Common give me a break... you claim 189 F-22 is not enough for Americans..
but is far better than the ZERO!!!! stealth planes that Russia have in service.
But the Americans need their stealth aircraft... when they invade or intimidate or attack a country it is their leading fighters they tend to prefer to use and they try to use them rather regularly.
Russia doesn't really need Stealth fighters at all except to undermine the potential effect US stealth fighters would have against european Russia.
To be honest, an Su-35 with new missiles would probably hold its own against F-22s for the hour or two needed to start launching missiles and then it will all be over anyway.
I support Russia military and hope they do
great.. but to mock the few hundreds of stealth planes Americans have..
while Russia have NONE.. No Is not a serious argument. you are simply no different
that F-16 net trolls.. if you consider US airforce with 189 f-22 "not enough" versus
what Russia have..zero now and 65 in 10 years..
Where does Russia need Stealth fighters?
It really doesn't.
But with the proliferation of S-300s and S-400s and Su-35s the US would probably struggle to invade India or Iran let alone China or Russia... the US needs rather more stealth fighters than it has except the ones it is currently producing are flawed and are not worth the enormous cost, but they are making them anyway... not realising they are digging their own grave.
So lets see F-22 189 is not enough now , but 65 Su-57 in 2028 is good enough ?
You are not asking the right question.... why does the US need any? Why does Russia need any?
The US needs them for use against any country with a semi decent air defence network including S-300 or S-400 missile systems or Su-30 or Su-35 type fighters... and the number of countries in that group are expanding all the time... as I mentioned even with F-35s Israel wont enter Syrian airspace... is that because they are sticking to their agreements? Bullshit. they don't know what sticking to agreements even means. They stay out of Syrian airspace and launch mass attacks from long range in the hope that one or two weapons might slip through and they can claim they dominate Syrian airspace... PATHETIC.
If Russia needs to use its 76 Su-57s to fend off NATOs 3,000 F-35s then they really don't need any because those airbases will flash with the light of sunlight within minutes.
Progress is nice and stealth is like wearing camouflage, which is also good, but what American is trying to sell us is the emperor with no clothes... stealth is not everything, which is what they are selling it as.
and Russia only have a ~100 Su-35's still outgunned by US f-22s..
The vast majority of US F-22s will remain in US airspace to try to shoot down the cruise missiles the Bears and Blackjacks will be delivering their way, Su-35s won't even being in the same airspace, except in places like Syria where the US has sent their planes for fun and games.
And about 200 very old migs-29 and similar number in su-27 /30 that will be no match
for F-22. or F-35.
Most of the fighting will take place in Russian airspace in which it will be S-300 and S-350 and S-400 and soon S-500 taking out all those F-35s and any F-22s they might send to Europe (but wont because any not in the US will be immediately sent home to stop incoming cruise missiles).
End of story US airforce is far stronger and superior than what Russia have..
No it isn't... Russian Army air defences would probably nullify the US Air Force on their own... the US AF has poor performance against motivated well trained enemies... look at Kosovo... if they had the modern weapons the Russians had at the time the US AF would have been obliterated even without an air force.
The US AF is both an air force and an air defence force... most of the time we see her in all her glory they really don't have much of an opposing enemy air force to fight and once they had cleaned them up it was all attack... against Russia or China it will struggle to balance both jobs which will likely leave friendly ground forces exposed and vulnerable because the US Army is not used to defending itself from enemy air power.
Those F-22 and F-35 will be snipping from distance ,see fist and hit first.. Russia airforce is the weakest part of Russia military ,,but at least Putin have very nice Olympic stadiums.. for football..
IF the Russian air force is fighting the US air force within minutes IRBMs and IRCMs will be obliterating NATO airfields with nuclear explosions... and those F-22s even if they were present in Europe will be firing AMRAAMs and Sidewinders against aircraft with proper ESM systems that would render those missiles bloody useless... which will mean it will come down to a gun fight... and how do you rate MiG-29s and Su-27s and Su-30s and Su-35s vs F-22s and F-35s in a gun fight?
