Project 22800: "Karakurt" class missile ship

Off topic rant:

I had not realized how similar the radar in Pantsir is compared to the one at the mast of the Odintsovo:

I can only think this is a very smart way to bring very reasonable AD capacity at a reduced price to a 800 t vessel.

Sure, and a small corvette BTW... with more AShM punch than any Western ship

hoom wrote:I still prefer the idea of a dedicated AA version that skips the UKSK & even the 76mm to get a decent radar/cell-count combo.
Potentially could run 24 or 32* Redut cells & the AA bits of Zaslon radar system.
IMO 1 in a squadron with a couple of Pantsir-M boats would be more effective than equal number of boats with 8* Redut + weak radar each.

But probably better to spend the development time/$$$ on either fixing engine production or re-designing for an alternative powerplant so that they can pump out these Pantsir-M boats at the kind of pace/numbers they should be able to.

LMFS wrote:

The-thing-next-door wrote:That looks like the ideal missile corvette, will they make it?

I don't know but I think it is quite possible, it was shown to Putin January this year if I am not wrong...

PapaDragon wrote:

LMFS wrote:

The-thing-next-door wrote:That looks like the ideal missile corvette, will they make it?

I don't know but I think it is quite possible, it was shown to Putin January this year if I am not wrong...

They are wrapping up original order for 18 Karakurts so it could be possible

This version uses turbine instead of diesel so that's one argument in favor

SeigSoloyvov wrote:...Um the picture posted is a Karakut specialized for ASW work...it isn't a missile corvette.

They do plan to build these tho, A quote from the Russians themselves

“The available antisubmarine ships were built yet for the Soviet fleet. It is time for a replacement. Karakurt hull is a good option for a future warship. It has a low signature due to stealth technologies. The ship has modern combat controls, guidance provision and communications. It will not take long to remake the ships. Sonars and antisubmarine weapons, such as rocket-assisted bomb launchers and Paket-NK to fight submarines and torpedoes are likely to replace Kalibr missiles,”

LMFS wrote:The weapons onboard that newer version makes it per definition a multipurpose vessel...

Isos wrote:They already have light frigate/corvettes designs that are much better suited to carry the weapons showed on that taller karakurt. They have Steregoushchy design and they also have the Gepard that is a family of designs...

That's the antenna of the pantsir S2. Ground SM variant has a newer radar which should be better than this one. They seem to have kept the older one for the naval variant.

I still prefer the idea of a dedicated AA version that skips the UKSK & even the 76mm to get a decent radar/cell-count combo.

IMO 1 in a squadron with a couple of Pantsir-M boats would be more effective than equal number of boats with 8* Redut + weak radar each.

Thanks all for the black paint replies. Fascinating.

Redut with only 9m96 family is a failure. They use not even half of the internal space.

Certainly, for a small ship this makes full sense. With 9M96's ARH it would not even seriously limit the amount of targets simultaneously attacked. Also the newer hypersonic Pantsir missiles will help in that regard by reducing time to target.

Actually it's the opposite. They are making the new missile because they found out they have lot of space in redut cells.

At the begining redut was only for 9m96 family.

Hope for them they will find out that they could quad-pack 9m96 in them also. That would bring the max number on Gorshkov to 128 9m96 and 24 UKSK making it a destroyer of 135m

This version uses turbine instead of diesel so that's one argument in favor

They are building these for a specific role not multi-purpose.

This comes from the Russian themselves who said they are removing the Launchers to make room for Anti Submarine weaponry.

Helicopter pad and hangar can be removed for more room for weapons.

The big karakurt is heavy with more powerfull engines but still a small size which means less space for the crew and less efficiency at sea.

Russia has specific local areas that need to be kept clear of submarines for which they currently use Grisha-class ships that are approaching expiration date, it makes perfect sense to take standard Karakurt, add sonar package, install Paket in the back, load anti-sub missiles in those 8 UKSK cells and make them in bulk for this purpose

It is a Corvette essentially with four AESA radars... it should be the best most powerful thing in the world shouldn't it? Very Happy

The most recent articles mention 400km range missiles which must be S-400 missiles

Most of the time a helicopter pad and hangar are more use than a few extra weapons.