSHIP..

https://www.rt.com/news/447988-china-moon-far-side-photo/

By being successful in things the world consider very advanced ,that the entire world like ,
in things that no one else can do , or very few ..

https://cdni.rt.com/files/2019.01/m/5c2dd25cdda4c8fd098b465a.png
.....

Leadership?

Vann I can guarantee you that people around the world give just as few sh*ts about China now as they did yesterday

And not only around the world but also in China itself:

China’s unprecedented landing of a spacecraft on the far side of the moon wasn’t even one of the top four stories on China’s most-watched TV news show. The muted reaction was a sign that the novelty of the country’s space missions has faded.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/03/world/asia/china-change-4-moon.html?

Vann7 wrote:
China landing in the dark side of the moon ,never done before...

Never been done at all nor it could be done ever, if you bothered to read something that is not flat-earther pamphlet you would know that there is no such thing as "dark side of the moon"




Now since we are done with this off-topic crap let's go back to something relevant:

Russia continues work on plasma engine for superfast space travel

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Russian_Physicists_Come_Closer_to_Plasma_Engine_for_Superfast_Space_Travel_999.html

Big_Gazza wrote:Chang'e 4 lands on the moons far side, so A.Zak the Atlantacist soy-boy 5th columnist Cuck-in-Chief declares the following on his twatter page:

China just landed #ChangE4 probe on the Far Side of the Moon... but #Roscosmos still continues descent into the Sea of Disfunction

What a total cnt...  There is something seriously wrong with this guy  

Why are you angry at him for?

He is a patriot who lives in Pennsylvania and serves his country. Nothing wrong with that.

Blame Roskosmos and Trampoline moron in charge for giving Zak his meal ticket by being too stupid to hire a PR guy with internet access.

Big_Gazza wrote:.... Even if Roscosmos hosted a 1st class site does anyone think Zak would desist with his BS?

He wouldn't but at least then people would have alternative and accurate source of information

Until then for majority of audience whatever Zak says is fact

Russia and China are developing a program of long-term cooperation in the field of rocket production - Rogozin

01/03/2019 6:10:14 PM

Moscow. January 3 INTERFAX-AVN - Russia and China are discussing the possibilities of cooperation in the study of deep space, are developing a program of long-term cooperation in rocket production and the creation of satellites, said the head of the Roscosmos state corporation Dmitry Rogozin.

“We are developing a program of long-term cooperation in the field of rocket production, rocket engine building, navigation and satellite building, with Chinese colleagues who have seriously advanced into space in recent years,” wrote D. Rogozin on Twitter on Thursday.

“We are also discussing opportunities for cooperation in deep space,” the head of Roscosmos noted.
On his page on the social network, D. Rogozin posted congratulations to his Chinese colleagues on the first soft landing of a space probe on the reverse side of the moon in the history of mankind. Earlier it was reported that on Thursday the Chinese space probe Chang'e-4 successfully sat on the far side of the moon, becoming the first spacecraft to make a soft landing on the side of the moon that is not visible from Earth.

The CNSA China National Space Administration reported that Chang'e-4, which consists of a landing module and a lunar rover, was landed on the far side of the moon at 10:26 am Beijing time (5:26 Moscow time). It is noted that the probe has already transmitted an image from the surface of the moon. In the picture, published by CNSA, you can see a small crater and the surface, which is illuminated by the light from the device.

http://militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=499065

PapaDragon wrote:Russia continues work on plasma engine for superfast space travel

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Russian_Physicists_Come_Closer_to_Plasma_Engine_for_Superfast_Space_Travel_999.html

Isn't this just another ION thruster?
Like VASIMR.

Disappointing

AlfaT8 wrote:Isn't this just another ION thruster?
Like VASIMR.

Disappointing  

and how many nuclear powered vasimirs are flying so far in deep space?

@Papa - Rogozin at work

Source: 45 Roscosmos rocket launches in 2019

MOSCOW, January 5. / TASS /. The missiles manufactured by Roscosmos enterprises are planned to be launched 45 times in 2019, twice as many as in 2018. This was reported by TASS on Saturday a source in the rocket and space industry.

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"The missiles manufactured by the state corporation, in accordance with the schedule, will be launched 45 times this year. This number includes both launches of space rockets and test launches of ballistic [rockets]," the agency’s source said. He clarified that "out of 45 launches, 32 launching of space rockets with various spacecraft and spacecraft is planned."

The source added that the training launches of the Ministry of Defense of ballistic missiles from submarines are not counted.

As the head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said at the end of 2018, the state corporation performed 22 launches of various missiles last year, although it was officially known about 20 launches. Then the state corporation noted that Roscosmos enterprises produce "not only those products that are in the statistics." A TASS source in the military-industrial complex explained that when publishing data on the number of launches, Rogozin counted the statistics of the state corporation on the launches of the Sarmat and Yars ballistic missiles, as these missiles are assembled at the corporation’s enterprises.