, In the future 5-10 years they have plans for 65.. stealth planes,still behind those 189.. in short Russia airforce will be in a major disadvantage vs US airforce in the middle of pacific for example.. it will be one side battle in US airforce favor.. Su-57 could end being better than F-22.. but numbers that Russia plans to have up to 2028 ,are too few --> 65, and i don't see how 65 are better than 189 f-22s + 300 F-35. by 2028 US have plans to build twice the number they have now.. So those 65 Su-57 sukhois plane will be facing more than 600+ stealth planes.. a total rape in the ass.
Not when you consider their air bases will be glowing before they even take off.
Only a fucking idiot would think it would be a good idea to spend billions over the next decade to build stealth fighters for WWIII when the money has already been spent to build nuclear weapons that already solve the problem.
Russia doesn't need more territory... its goals during WWIII will be survival and self defence from threatening neighbours... the solution is not stealth fighters because if Russia beat NATO by having 3,000 Su-57s then NATO would just launch nuclear weapons at Russia to defend itself.
It makes rather more sense for Russia to build a few stealth fighters and export quite a few more and build tactical nuclear weapons of intermediate range (thanks trump).
Only chance Russia airforce can compete is in a preventive surprise attack .. and sink US aircraft carriers.. so they can't deploy their planes fast enough , and perhaps hit F-22s bases with hypersonic missiles ,before they take off.. but in a more or less fair fight ,it will be a one side battle in US airforce favor.
Only an idiot would fight fair, and nuking NATO bases would be step one, any aircraft that get in to the air are probably in S-400 range so shoot them down.
I don't think that 100 would be enough, because it's the platform of the future and if older aircraft are phased out, you need Su-57. Around 250 Su-57 should serve RuAF well.
The thing is that the Su-35 and MiG-35 are very capable modern aircraft in their own right and together with Su-57 would actually be rather formidable.
They are not as stealthy as the F-35 claims to be but 9 weapon pylons and about 14 weapon pylons makes a huge difference in terms of what you can do... and more importantly with very long range AAMs they can take down NATOs eyes by taking on their AWACS aircraft and their inflight refuelling aircraft to greatly shorten their legs too.
Killing Russians in the Baltic???
The Ukrainian government already burned down buildings with pro Russians inside and shot anyone who tried to save themselves from the flames... If Latvia or Lithuania or Estonia want to murder their own civilians... whether they speak Russian or not... Russia is unlikely to invade or attack.
Around 250 Su-57 and 80 Mig-31 (soon Mig-41) would be perfect enough. The S-500, S-400 and Mig-31 would kill high value targets like AWACS, satellites and tanker. All other AD-systems and Mig-31 could handle a massive cruise missile attack. The Su-57 then could go hunting F-35 and F-22 with transferred data of the IADS and the kill ratio would be very high for Su-57. All the advantages, the Muricans are praising in endless prayer loops, of "stealth" would fall into the hands of Su-57! All the fancy stuff Murica is so proud of wouldn't work in a conflict with Russia...stealth, GPS, cyberwarfare etc...
The west has two types of modern fighter aircraft... fourth gen fighters which are all legacy fighters designed to gain and hold air superiority, and 5th gen fighters which are really designed to dominate countries with 4th and 3rd generation fighter aircraft.
The Russians have two types of modern fighter, they have the 4th gen fighters but those fighters are optimised to deal with 4th and 5th gen fighters, while their 5th gen fighters are also optimised for hunting down stealth fighters as well as previous generation fighters too.
MiG-29SMT and MiG-35 and Su-30 and Su-35 will probably be more valuable than MiG-31 in a fight against NATO fighters than you give them credit for... and will make the Su-57 more capable and more effective with their support, than would a few hundred more Su-57s offer.
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Is not a serious argument. you are simply no different
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