Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

they probably exhaust above the waterline, perhaps some work needs to be done to ensure the exhaust is mixed with water so the soot does not fly

Pavlovsk has been laid down.



https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/2020729624-SdTvC.html

Don't think I have ever seen a clean burning diesel engine...

Finally some good clear shots of Odintsovo with the Pantsir-M
As ever pics via Balancer forum

What type are chaff launchers aft?

hoom wrote:Finally some good clear shots of Odintsovo with the Pantsir-M
As ever pics via Balancer forum

Well this should provide the ship with some decent air defence, good to see that they have not dropped the below dexk autoloader for the missiles.

What type are chaff launchers aft?

PK-10 I think...

http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/naval-systems/shipborne-weapons/pk-10/

Or it could be the PK-16 with the fairing removed...

Well this should provide the ship with some decent air defence

Literally 'without foreign analogues'.
32* proven 20km ranged SAMs explicitly designed for taking out inbound supersonic missiles & 8* either 2500km ranged cruise-missiles or supersonic anti-ship missiles.

Add to that they can mix in multi-purpose Sosna missiles for the Pantsir, expected future upgrades to 40km SAMs, smaller quad-pack anti-drone missiles & hypersonic Zirkon.

All on an offshore optimised 800ton hull.

Don´t forget the nice gun.

Hole wrote:Don´t forget the nice gun.

But does it have engine?

marat wrote:

Hole wrote:Don´t forget the nice gun.

But does it have engine?

Asking the right questions

The one with the Pantsir system above is clearly underway... so I would say yes.

GarryB wrote:The one with the Pantsir system above is clearly underway... so I would say yes.

Yes she has but what is situation with 3-4 others which were launched, will they be finished this year?

If they have not plans to continue to build them then it would make sense to make the ones they have into export designs and sell them to foreign customers who have not problems sourcing engine parts.

The fact that they are continuing to build them suggests they have plans regarding propulsion options...

There is definitely still major problems with engine production & no particular sign of improvement from what various Russian language sources have to say.

I can't believe the Chinese can't produce engines of this type. Just source them from China.

hoom wrote:There is definitely still major problems with engine production & no particular sign of improvement from what various Russian language sources have to say.

Careful your speaking against the narrative.

I can't believe the Chinese can't produce engines of this type. Just source them from China.

They already bought some from China to replace the German diesels, and they were terrible.

They broke down repeatedly... almost as if they were shoddy copies instead of licence produced.

Careful your speaking against the narrative.

Yeah, I might ban him for not being positive enough like the 20 times I have banned you for not being positive and pro Russia... today.

Things take time... there are very sensible and very real reasons why they used foreign engines in the first place, but because the Ukraine and the Germans are total and have let Russia down, Russia finds itself in the position of needing to develop its own alternative engines.

It never made them before because in the Soviet Union that was what the Ukraine did... it made marine engines.

Well now that the Ukraine has cut Russia off completely and Germany has done the same Russia is having to develop and build engines to replace the ones they can't get from the Ukraine and Germany.

They are not going to spend money and time just making the same engines... they need to build a new factory able to handle the job and to hopefully make other sized engines as well, but they will start by looking at the original design and then working out how to make it better... both making a better performing engine, but also making it quickly and cheaply from materials that are not expensive. Once they have that sorted out they need to thoroughly test the design and check it works and will work for a reasonable period of time without problems... in warm waters and in cold waters...

Once they have got viable engines they can start making them in volume and also offer to sell them to the Chinese too, and perhaps even the Germans.

There is no point in trying to sell to the Ukraine because they wont have any ships big enough to need them.

Even if the Ukraine or Germany said sorry... it was all a big misunderstanding why can't we just get along Russia should say thanks but no thanks... you did it once, you could do it any time in the future without warning... we don't trust you... you are not reliable... we can make these things ourselves and probably make a better product in the end.

It also means we can build up our military buy making a lot of these useful little ships without sending our money to a foreign countrys economy.

This is a very good thing even though it is annoying right at the moment... it is not just about buying engines it is about maintenance and support and spare parts... Germany and the Ukraine would likely demand payment in US dollars or perhaps Euros, so this means they can save money by not having to convert to foreign currencies for payment too...

Diesels this size are also often used as backup power supplies in large businesses too...

Arrow wrote:Will the Karakut be equipped with new 40 km range Pantsir missiles?

Considering, that naval Pantsir-M is equipped with engagement radar and EO complex from Pantsir-SM, than I would say yes.

Yes the mast is clearly 4* the Pantsir-S2 radar.
Supposedly 2* Pantsir-S2 can operate with their radars non-rotating at 90deg to each other with 360deg coverage.