As previously reported, in 2019 a whole series of launches of spacecraft from Baikonur, launches of military satellites from Plesetsk, one launch from the East, several launches of Proton missiles, including the new module of the ISS, the second launch of the heavy Angara, flight missile tests "Sarmat", other launches.

https://tass.ru/kosmos/5976347

GunshipDemocracy wrote:@Papa - Rogozin at work...

No, this is Rogozin at work

Soyuz Spacecraft Assembly to Be Fully Monitored by Video Cameras - Source

https://sputniknews.com/science/201901111071382994-russia-soyuz-assembly-monitoring/


So all this time these morons were letting their underpaid gophers run around with power-tools unsupervised? Wasn't this one of those things that this much celebrated Trampoline Man was supposed to rectify?

And to say nothing of the fact that clown who drilled the hole in the first place is still running loose.

No wonder NASA is running for the exit. Politics aside it's a logical and sensible thing to do, no point throwing your own men's lives at the altar of idiocy




In another news, all Russian lunar missions down to the last are postponed (yet again) for couple of years:

https://ria.ru/20190110/1549177567.html


Combined with that MS-21 import composite fiasco, Russian aerospace sector is definitely shining this week

But all hail his genius majesty The Trampoline Man

PapaDragon wrote:
So all this time these morons were letting their underpaid gophers run around with power-tools unsupervised? Wasn't this one of those things that this much celebrated Trampoline Man was supposed to rectify?

It was loooong before Rogozin came. He was sent to clean mess.

PapsD wrote:
Combined with that MS-21 import composite fiasco, Russian aerospace sector is definitely shining this week

So far fiasco is in same newspapers, which claimed that scabbard cannot fly because  of us composites. Nothing happened. I'd wait till facts appear. Do you think there was no contingency planning?



That's Rogozin at work

[h3]Source: Roscosmos and RSC Energia began to develop the concept of the Soyuz lunar spacecraft

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The first working meeting on this topic was held on January 10, the agency interlocutor clarified
MOSCOW, January 11. / TASS /. Specialists of the Roscosmos State Corporation and the Rocket and Space Corporation (RSC) Energia began developing the concept of a new transport system for manned flights to the Moon’s orbit using the special version of the Soyuz MS spacecraft. The first working meeting on this topic was held on January 10, a source in the rocket and space industry told TASS on Friday.

"The development of the concept of the transport system began with the use of the Union of MS option for flights to the orbit of a natural satellite of the Earth, the first working meeting of the designers of Energia and Roscosmos on this topic took place on Thursday," the agency’s source said.

He noted that "such a scheme of the flight of the new" Union "is preliminarily considered, at which it will launch to the Moon from the ISS [International Space Station] orbit". “The flight module of the new system will consist of a special version of the Soyuz spacecraft and the upper stage, which will be delivered to the ISS by two launches of Soyuz 2.1a launch vehicles. said the source.

The interlocutor of the agency did not specify what changes will be made to the design of the Soyuz spacecraft for flights to the Moon, as well as other technical specifications of the transport system, noting that "it’s too early to talk about such details."

The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said on Thursday in the air of Russia-24 that NASA is asking the Russian state corporation to develop a version of the Soyuz spacecraft for flights to the moon in order to create a second backup space transportation system. The US plans to implement a program with the international participation of Deep Space Gateaway to create a permanent near-moon station, to which ships from the Earth will regularly depart. In an interview with TASS, Rogozin stated earlier that Russia would participate in this program only on a parity basis.

Also in the Russian Federation, its own lunar program is being developed, which at the first stage involves sending automatic missions to a natural satellite, then flying the moon on a manned spacecraft and, in the long term, landing astronauts on the planet and then creating a lunar base.

Changes were made to the news (01:42 Moscow time) - contains additional information after the third paragraph

https://tass.ru/kosmos/5987733

Rogozin considers funding Roscosmos insufficient

The head of the state corporation noted that NASA gets 20 times more funds for its activities
MOSCOW, January 10. / TASS /. The head of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, called for increased funding for the state corporation.


“However, there is another very important question. I want to remind you that today the financing of Roskosmos is 20 times less than that of NASA, and they demand from us roughly the same thing that they require with NASA. In fact, we must understand that today space activity - this is a showcase of the country's technological capabilities and it must be properly financed. Then there will be a return, "said Rogozin on the Russia-24 TV channel .
According to him, a lot of people came to the industry, including young people who are willing to work, ready to recreate the greatness of Russian leadership in space.

“One way or another, we believe that classy specialists should sometimes get more than management , so wages are my number one headache, I’m doing it. We will try to devote the whole 2019 to this topic in order to recreate for young people coming to the industry , not only an interesting job, but also a decent wage, "added the head of Roskosmos.

