Russian Nuclear Submarine Force: Discussion

Hole wrote:This would be unbelievable even if all the systems of the P-8 would work. According to a report from last year only the optics work as they should and I doubt that the corrupt system in Amiland is capable to fix all problems in just a year.

Exactly.

As said by Papa, this smells as a method to obtain more funding to buy more stuff.

It was always known that you do not have all your submarines float all near each other. Which makes the P-3 Orion comment a joke in itself. Borei's are not floating all together holding hands in harmony march. It travels on its own.

Then there were the articles how Russian submarines ended up near Mexico waters without being detected.

Then there is fact that both Il-38N and P-3 modernized would work in detecting submarines. That is their job. Hence why they have to fly in pre-determined routes. So in other words, they take guesses as to where the subs may be. But when an exercise happens, both sides announce it because that is international standards....

A lot of flaws and just guess work in such article makes it a joke. Borei II is being built and built in numbers. 14 total borei's will exist while Delta IV's will still be active for lot longer. Because in the end, even if they stay hidden or even found, they can launch their payloads within seconds and would end up reaching their intended target - if sunken or not.

But he seems to think this Orion is the end all be all. No, it isn't, nor did it detect 10 submarines in the same area all at once.

The claim is not that the Orion did the detection but that the Orion went straight to where the subs were in sequence -> some other sensor/s provided the coordinates.

GUGI is laying seafloor sensors Garmoniya in the Barents sea, so it will be increasingly difficult for the US subs to sail there undetected.

Also a new generation of special purpose subs & 'hydrographic research ships' coming online, it may help yes but it could be a war of attrition who can find & disable/bug whose sensors quickest.

I know it is to expensive to refit them, but they would be great carriers for Poseidons/UUV´s.

Hole wrote:I know it is to expensive to refit them, but they would be great carriers for Poseidons/UUV´s.

[img]https://i.servimg.com/u/f10/19/89/13/22/022310.jpg

Poseidon?

You could shoot Akula SSNs out of these monsters

PapaDragon wrote:

Hole wrote:I know it is to expensive to refit them, but they would be great carriers for Poseidons/UUV´s.

[img]https://i.servimg.com/u/f10/19/89/13/22/022310.jpg

Poseidon?

You could shoot Akula SSNs out of these monsters  

And then

An Akula firing an Akula. That would be sodomy!

Guys, is there any info at all about new nuclear submarines being laid down or ordered?

Anything at all?

SSN, SSGN, SSBN... doesn't matter which.

Are there news, indications, mulls, contemplations, rumors, assumptions, anything?

PapaDragon wrote:


Guys, is there any info at all about new nuclear submarines being laid down or ordered?

Anything at all?

SSN, SSGN, SSBN... doesn't matter which.

Are there news, indications, mulls, contemplations, rumors, assumptions, anything?

Just ask Ehniee

Christmas is coming soon, Santa's shipyard should be making liders, shtorms and yassens like pancakes

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:.....

Just ask Ehniee
.......

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes I guess....

George1 wrote:....
the only nuclear submarines that can be laid down/ordered are Yasens since all ordered Borei IIs (5) have been laid down. The rest 6 Borei IIs planned will be constructed after 2023

and for Yasens we dont know if there is intention for further orders due to their high cost

So Borei production line is full? Can't complain about that...

As for Yasens, they can order one or two more can they? Is it too much to ask?

Just ask Ehniee lol1

There's 5 Yasens & 4 Borei-A in construction already, seems sensible to concentrate on getting more of them finished to me?

There is the order for more Borei-A but otherwise next should be Husky which is a few years away from laying down.
An 8th Yasen would even out the numbers but I think its odd due to Kursk leaving an odd number of Oscars.

As for Yasens, they can order one or two more can they? Is it too much to ask?

Yasen orders depend on husky. If they are really working on this new class, yasen may be stoped. But we don't know much about. They also have new SSK designs but ordered impr. Kilos instead. So we can't tell.

What we can be sure about is that yasen can't replace all their SSN so they will have to come up with a cheaper sub.

Moreover the number of VLS on yasen is big. 40 per ship would mean 400 missiles for 10 yasen. That's huge. For exemple US navy has a stock of 2000 or 3000 tomahawks. With all the uksk on their ships too, they won't be able to fill all of them.

There is the order for more Borei-A but otherwise next should be Husky which is a few years away from laying down.
An 8th Yasen would even out the numbers but I think its odd due to Kursk leaving an odd number of Oscars.

As SSGN, they will have 7 yasen and 9 oscar which means 16 subs. But I don't think it matters at all to have odd or even numbers. PF abd NF have not the same issues so they will split them by the contexte of each region.

Ooh someone at Balancer is probably gonna get pissed that their Yasen line drawing got referenced as coming from here rather than there

Am surprised to see Yasen shorter than Virginia, I had the impression its quite a lot bigger than Virginias.

Edit: for the record that Yasen line drawing is almost certainly from igorkot thread http://forums.airbase.ru/2016/07/t93169--chertezhi-podvodnykh-lodok-proekta-885.html

George1 wrote:SSN/SSGN in service/repair/removed as of now

It seems that only 1 Akula-class is in service

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/navy_korabel/63221775/71814/71814_original.jpg

Yeah, it's been that way for a while now

https://mobile.twitter.com/RSS_40/status/1076957809265311744


Ka-56 “Osa” (WASP) a helicopter designed “Kamov” bureau in 1975 for 671 RTM (Vctor-III) multirole nuclear sub. The sub could shoot the hel ???? through 533 mm torpedo tube. M~220 kg, payload~110 kg, V~110 km/h, H~1700 m & combat radius~120 km

For special forces. Divers would bring it to some beach and then put it together.

GarryB wrote:Sounds like they still use 650mm torpedoes...

Why not ? They are monsters. Kill any ship with one hit.

Ka-56 “Osa” (WASP) a helicopter designed “Kamov” bureau in 1975 for 671 RTM (Vctor-III) multirole nuclear sub.

Wow! I think I recall a big hype being made about possibly making something like that for Seawolf class a while back, had no idea Soviets had one all the way back in the '70s