Rogozin also said that the state corporation intends to return Russia to leading positions in space.

“For us today, the main task, and we will write it out clearly in the new strategy that we will adopt this year, is to return Russia’s leadership in space. Not less, not more,” he said, adding that “lack of faith in yourself” The state corporation does not have this issue.

Rogozin stressed that the "cosmos is out of politics" formula is no longer working in the modern world. "There is such a beautiful-minded phrase, sometimes it works, but more often it does not work. Space is the quintessence of the politician. Space is a demonstration of a country's technological power, the possibilities of what it can do," said the head of the state corporation.

https://tass.ru/kosmos/5985154

https://www.rt.com/russia/448249-russia-telescope-moon-space/?fbclid=IwAR32J5bWRa_NKzH9IrGOmhP82IQqa54iXF4ClcGk0do9PwrWhUCjxlOLRPE

Russia plans to send largest radio telescope beyond moon in 2020s

Russia is designing the largest-ever radio telescope, seeking to put it into space beyond the orbit of the moon. The probe, expected to be completed by mid-2020s, will be able to provide the most detailed pictures of the universe.

The telescope will be put into the so-called halo orbit – the complex three-dimensional orbit beyond Earth’s natural satellite. The Millimetron (Spektr-M) is expected to boast significantly larger capabilities than its predecessor, the RadioAstron telescope, which was launched into space back in 2011 in cooperation between Russia and foreign space-exploring agencies.

Rogozin interview:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
So all this time these morons were letting their underpaid gophers run around with power-tools unsupervised? Wasn't this one of those things that this much celebrated Trampoline Man was supposed to rectify?

It was loooong before Rogozin came. He was sent to clean mess...

So when is he planning to start? Once ISS suffers explosive decompression?

Are we waiting for single or double digit bodycount before loudmouth goon does something?

higurashihougi wrote:https://www.rt.com/russia/448249-russia-telescope-moon-space/?fbclid=IwAR32J5bWRa_NKzH9IrGOmhP82IQqa54iXF4ClcGk0do9PwrWhUCjxlOLRPE

Russia plans to send largest radio telescope beyond moon in 2020s....

Not happening.

Delayed due to embezzlement. Another thing Trampoline Man was supposed to "fix".

Care to guess if it will be fixed? Or if that albatross is ever getting not the ground? Didn't think so...

‘Russian Hubble’ observatory project bogged in embezzlement probe – report

https://www.rt.com/russia/448486-space-telescope-embezzlement-probe/

PapaDragon wrote:So when is he planning to start? Once ISS suffers explosive decompression?

Are we waiting for single or double digit bodycount before loudmouth goon does something?

You're such a drama queen. He is only 6 months officialy?  alredy many heads w chopped replaced, projects started. Mind that Roscosmos is like 250,000 people.

You'd follow each and every prob on his place?

PapsqD wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:Russia plans to send largest radio telescope beyond moon in 2020s....

Not happening. Delayed due to embezzlement. Another thing Trampoline Man was supposed to "fix".
Care to guess if it will be fixed? Or if that albatross is ever getting not the ground? Didn't think so...

of course, you can believe in whatever you please, but chronology is slightly different: once Rogozin came such things started surfacing.  BTW  $425k vs. $30m is like 14%?  so why is not happening to you?

Big_Gazza wrote:

Get serious...  the amount of money is pretty negligible and won't affect the project, but it is fecking annoying that these idiots in state-owned industries still think they can divert public funds into their own pockets in this way.  Throw them in jail and toss away the key.

That's happening when you close gulag punishment

And with the fake news being spread, I think some people here need to back track in their claims about the poor news in the aerospace industry. Cause the bad news was fake news.

miketheterrible wrote:And with the fake news being spread, I think some people here need to back track in their claims about the poor news in the aerospace industry. Cause the bad news was fake news.

Sure. Backtracked.

So now that it's done does it fix Trampoline Man's fuc*ups, morons drilling holes in spacecraft, constant delays of everything, failure to supervise craft assembly or neverending embezzlement of funds?

PapaDragon wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:And with the fake news being spread, I think some people here need to back track in their claims about the poor news in the aerospace industry.  Cause the bad news was fake news.

Sure. Backtracked.

So now that it's done does it fix Trampoline Man's fuc*ups, morons drilling holes in spacecraft, constant delays of everything, failure to supervise craft assembly or neverending embezzlement of funds?

Embezzlement of exactly how much?

It just means more heads need to roll. He fired many managers already. Possibly more need to be fired. Doing so may force remaining managers to clean their acts. Who knows. Prior to Rogozin, they were syphoning way more. WAY more.

But yeah, he is easy target to hate. Guess cause he does have a big mouth and then something happens under his supervision.

But, one incident at a time.